Will Iran enter to the war against Israel?

[HGV]

And where did I claim you did?

I am just saying this is a point. You can't hit it 100% which mean it is not effective. Do you understand the term "Effective"?

So you were not responding to anything I said but instead muttering incoherent and irrelevant nonsense. Good to know.

lol, missile have 10%-30% failure rate? And you call me delusional......

US assesses Russian cruise missiles have a 20%+ failure rate

Exclusive: U.S. assesses up to 60% failure rate for some Russian missiles, officials say

The United States assesses that Russia is suffering failure rates as high as 60% for some of the precision-guided missiles it is using to attack Ukraine, three U.S. officials with knowledge of the intelligence told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

US assesses Block-II Tomahawk cruise missiles had a 15% failure rate during the Persian Gulf War

Tomahawk | Missile Threat

The Tomahawk is an intermediate-range, subsonic cruise missile that is launched from U.S. Navy ships and submarines. It provides a long-range, deep strike capability. The Tomahawk can carry either conventional or nuclear payloads, though policy decisions have phased out their nuclear role...

missilethreat.csis.org

Analysis of Iranian missile strikes shows a similar failure rate.

Again you expose your ignorance of basic military facts.

Sure, yet Iran still hadn't done shit and Israel has been murdering Palestinian left and right.

And this is just bad taste, so you laugh on the floor rolling for all the Palestinian that's being killed? I don't care as much but I wouldn't use ROFL emoji on people that was killed in this conflict.

You said: "any missile launcher will stick out like a sore thumb in any modern ISTAR asset, from Satellite to E-Dub platform, I mean, you are talking about Houthi rebel, not China, if Saudi have complete air control over the area, they [Ansarallah] won't be able to lob any missile"

Now after your hilariously ignorant and stupid comments above were refuted, you try to change the subject to dead Palestinians? Have some shame.

First, I did not say anything, I said why not this

LOL. How pathetic. You said "they [Saudi] really don't need to go south thru bab el mandeb strait". So now explain how Saudi will export millions of barrels of oil per day to its top 3 export customers (China, South Korea and Japan) by going north through the Suez Canal.

And that's on top of Saudi output will not be zero, because you're thinking of Iran doing stuff that outside of their capability to begin with.

Where did I claim Saudi output will be "zero", or mention anything to do with Iran? You have a habit of changing the subject and inventing statements that don't exist. Try to pay better attention in future.

 

[Mehdipersian]

How are you helping the Palestinians. You are NOT helping the Palestinians but killing them by using them in your proxy war against Israel. Hamas wouldn't have the encouragement to pull that foolish move against Israel if not for the rockets and equipment you supply them. The devils in Tehran know that Hamas stands no chance against Israel with those small weapons. They just wanted some Israelis dead as a kind of revenge for the assassinations even if it comes at the cost of thousands of Palesgtinians dead and millions displaced. I mean, don't pretend not to understand what I'm saying. Iran could simply order Hezbollah to enter the fight if it REALLY wanted to help Palestine. You have NO excuse here because you are the ONLY country with an army on Israel's border that can fight the Israelis if you ordered it. But that's not your goal. Your goal is not to fight the Israelis. Your goal is to secure the Iranian regime by telling the Israelis: "look, if you attempt to militarily topple our regime, we'll unleash Hezbollah against you". That is it. You and I can argue this further if you want, but I'll defnitely prove you wrong in the end.

Americans and Israelis are hostile to us because we help the Palestinians.

Your comments are Nice jokes.

 

[jhungary]

So you were not responding to anything I said but instead muttering incoherent and irrelevant nonsense. Good to know.

Am I? Or you just to stupid to understand what I said??

US assesses Russian cruise missiles have a 20%+ failure rate

Exclusive: U.S. assesses up to 60% failure rate for some Russian missiles, officials say

The United States assesses that Russia is suffering failure rates as high as 60% for some of the precision-guided missiles it is using to attack Ukraine, three U.S. officials with knowledge of the intelligence told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

Dude, did you even read your own source??

Since when 20-60% become 20%??

US assesses Block-II Tomahawk cruise missiles had a 15% failure rate during the Persian Gulf War

Tomahawk | Missile Threat

The Tomahawk is an intermediate-range, subsonic cruise missile that is launched from U.S. Navy ships and submarines. It provides a long-range, deep strike capability. The Tomahawk can carry either conventional or nuclear payloads, though policy decisions have phased out their nuclear role...

missilethreat.csis.org

Analysis of Iranian missile strikes shows a similar failure rate.

