Will never be forgotten: 28th anniversary of longest siege in modern history

[Ansu fati]

It’s no surprise to me when I saw who is defending genocide on muslims because his country has done and is doing genocide on muslims in syria right now

 

[Yankee-stani]

Serbs were guilty but it's quite unfortunate the Yugoslavia had to tear up in the fashion like it did all cause Russia,West wanted small fiefdoms as usual

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

You would be ignorant enough to twist this around, but Muslims who believe in the word of God won't forget what the Ottoman Turks did to the Orthodox Christians of the Balkans. Taking young Orthodox Christian boys away from their parents, forcing them to become Muslims and then forcing them to become soldiers for those self-infatuated sultans, was NOT part of Islam! You think the Balkans would've forgotten that? And what of the Albanians? Who supposedly are majority Muslim, support Israel who massacres Palestinian Muslims?

Spare me your concocted bull$hit, when blasted Saudis, Qataris, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis and Emiratis sheikhs were lining up to have white skinned Bosnians as their concubines. Where was their Islam then? And where is the Islam in Turkey, when the Balkan war was happening?

Time to criticize Khameini, man.

U Iranian?

Leave Muslims to Pakistanis and Turks.

 

[Nasr]

Time to criticize Khameini, man.

U Iranian?

Leave Muslims to Pakistanis and Turks.

You can live in your fantasy world, Islam is not the property of Pakistan or Turkey. For centuries, those who are deluded, have used Islam to legitimize themselves and commit heinous acts in its name. So spare me your garbage, Islam is with those who embrace the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.

 

[zectech]

War between brothers is an absolute disgrace. China and Taiwan need to pay attention. Southern Slavs had their independent country free from zionists, Hapsburgs, freemasons, and others who meddle in everybodys's affairs in the Balkans. It broke up because of Karol Wojtyla, CIA, Bush, and Reagan pressure to destroy the peaceful communists who rejected war and promoted reforms under Gorbachev.

Any weakness shown and they seek to destroy you.

Milošević was innitially anti-nationalistic, including anti-Serbian nationalist, He was as Yugoslavian as they come. And the rest is history.

For Russian members, behind putin and trump are the bushes and cia, among many others. And the Bushes looted Russia after the fall of communism. And the cover up was 9/11. Watch here...

Russia is being played with Putin, a pseudo-nationalist.

 

[Baybars Han]

You are a stupid disgusting vermin. Balkan Christians killed innocent Turks when they wore forced to go back to Turkey, while we defeated then in battles in history, massive difference.

You would be ignorant enough to twist this around, but Muslims who believe in the word of God won't forget what the Ottoman Turks did to the Orthodox Christians of the Balkans. Taking young Orthodox Christian boys away from their parents, forcing them to become Muslims and then forcing them to become soldiers for those self-infatuated sultans, was NOT part of Islam! You think the Balkans would've forgotten that? And what of the Albanians? Who supposedly are majority Muslim, support Israel who massacres Palestinian Muslims?

Spare me your concocted bull$hit, when blasted Saudis, Qataris, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis and Emiratis sheikhs were lining up to have white skinned Bosnians as their concubines. Where was their Islam then? And where is the Islam in Turkey, when the Balkan war was happening?

 

[Nasr]

You are a stupid disgusting vermin. Balkan Christians killed innocent Turks when they wore forced to go back to Turkey, while we defeated then in battles in history, massive difference.

And ottoman turks enslaved Christian boys, were snatched away from their families and forced to convert to Islam. No other Caliphate ever did that, other than ottoman turks. Not even did the Arabs do such a thing when the crusades were ongoing. This is not the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Alahi Salaat-u-Wassalam. You are no one tell Muslims about what is Islam and you certainly have zero rights when turks have committed genocide against the Amenian Christians.

Islam does NOT condone massacre of Christians. Go read the Holy Qur'an again, where it clearly says do NOT take Christians and Jews as friends and allies, who are alliance with each other against Muslims. And the only Christians and Jews who are allied with each other against Muslims, are America, Britain, France & Israel, who have conducted wars, murdered millions of Muslims over the last hundred years. And this is whom saudi pathetic family is allied with, as are the turks, qataris, emiratis, kuwaitis and bahrainis.

Go back to school, kid and learn a thing or two about real Islam.

 

[Constantin84]

You are a stupid disgusting vermin. Balkan Christians killed innocent Turks when they wore forced to go back to Turkey, while we defeated then in battles in history, massive difference.

