Will Manmohan Singh deliver on demilitarization after Gen. Singh?

[ThinkLogic]

The Indian army has been very clear – from Gen VK Singh downwards – that an advantage obtained with so much sacrifice of men and material cannot simply be gifted away through so-called “demilitarisation” for no advantage at all.

However, the weak link in the Indian position is the Prime Minister himself, who seems to be scrounging around for a diplomatic victory to pull off when his reputation is otherwise in tatters.

According to a report in India Today, as early as June 2005, the PM told soldiers at the Siachen base camp: “Siachen is called the highest battlefield, where living is very difficult. Now the time has come that we make efforts that this is converted from a point of conflict to the symbol of peace.”

But the magazine also notes that Siachen is what the PM may be willing to sacrifice for personal achievement. “Demilitarisation is his CBM (confidence building measure) offer to Pakistan. Cynics suggest that he, too, has become a victim of the Nobel Peace Prize syndrome, trapped by the desire of temporary personal applause at the cost of national interests. It is his ticket to history.”

Siachen: Pak banks on PM to deliver after Gen Singh’s exit | Firstpost

This MMS fool had made operating business more difficult than it was 5 years ago. Instead of making the task running business easy he has made it a hell due to the crappy policies.

Having screwed up the economy he has decided to sell of Indian lives to the cause of getting good name with our neighbors, especially Pakistan and SriLanka.

I do not have words to name call him so I will politely call him as the Prime Minister of SriLanka.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It doesn't work that way, mate. There will be an uprising in the Indian Army itself against this. Read the article properly. Indian Army is DEAD-SET AGAINST IT.

But don't Indians always insist that it is the PA that has disproportionate influence on foreign policy in Pakistan? Does the comment above not suggest that the IA has a similarly disproportionate influence on foreign policy in India?

 

[SamantK]

But don't Indians always insist that it is the PA that has disproportionate influence on foreign policy in Pakistan? Does the comment above not suggest that the IA has a similarly disproportionate influence on foreign policy in India?

Its not about every foreign policy, just the one where Army is the major stakeholder.

 

[Tshering22]

I just don't trust this government and fear that they will backstab the nation. Just pray that Congress gets bolted out before a decision on this comes up.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Its not about every foreign policy, just the one where Army is the major stakeholder.

Sure, but then the PA is probably not bothered about Pakistan's foreign policies towards Nigeria either ...

 

[clmeta]

IA's influence on foreign policy is not disproportionate.
But the politicians are scared to go against army's recommendations because if something goes wrong , they can't bear the political fallout.
Do you ever see any foreign minister meeting Indian generals?????
You agree on PA's heavy influence on Pakistan's foreign policy right???

But don't Indians always insist that it is the PA that has disproportionate influence on foreign policy in Pakistan? Does the comment above not suggest that the IA has a similarly disproportionate influence on foreign policy in India?

 

[Mech]

You guys are way over-thinking this one. Massive protests by public and opposition. The country would come to a standstill and the government will fall.

On the flip-side, it might not be such a bad idea considering, we can see an early end to UPA ( UP everyone's As$).

 

[KS]

But don't Indians always insist that it is the PA that has disproportionate influence on foreign policy in Pakistan? Does the comment above not suggest that the IA has a similarly disproportionate influence on foreign policy in India?

Wrong comparison.

What PA is disproportionate influence over the entire foreign policy spectrum ranging from military to economy regarding India, what IA has is legitimate tactical interests and both cannot be compares because there is an insurgency aided/backed by cross border elements only on our side and not on yours. It is our Army that has to fight this insurgency and not yours.

So our Army has the responsibility to advise the Government on such issues whereby its own responsibility of fighting the militants is not compromised by any stupid concessions on the part of Govt in a quest for a legacy of peace - like what happened when Lal Bahadur Shastri gave away the hard won, strategically important Haji Pir pass without consulting the Indian Army.

Also one has to understand that IA is not actually wielding any influence. It just says, once you give up Siachen based on Pak's [empty] promises and if they occupy it again, don't expect us to sacrifice our soldiers to take it again. This is sometime misconstrued as IA's veto on Siachen talks.

 

[JanjaWeed]

But don't Indians always insist that it is the PA that has disproportionate influence on foreign policy in Pakistan? Does the comment above not suggest that the IA has a similarly disproportionate influence on foreign policy in India?