Again you expose your ignorance of basic military facts.

They are talking about hard target, and we are talking about ships......

You said: "any missile launcher will stick out like a sore thumb in any modern ISTAR asset, from Satellite to E-Dub platform, I mean, you are talking about Houthi rebel, not China, if Saudi have complete air control over the area, they [Ansarallah] won't be able to lob any missile"
Now after your hilariously ignorant and stupid comments above were refuted, you try to change the subject to dead Palestinians? Have some shame.

What refuted? Do you even know how ISTAR work? Do you even know what is the step to take before you launch those missile and how to detect missile launch?

You said nothing on the issue, you didn't even tell me how you can do counter ISTAR on the taregt, yet somehow you claim my point were refuted??

LOL. How pathetic. You said "they [Saudi] really don't need to go south thru bab el mandeb strait". So now explain how Saudi will export millions of barrels of oil per day to its top 3 export customers (China, South Korea and Japan) by going north through the Suez Canal.

Where did I claim Saudi output will be "zero", or mention anything to do with Iran? You have a habit of changing the subject and inventing statements that don't exist. Try to pay better attention in future.

That's the bottom line dude. And yes, pay attention to what has already been said in the future. Thank You

 

[mike2000 is back]

Also please do not forget the same Sunni puppet regimes with full western and Zionist support attacked Iran in 1980 and we lost half a million of our people. These western hypocrites even encouraged and provided the idiot Saddam with chemicals to gas the Iranians.

Agree with you to some extent. But then again, that was all geo political gamed and national interests involved. Nothing personal. Arab countries had a very genuine reason to consider Iran after the Mullahs took power as their biggest threat by far. Since Iran Ayatollah Khomeini publicly made it clear back then that Iran's goal was to export its version of Islamic revolution(read their own version of Islam with them as leaders) to the Arab world and region..So it was reasonable for some Arab states to support Saddam.
However, looking again at geostrategic interests, you do know that Iranian government cooperated with Israel(or as you like to call it the "Zionist regime Lol) covertly/indirectly for arms in the Iran contra affair right? Since Israel considered Saddam Iraq back then as one of her biggest threat funny enough. Again I don't blame Iran or anybody else, I understand it's all about national interests and geo politics. I'm not naïve enough not to.
Reason I said nothing is ever black and white in this game .

Anyway. Iran won't enter the war despite all the rhetoric. There are several obvious reasons for that. People should stop wishful thinking and emotional fantasies. Else Iran would have fought Israel long ago

 

[_killuminati_]

Explain to me how it did not negate your statement.

You make the statement; the onus is on you to prove how it's relevant. Houthi missiles/drones landed in Israel negated your argument.

You don't know how it was hit, I mean if Houthiu launches 20 missile and 1 hit, was that a "Acceptable" efficiency to you? if so, then I will say you won't be able to even cause 5% of damage

You also don't know how it was hit, so don't pretend like you know.

Again, you are banking on hypothesis and asking questions on efficiency. "If 20 were launched..." ... why don't you write "if 1 was launched and 1 hit"? You are living in fantasy land.

Do you even read what you said? If ALL INTERNATIONAL FRIEGHT is targeted, then you piss off THE ENTIRE WORLD, I can see a UN resolution coming, and that mean Houthi won't be just facing Saudi alone...

Again, you delve into a hypothetical scenario where the fantasy matches your wishes instead of reality. Now I will describe my own fantasy devoid of reality: if international freight is targetted, the entire world will turn against Saudis.

loll, full force? How many Saudi soldier were eve in Yemen? How many sorties was flew by RSAF? How many ship and how many shell were used in that 5 to 7 years war?

150,000 soldiers
100 warplanes
+100,000 sorties

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have a disastrous Yemen strategy

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates’s deepening intervention in Yemen is the triumph of hope over experience. The result has been a disaster.

www.brookings.edu

You really were living in a cave, weren't you?

Sure, whatever you say

Ceded so quick.

Again, you have zero understanding on how Missile trajectory works, if missile can only target straight line tragetory, then how you can use a missile to shoot down an aircraft that is not flying at a straight line?

I already explained it. Aircraft emissions are different, detectable, trackable. Missiles are not. It's obvious you don't know even the basics of this concept hence parroting the same question. Let me give you a hint to start your journey: aircraft have radars that emit electronic radiation hundreds of kilometers away.

Again, explain to me how it is physically impossible.

Sure.

I also know that the ground battery first needs to detect the incoming threat with its radar beam, calculate its trajectory, and shoot a missile at an estimated intercept point, all of which is NOT instantaneous.