I've seen delusional people before but you take the cake.Honestly....The Turks were knee deep in innocent blood of women, children ever since they arrived to the last moment they were thrown out.That's a historical fact.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

And ottoman turks enslaved Christian boys, were snatched away from their families and forced to convert to Islam. No other Caliphate ever did that, other than ottoman turks. Not even did the Arabs do such a thing when the crusades were ongoing. This is not the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Alahi Salaat-u-Wassalam. You are no one tell Muslims about what is Islam and you certainly have zero rights when turks have committed genocide against the Amenian Christians.

Islam does NOT condone massacre of Christians. Go read the Holy Qur'an again, where it clearly says do NOT take Christians and Jews as friends and allies, who are alliance with each other against Muslims. And the only Christians and Jews who are allied with each other against Muslims, are America, Britain, France & Israel, who have conducted wars, murdered millions of Muslims over the last hundred years. And this is whom saudi pathetic family is allied with, as are the turks, qataris, emiratis, kuwaitis and bahrainis.

Go back to school, kid and learn a thing or two about real Islam.

What's Islam got to do with it anyway? Hypocrites like you bang on about war ethics and codes of warfare when it suits you. I imagine the ethics committee of Iran doesn't receive much critical analysis from you.

 

[dBSPL]

Serbs were among the most powerful allies of the Ottoman for nearly 200 years. In fact, the main reason for the Ottoman domination in the Balkans was the Serbian factor, even more important than Wallachia or Hungarian support, for a long time ... For this reason, Belgrade, which is the biggest Serbian city today, underwent a great development for the first time in the Ottoman period and became attraction center of the region. Hungary and then the Austrian dynasties always fought for Serbian regions, but failed against ottoman economy and region politics, between 15-17th centuries.

After the failure of the second siege of Vienna(1683), Austria broke the paradigm by moving up to Belgrade without allowing the Ottoman army to be reorganized. Just after that: European holy league wars happened that will last for 17 years. Papacy, Holy roman empire with Austrian Habsburg monarch and all of its feudals, Russian Tsardom, Polish-Lehistan Commonwealth, Spanish Empire, Lombardy Duchy, Venice republic and rebels from all of balkans, fought together against Ottoman Armies ... In terms of European history, it can be called a premitive world war. As a result, the Ottoman took the biggest defeat in its history and withdrew from a significant part of the balkans, especially Belgrade. However, later years, the main struggle would focus on removing Balkan Muslims from the region through terrorism for 200 years.

Moreover, while Ottoman feld into deep political depression, the Russian tsardom was rapidly gaining economic strength in the same years, and the Austrian dynasty increased its political power in the region. This added a new depth to the power struggle in the region. Especially while a regional disintegration progressing through gangs was taking place, what was actually happening in the background was mostly arm wrestling of the great empires.

However, the French revolution, which took place approximately 90 years later, have the greatest impact in terms of ideological results in the balkans. The situation for ottomans was so out of control in a little while that the Austrian dynasty will take the Bosnia under its protection in 1872, because Ottoman physical boundaries have disappeared along with the political structure in the region and the weakening of the ottoman.

How bad could it go? Millions of Muslims of the Balkans in the years 1850-1950 was forced to take refuge in Turkey or dying in theirs homeland as a result of scene of great carnage in all of balkans. Gangs had act as engines in the fragmentation of the region by creating a huge wave of terrorism against Muslims in the Balkans which are financially and politically supported by the Russian tsardom and the Austrian dynasty. This model was so successful that the Russians and the French would later want to shatter Anatolia with two separate organizations called Dashnak and Hınchak during Great War, just after the total balkan collapse of ottoman...

I do not want the topic discussion to go beyond its purpose. But I have to say briefly that the 92-95 Bosnian genocide and the siege of Sarajevo, one of its symbolic events, are the tiny bits of a giant iceberg. It has historical, political and cultural ties dating back to centuries. It is necessary to spend years with academic studies and theses in accordance with these rules in order to give expert opinion and distribute judgments in this regard.

If you are intellectually interested in discussing these events and the political backgrounds of the region, especially the concept of balkanization, please open a separate topic. There, I can respond to all your claims with documents.

Now, Please stop disrespecting the memory of the Martyrs.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Today is the anniversary of the Siege of Sarajevo in which over 50,000 were injured, over 11,000 murdered including 1,601 children between April 5th, 1992 and February 29, 1996.

Sarajevo was the victim of a daily shelling campaign in an average of approximately 329 shell impacts per day occurred during the course of the siege, with a maximum of 3,777 on 22 July 1993. This particularly damaged virtually all buildings, residential or otherwise, in Sarajevo. Some 35,000 building were completely destroyed during the Siege of Sarajevo with Serb forces specifically targeting cultural heritage sites, hospitals and medical centres, communication centers, and markets.

