Will never be forgotten: 28th anniversary of longest siege in modern history

[vostok]

Thats the case for Turkish car manufacturers too yet its not enough to call them Turkish cars as long as the brand and engines belong to someone else which is also the case for Dacia.
Again, its not Romanian but Soviet, the Romanian space agency was founded in 1991.

I have never seen any Turkish cars but I see plenty of Dacia's. Despite it is in Renault alliance cars are designed and produced in Romania and are known as Romanian brand so as Skoda is known as Czechian brand. It is not the same as some company build some plant in other country to manufacture its cars.
Yes, the rocket was Soviet, but cosmonaut was Romanian. It still was great achievement for 1981. Not much European not to speaking world countries even after 40 years have their cosmonauts.

 

[xenon54 out]

The Dacia brand is Romanian.

Anyway....unlike any other empires, The Ottomans had no input on their lands they've ruled being an entirely extractive instution. If someone disputes this, they're disputing established history.

Ok, i go back to my first argument in which i said Balkan was and still is backward before you dragged the topic to your supposeldly cultural superiority, that was the case before Ottomans and still is after them, that is also a historical fact.

 

[Constantin84]

Ok, i go back to my first argument in which i said Balkan was and still is backward before you dragged the topic to your supposeldly cultural superiority, that was the case before Ottomans and still is after them, that is also a historical fact.

Backward how? There was war in ex Yugoslavia and that's about it.What do you understand by Backward? Not reaching Western standards of living? I never said one country is superior to which you became so sensitive.

 

[xenon54 out]

Backward how? There was war in ex Yugoslavia and that's about it.What do you understand by Backward? Not reaching Western standards of living? I never said one country is superior to which you became so sensitive.

You say Ottoman era will be remebered as the backward era in Balkan while the truth is it was always backwards even before Ottomans. Thats why it has halways gone back and forth between empires.

 

[Constantin84]

You say Ottoman era will be remebered as the backward era in Balkan while the truth is it was always backwards even before Ottomans. Thats why it has halways gone back and forth between empires.

It depends....it had its own political entities which at times were on par with their Western ones...the Byzantines,the several Bulgarian empires, the Serb kingdom...Romanian principalities emerged in the 14th century only to have the Ottomans at their gates immediately after ...long before that you had the Thracians, Macedonian and Greeks in the Balkans. Everything went back and forward between empires throughout time

 

[Baybars Han]

Turkey is not a top 5 power for several centuries. there was a reason Ottoman's were called sick man of Euorpe

Yes I know we are not since around 1750. Read my post carefully. That was coined in the 1800s in the last century of Ottomans.

 

[Elvin]

How did we go from talking about the Siege of Sarajevo to Cars, Furniture and D***K measuring between Turkey and Romania?

 

[Constantin84]

How did we go from talking about the Siege of Sarajevo to Cars, Furniture and D***K measuring between Turkey and Romania?

PDF does that to you. Apologies for my role in it.

 

[xenon54 out]

@Elvin @Damir877

 

[Safriz]

Sarayevo once was almost 100% Serbian city, now there are almost no Serbs there. But I hope times will change. Serbs were not the only guilty in those Civil War, but they were pointed guilty by the West. Time will tell the true history, not the BBC-history.
With all respect to the dead of all the Yugoslavian nations.

The Serbs Dehumanised Bosnians only based on their religion and then killed them in their thousands without remorse.

 

[Elvin]

The Serbs Dehumanised Bosnians only based on their religion and then killed them in their thousands without remorse.

Don't listen to @vostok, he has no idea what he is talking about. He is a troll spreading disinformation around. The thing he said about Sarajevo tells you everything you need to know about his views and lies.

 

[Elvin]

@Elvin @Damir877

Great synopsis of the history and events of Sarajevo. However, there are a couple of correction. 1) The Chetniks were not part of the Partisans, they were an exclusive group which we refer to as the Orthoox ISIS, they wore long beards and killed mainly women and children in WW2 and in the past Yugoslav wars. The partisans, however were multi-ethnic. Most of the victories they had were in Bosnia, which is one of the reasons why Josip Broz Tito granted Bosnians their republic back in the new socialist Yugoslavia. 2) East Sarajevo is literally one eastern outskirt of the city, and prior to the war, it was not even considered part of the city, but the Bosnian Serbs took that tiny area and stated it is "Eastern Sarajevo" after they couldn't take the actual city.

 

[xenon54 out]

Great synopsis of the history and events of Sarajevo. However, there are a couple of correction. 1) The Chetniks were not part of the Partisans, they were an exclusive group which we refer to as the Orthoox ISIS, they wore long beards and killed mainly women and children in WW2 and in the past Yugoslav wars. The partisans, however were multi-ethnic. Most of the victories they had were in Bosnia, which is one of the reasons why Josip Broz Tito granted Bosnians their republic back in the new socialist Yugoslavia. 2) East Sarajevo is literally one eastern outskirt of the city, and prior to the war, it was not even considered part of the city, but the Bosnian Serbs took that tiny area and stated it is "Eastern Sarajevo" after they couldn't take the actual city.

Interesting info, thx for sharing.

 

[vostok]

All of you understand well that Western media liying when they say something absolutely stupid about your own countries or about Saddam's nukes or Gaddafi mass murders etc. But you believe them 100% when the liying about civil war in Yugoslavia only because Bosnians are Muslims and Serbs are Christians. You prefer to live in Western matrix of lie - that is your choice. Then start to believe all they say, not selectively.

 

[xenon54 out]

All of you understand well that Western media liying when they say something absolutely stupid about your own countries or about Saddam's nukes or Gaddafi mass murders etc. But you believe them 100% when the liying about civil war in Yugoslavia only because Bosnians are Muslims and Serbs are Christians. You prefer to live in Western matrix of lie - that is your choice. Then start to believe all they say, not selectively.

You discredited your credibility by claiming sarajevo was a serbian city before which is a clear bullshit. You support the same narratives of the serbian war criminals who tried to justfy ethnic cleansing with false history and expect us to believe any of it?