And then explain to me how this

U.S. Navy warship intercepted 3 missiles and several drones near Yemen

The Pentagon said the USS Carney, a Navy destroyer, took down three missiles Thursday that were fired from Yemen and were heading north.

www.cbsnews.com

could happen?

Straight-line trajectory interception. Now explain this which you dodged,
https://x.com/UkraineDiary/status/1724382472069169264?s=20
https://x.com/zamannx/status/1722615960983802103?s=20

Are you for real??

Flight Profile of a Cruise Missile

Don't humiliate yourself like this. That's not a parabola!!! Your own image here shows 'terrain matching'.

lol, RCS have nothing to do with whether or not missile profile can be intercepted.....

That's exactly what I said. Aircraft are intercepted based on their RCS. Missiles are not because their RCS signature is too weak.

Your argument is spiralling out of control.

YoU ARE SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO INTERCEPT NON_LINEAR FLIGHT PATH.........

Impossible to intercept non-linear missile trajectories using current US ADS.

Am I? Or are you??

You're the only one here harping "will be, would have, will make, etc". Conjecture.

Well, how exactly to argue with an idiot?

You can learn from my response.

 

[LegionnairE]

I can't believe this got discussed for 20 pages. Of course not.

This is the naval buildup around the region right now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724292270042517507

Iran can't do anything other than putting itself in danger.

Anyway. Iran won't enter the war despite all the rhetoric. There are several obvious reasons for that. People should stop wishful thinking and emotional fantasies. Else Iran would have fought Israel long ago

Basically this.

 

[R2D2]

The Zionist child killing scum are weaker than a spider web, the bastards strut on total US and western support. If the Axis of Resistance gets serious in a region wide asymmetrical war, the Zionists will collapse and that is why they want the US morons to fight Iran. This is the ideal time to use the Confucian adage of death of thousand cuts upon the Zionist LGBT Tik Tok military of baby killers.

Victory belongs to the bold and those who take initiative.

 

[jhungary]

You make the statement; the onus is on you to prove how it's relevant. Houthi missiles/drones landed in Israel negated your argument.

Dude, only it was YOU who make the statement that US cannot intercept anything that does not have a straight pathway. I am not the one that come up with that idea.

And in fact, MANY Houthi missile WERE IN FACT INTERCEPTED by the US and Israeli. As in these news suggested

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/us-warship-intercept-missiles-near-yemen/index.html

Israel used a weapon it never has before to stop a missile as its enemies put every layer of its air-defense system to the test

The Arrow 3 system was deployed in 2017 and used on Thursday for the first time to engage a ballistic missile fired by Iran-backed militants.

www.businessinsider.com

And those are recorded facts, so no, THE ONUS IS ON YOU TO PROOF THAT US CANNOT INTERCEPT HOUTHI MISSILE because it has an other than straight flight paths.

You also don't know how it was hit, so don't pretend like you know.

And that's why I am NOT the one that bring up this, YOU DID.

Again, you are banking on hypothesis and asking questions on efficiency. "If 20 were launched..." ... why don't you write "if 1 was launched and 1 hit"? You are living in fantasy land.

But then you did not know if that is 1 on 1 hit, so how can you comment on one way or otherwise?

Again, you delve into a hypothetical scenario where the fantasy matches your wishes instead of reality. Now I will describe my own fantasy devoid of reality: if international freight is targetted, the entire world will turn against Saudis.

Dude, seriously?

You really do think if Houthi go around and attacking anyone, not just Saudi ship, the world is NOT going to response?? And you think the world will turn on Saudi when everyone's ship is attack??

Dude, you are delusional to the max......

150,000 soldiers
100 warplanes
+100,000 sorties

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have a disastrous Yemen strategy

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates’s deepening intervention in Yemen is the triumph of hope over experience. The result has been a disaster.

www.brookings.edu

You really were living in a cave, weren't you?

Maybe you need to go back and see what Saudi had, if you think 150,000 soldier and 100 warplane is Saudi Full force, you either cannot count or just outright stupid.

Ceded so quick.

Nothing to cede as there are no argument in it

I already explained it. Aircraft emissions are different, detectable, trackable. Missiles are not. It's obvious you don't know even the basics of this concept hence parroting the same question. Let me give you a hint to start your journey: aircraft have radars that emit electronic radiation hundreds of kilometers away.

Again, you were not talking about being trackable, you are talking about flightpath, RCS and flightpath are two different concept.

Sure.

Sure what?