The National Library of Sarajevo was destroyed by Serb forces too, with it destroying millions of books and countless artifacts. A direct attack on the cultural history of Bosnia.

“Sniper Alley” was an infamous boulevard in which Serbian forces directly targeted civilians. The constant shelling and sniper attacks weighed heavily on the residents of Sarajevo who despite it all tried their best to go on with life as normal.

It was estimated of the 65,000- 80,000 children in the city, at least 40% had been directly shot at by snipers; 51% had seen someone killed; 39% had seen one or more family members killed; 19% had witnessed a massacre; 73% had their home attacked or shelled; throughout the Siege.

In the Sarajevo neighborhood of Grbavica, which would end up occupied by Serb forces, innocent civilians were imprisoned, forced to perform hard labour, and tortured in detention and rape camps. Some of these criminals still remain at large and their victims afraid to speak. twitter.com/SrebrenicaUK/

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Suada Dilberovic, Olga Sucic

On Sunday, Sarajevo observes the 28th anniversary of the beginning of its siege, marked by the deaths of Suada Dilberovic and Olga Sucic, two women who were gunned down by sniper fire on April 5, 1992, at the then Vrbanja bridge in Bosnia's capital.

Suada Dilberovic (25) was a medical student from Dubrovnik, Croatia, who studied at the Sarajevo University, and Olga Sucic (34) who was from Sarajevo, was a clerk at the State Assembly. They were killed during a protest staged by Sarajevans, requesting that enemy forces remove the barricades and that they stand down.

Their deaths marked the beginning of a 44-month long siege of Sarajevo, the longest siege in modern history, during which 11,541 Sarajevans were killed, of which 1,601 children. Over 50,000 people wounded.

In honour of the first two civilian victims, the bridge was renamed into the Suada and Olga Bridge.

During the siege, a Sarajevo airlift was established which was the longest airlift after the Berlin airlift. During that time, over 10,000 cargo planes landed at the Sarajevo airport.

According to the UNHCR, the airlift was not enough in terms of meeting the needs of Sarajevans, but it was definitely the safest. While food and supply convoys were stopped regularly, due to misunderstandings and armed conflicts, the Sarajevo airport received between 20 and 25 planes daily, or 10 tons of food per aircraft.

During the siege, 329 shells fell on Sarajevo, daily. The city also holds one of the saddest records in history – on July 22, 1993, a total of 3,777 shells were fired on Sarajevo. The constant shelling created significant damage, but most damage was done to civilian, cultural and religious buildings.

Over 120 Yugoslav National Army’s artillery pieces and 250 tanks were placed in the hills around Sarajevo. These guns would later get into the hands of the Army of the then self-proclaimed Republika Srpska.

An example of the devastation which the siege produced in the city was the Markale marketplace massacre, when shells fired from enemy lines hit the marketplace in February 1994, claiming the lives of 68 Sarajevans.

The siege began in the night between fourth and fifth of April, 1992 and it ended on February 29th, 1996.
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PRTP GWD

 

[xenon54 out]

And ottoman turks enslaved Christian boys, were snatched away from their families and forced to convert to Islam. No other Caliphate ever did that, other than ottoman turks. Not even did the Arabs do such a thing when the crusades were ongoing. This is not the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Alahi Salaat-u-Wassalam. You are no one tell Muslims about what is Islam and you certainly have zero rights when turks have committed genocide against the Amenian Christians.

Islam does NOT condone massacre of Christians. Go read the Holy Qur'an again, where it clearly says do NOT take Christians and Jews as friends and allies, who are alliance with each other against Muslims. And the only Christians and Jews who are allied with each other against Muslims, are America, Britain, France & Israel, who have conducted wars, murdered millions of Muslims over the last hundred years. And this is whom saudi pathetic family is allied with, as are the turks, qataris, emiratis, kuwaitis and bahrainis.

Go back to school, kid and learn a thing or two about real Islam.

And Pakistan is allied to China which puts millions of Uyghurs into concentration camps to brain wash them into becoming atheist.
Not to mention the many un-islmic things going on in Pakistan itself nowadays, give me a break and come down of your high horse Mr. Righteous.

 

[Ansu fati]

And ottoman turks enslaved Christian boys, were snatched away from their families and forced to convert to Islam. No other Caliphate ever did that, other than ottoman turks. Not even did the Arabs do such a thing when the crusades were ongoing. This is not the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Alahi Salaat-u-Wassalam. You are no one tell Muslims about what is Islam and you certainly have zero rights when turks have committed genocide against the Amenian Christians.