There is a vast difference between dictating the foreign policy & input towards the foreign policy. In the case IA, it can only put forward it's views to the civilian govt only on those matters which involves the military in direct contact with the issue... not dictate the course of action. The question of power can only be seen in different contexts in India and Pakistan, unlike its arch rival, Indian military has been kept under solid civilian control. On the other hand, Pakistan had always tilted towards an authoritarian style of rule and thus paved way for decades of military rule in the country.

 

[SamantK]

Sure, but then the PA is probably not bothered about Pakistan's foreign policies towards Nigeria either ...

But they have been running the country for few years, including jumping gates which probably is called coupe.

 

[Anish1]

CONgress could easily give Siachen to pakistan.
Then they would win more Lok Sabha seats in Uttar Pradesh as the mullahs and clerics would throw their weight with congress.
From muslim appeasement to terror appeasement to pakistan appeasement.

Our country has gone to the dogs.

 

[SamantK]

CONgress could easily give Siachen to pakistan.
Then they would win more Lok Sabha seats in Uttar Pradesh as the mullahs and clerics would throw their weight with congress.
From muslim appeasement to terror appeasement to pakistan appeasement.

Our country has gone to the dogs.

thats deep!

 

[Anish1]

thats deep!

Thats a fact. Why do you Mulayam wants to become Defence Minister?
Who does Mulayam report to? Imam Bukhari of Jama Masjid who said Al-Qaeda nd Taliban are great revolutionary organizations which all muslims must join.
The army is cannibalised under Mulayam.

Al-Taqiya is the Islamic game of deception.

 

[Screambowl]

no demilitarization! No Military Pull Back!! Instead Proper tech. and gears should be provided. And according to the past experiences, Pakistan may repeat Kargil

 

[deckingraj]

This is coming from the mouth of an ardent Army fan however i have to call spade a spade...

Wrong comparison.

What PA is disproportionate influence over the entire foreign policy spectrum ranging from military to economy regarding India, what IA has is legitimate tactical interests and both cannot be compares because there is an insurgency aided/backed by cross border elements only on our side and not on yours. It is our Army that has to fight this insurgency and not yours.

So our Army has the responsibility to advise the Government on such issues whereby its own responsibility of fighting the militants is not compromised by any stupid concessions on the part of Govt in a quest for a legacy of peace - like what happened when Lal Bahadur Shastri gave away the hard won, strategically important Haji Pir pass without consulting the Indian Army.

You are right here. Army should and would be consulted and if not then Army should proactively reach out to the political class. Though i don't think anybody can be a fool to that extent. Lal Bahadur Shastri era was different..Today an inch of land being compromised media will easily make a mountain of a mole and we will be simply cherry picking these politicians and sending them to gallows...So i have no worries as such...Everything will happen after proper consultation with Army...

Also one has to understand that IA is not actually wielding any influence. It just says, once you give up Siachen based on Pak's [empty] promises and if they occupy it again, don't expect us to sacrifice our soldiers to take it again. This is sometime misconstrued as IA's veto on Siachen talks.

This part of your post is very dangerous. IA is under the civilian govt. and should remain there...They are nobody to look other way when they are given some orders by Civilian govt. even if the entire fuss has been created by political class themselves...We as an ordinary citizen should never support such an Action.....I will give you a very simple example...AFSPA is a very important tool for Army to operate in insurgency hit areas...However numerous studies have brought the negative impacts of such a law..Of-course Army need something to operate but civilian govt. needs to find the right balance...and of-course Army has to follow the orders...

Fortunately if we look at our history this is exactly what our Army has been doing...and hopefully this should stay that way...

CONgress could easily give Siachen to pakistan.
Then they would win more Lok Sabha seats in Uttar Pradesh as the mullahs and clerics would throw their weight with congress.
From muslim appeasement to terror appeasement to pakistan appeasement.

Our country has gone to the dogs.

Sorry to say but if thought like yours represent majority then certainly this county has gone to dogs...though fortunately that is not the case...You and your likes feel that Muslims in India lives here but their heart beats for Pakistan...which is so wrong that i feel disgusted to even correct you...Pathetic i must say!!!