Straight-line trajectory interception. Now explain this which you dodged,
https://x.com/UkraineDiary/status/1724382472069169264?s=20
https://x.com/zamannx/status/1722615960983802103?s=20

Both of which just show an attack happens. It show nothing,

Again, if they can't be shot down like you said because it was not in a direct flight path, please explain this

Don't humiliate yourself like this. That's not a parabola!!! Your own image here shows 'terrain matching'.

Dude, did you even know what is "Parabola" it mean a curved flight path, the image show multiple stage of Parabola flight path, which is what you need to ground hugging navigation, it WILL NEVER BE a Straight flightpath becasue you have obstable both natural and man made, on earth.

That's exactly what I said. Aircraft are intercepted based on their RCS. Missiles are not because their RCS signature is too weak.

Again, what's RCS has to do with it? You aren't talking about missile cannot be shoot down because it has low RCS, you were talking about missile cannot be shot down because it does not have a forward and straight flight paths.

Your argument is spiralling out of control.


Impossible to intercept non-linear missile trajectories using current US ADS.


You're the only one here harping "will be, would have, will make, etc". Conjecture.

You can learn from my response.

Yes, I can learn how INSANE you are

@gambit, I don't think I ever say this, but I found someone who are more delusional than Chinese Physics........Come and look at this.

Please do not ever quote me again, I don't talk to crazy people.

 

[gambit]

@gambit, I don't think I ever say this, but I found someone who are more delusional than Chinese Physics........Come and look at this.

Yeah...I got him...Leave his post to me...

 

[Muhammed45]

I can't believe this got discussed for 20 pages. Of course not.

This is the naval buildup around the region right now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724292270042517507

Iran can't do anything other than putting itself in danger.


Basically this.

USA cannot stop Yemeni missiles raining over Eilat and yet you expect them to do smething big with their floating coffins? You need to wake up and drop that stupidity. American navy ships were targeted by Yemen, they do not dare to get close to Yemen and Lebanon. How can they pose any threat to Iran?

The whole Arabian sea is under our watch and American submarines are forced to surface.

 

[Sineva]

"Persian" zionst [and sh!thead deluxe] babak taghvaee gloating over an act of vandalism by the zionist criminals in the west bank.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724477851921993737

 

[jhungary]

Yeah...I got him...Leave his post to me...

Man, I can't believe I have to explain the fact that EVERYTHING in this world travel at any angle are travelling at a Parabola because of the gravity/gravitational pull.... I mean that is the same guy I explain to telling me, ME, that it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to intercept non-linear trajectory......

Dude, this guy just blew ALL Chinese physics out of water.......I think we have a winner here..........

 

[gambit]

Man, I can't believe I have to explain the fact that EVERYTHING in this world travel at any angle are travelling at a Parabola because of the gravity/gravitational pull.... I mean that is the same guy I explain to telling me, ME, that it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to intercept non-linear trajectory......

Dude, this guy just blew ALL Chinese physics out of water.......I think we have a winner here..........

Sometimes I think there is a contest between the PDF Chinese and PDF Iranians to see who can most defy the true laws of physics. Anyway, am off to sleep. The bourbon is taking its toll. I will teach our friend the errors of his ways.

 

[Blue In Green]

Man, I can't believe I have to explain the fact that EVERYTHING in this world travel at any angle are travelling at a Parabola because of the gravity/gravitational pull.... I mean that is the same guy I explain to telling me, ME, that it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to intercept non-linear trajectory......

Dude, this guy just blew ALL Chinese physics out of water.......I think we have a winner here..........

What’s up with this Physics stuff?

"Persian" zionst [and sh!thead deluxe] babak taghvaee gloating over an act of vandalism by the zionist criminals in the west bank.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724477851921993737

Babak is a weird character.

 

[jhungary]

What’s up with this Physics stuff?

What do you mean what's up wit hthis physic stuff?

The person I was replying to told me it's Physically Impossible for anyone to intercept anything other than a straight trajectory. Which is not going to happen in this world unless you shoot anything 90 degree up and it come down 90 degree down which is parallel to gravity, because anything that have a forward momentum on this earth are subjected to gravitational pull and friction between medium, together it forms what people called "Drag Coefficient" ....

What I was talking about is the same person who don't understand newton 3rd law of motion talk about what physically can and cannot do.....

Sometimes I think there is a contest between the PDF Chinese and PDF Iranians to see who can most defy the true laws of physics. Anyway, am off to sleep. The bourbon is taking its toll. I will teach our friend the errors of his ways.

lol.....