Islam does NOT condone massacre of Christians. Go read the Holy Qur'an again, where it clearly says do NOT take Christians and Jews as friends and allies, who are alliance with each other against Muslims. And the only Christians and Jews who are allied with each other against Muslims, are America, Britain, France & Israel, who have conducted wars, murdered millions of Muslims over the last hundred years. And this is whom saudi pathetic family is allied with, as are the turks, qataris, emiratis, kuwaitis and bahrainis.

Go back to school, kid and learn a thing or two about real Islam.

Arab caliphates didn’t have slavery??? I suggest go back and read better history
All big states in the past had slavery-this means there was certain mistreatment
You see the so called arab world and there are more non-arab states than arab-origin states so much for your stupid argument that arab caliphates were “innocent”
When we talk about christian empires the situation is even worse milions of people forced to christianity asian/african states forced to speak English/French/Dutch
Comapre all of this with ottoman(turkish) state
50+ modern states were FORMER TURKISH PROVINCES none of them has turkish language as official nor I see some forced customs imposed on them even though there are significant percentages of turks in syria iraq and iran they don’t have any language rights
If turks wanted to convert non-muslims they could’ve done that long time ago instead they were given rights that minority in christian or arab “caliphates” or in persia could only dream of
Serbs had their own chruch armenians too bulgarians macedonians and greeks as well
Actually a lot of balkan origin people served as vezir pasha-the right hand of the sultan as well as other top/prominent/leading positions
Arabs had arab-origin governors all languages in ottoman period were spoken/allowed for a middle age times I can say that only Ottoman state had real tolerance towards non-muslims of course you couldn’t expect rights as today but definitely turks were much more friendly towards non-turks compared to spain/england/france/holy empire/persia
It’s funny that your dear Persia(now so called “islamic republic” of Iran) isn’t giving language rights to azeri turks even though they are supposedly a state based on religion not on ethnicity...
Whole Africa is speaking arab/french/english we have to see yet one state that has turkish as official...
Our turkish cousins the mughals also were as tolerant as anatolian turks that’s why you have so much states in Central/SE asia
But hey let’s bark at turks...
In fact ottoman state was much better than arab caliphates who imposed arab language on non-arabs(I don’t even need to talk about other crimes they commited)

 

[dBSPL]

And Pakistan is allied to China which puts millions of Uyghurs into concentration camps to brain wash them into becoming atheist.
Not to mention the many un-islmic things going on in Pakistan itself nowadays, give me a break and come down of your high horse Mr. Righteous.

Let's look from the opposite angle... A large number of Hindus today argue that the ancestors of Pakistani Muslims are mainly looters, oppressors, and massacres. Although the cities founded by those Muslims provide India with billions of dollars of tourism today and even though it is possible to see many inspirational aspects of Islamic Sufism at other beliefs and social traditions, it is not possible to get them to accept the goodness of Islamic culture.

Moreover, it is even possible to find a Turk who adopts these Hindu-ist approaches. Therefore, it is not surprising to hear such angered accusations against Turkish history. Both examples are considered as the soul mate of each other. Because the sources and methods it feeds are the same. Turks are already a nation that has gotten used to living with it for more than a thousand years. I know very well that the Pakistani nation is also accustomed.

 

[xenon54 out]

Let's look from the opposite angle... A large number of Hindus today argue that the ancestors of Pakistani Muslims are mainly looters, oppressors, and massacres. Although the cities founded by those Muslims provide India with billions of dollars of tourism today and even though it is possible to see many inspirational aspects of Islamic Sufism at other beliefs and social traditions, it is not possible to get them to accept the goodness of Islamic culture.

Moreover, it is even possible to find a Turk who adopts these Hindu-ist approaches. Therefore, it is not surprising to hear such angered accusations against Turkish history. Both examples are considered as the soul mate of each other. Because the sources and methods it feeds are the same. Turks are already a nation that has gotten used to living with it for more than a thousand years. I know very well that the Pakistani nation is also accustomed.

Just an Russophile refusing to see the reality, he is like millions out there who think West evil and Russia/China good even thought those two are even worse towards muslims.
Those Russia/China lovers will have a very hard hangover once their love drunkness is over, i just wish to see those days, i wonder whom they are gonna suck up to once it happens.

Besides never did Turks claim to be the perfect muslims i have no clue why he is pulling that argument all of a sudden.