why we won in 1965 and why we lost afterwards,,

[Psychic]

We did not win in 65.
It was a stalemate; thanks to timid Ayub and sycophant Musa.

About time we learn from the blunders instead of glorifying them. It was more like a chalo khair hay bachat ho gaye day.

 

[cricketrulez]

We did not win in 65.
It was a stalemate; thanks to timid Ayub and sycophant Musa.

About time we learn from the blunders instead of glorifying them. It was more like a chalo khair hay bachat ho gaye day.

you have no evidence. Provide neutral unarguable sources. you are making empty claims. /S

PS: love the pic in profile!

 

[Village life]

your thoughts about my this article please @newb3e

 

[newb3e]

your thoughts about my this article please @newb3e

bro ill read and get back to you but this topic is really controversial atleast my opinions are somewhat controversial for majority of members

 

[Ultima Thule]

China was never a colony to gain independence. China was in a civil war and it ended in 1949.

Secondly, China has huge amount of natural resources which is not there in India. India used aluminum vessels and household goods till 1990s due to lack of nickel yo make stainless steel. India has to import oil whereas China was an exporter of oil till 1990s. India has only 40% as much water as China and 35% land as China. India only has coal, aluminum and iron in large quantities but has very little other resources. This is why India can't simply become China. Despite this, India has developed decent amount of technology. That is commendable.

What technology you developed, just like you copied in your mighty TeJ@$$ tech copy from the different source s put local name and that tech is developed by you (india), @Smarana Mitra prime example of that is your UTTAM AESA which copy cat by Israerli AESA named ELM-2052 @Smarana Mitra

 

[Maarkhoor]

First of All salute and respect to Martyrs of 1965 war, then a declaration that I am not biased about any political party nor pro to any party, my affiliation is only and only with my Belief and Pakistan and jawns of my armed forces, don't get flamed if I hurt someones liking, میں اس شہر کا سب سے بڑا فسادی ہوں ،،میں جو دیکھتا ہوں وہ کہہ دیتا ہوں،
1965 reminds us two things !we were a nation and leadership was least corrupt and trustworthy, we were economically incompatible to our enemy but morally were strong than them, and results were in our favor and so was Devine force, the Hybird war in these years was just limited to propaganda etc . But as we came out of 1965 war Victorious the ideological enemies of us were not only astonished surprised but were afraid of us too, it was not a single enemy they were all including USA and west ,infact USA and west are of more concern, so from there on they laid the foundation of great hybrid warfare against us. we became the victims of their hybrid warfare since then, it was their policies whitch we willingly or unwillingly followed and suffered the catastrophe of partition of East Pakistan from us. it was not failure of any institution but it was the failure of the whole Nation and of the state,. were we aware that hybrid war is going on us and we were lenient towards it and we didn't had a plan to counter it? I will say we were incompetent! we had a great chance to become a financial power during the the Afghan jihad against Russia we should have blackmailed America to lay the foundation of industrial development in our country otherwise we wouldn't have rendered them our services, but instead we just earned peanuts and secretly developed our nuclear program for which we are proud but it is very least compensation that we got for destroying a superpower in favour of America. DID WE LEARNT SOMETHING FROM AFGHAN JAHAD? NO WE DIDN'T LEARNT ANYTHING ONLY COUNTRIES WHICH LEARNT A LESSON FROM AFGHAN WAR WAS RUSSIA ITSELF AND CHINA! they learnt that financial power is the only thing through which you can rule and dictate the world no matter how much arms you have they won't matter in the hybrid warfare of the coming years best example of the week financial condition was the destruction of Russia itself, WHAT WAS HYBRID WAR AGAINST US? making us economically weak ,dependent on others and deprivation of education and industrial base through the implanted tools of hybrid warfare on us. WHO WERE THEIR TOOLS? sectarian groups ethnic groups corrupt heads of political parties infiltrated bureaucracy and illiterate general public who wasn't as sin full to this self destruction because they wasn't even aware what's going on . so this conspiracy goes on and so does the hybrid warfare and in the result of that what we accumulated are the leaders like Nawaz Sharif a dumb businessman and corrupt too, ethnic hound dog like Altaf, religious stooge like Fazlo, mother of all evils or father of all evils Asif Ali zardari, a cheater a liar a u turner and addicted to self appeasement and some other things Imran Khan ,who can easily be blackmailed buy reham Khan or by peerni etc, THE ESTABLISHMENT PART IS MISSING?. yes how can they be spared ! aren't they equally responsible? yes they are, they assumed that they can avoid this hybrid warfare by just appeasing the foreign establishments and leaving the rectification of basics, and that basic is literacy and industrial development, they tried to clean the dirt and ablute the nation but unfortunately the water they used was of sewerage, NOW WHAT IS THE POINT, a hybrid warfare loss is a gross term, it is term in which enemy defeats you without fighting a direct war , and it's achieved by making you to believe as a nation that your are successful in fooling the ideological enemy establishments and you are winning, the moment you are engulfed in this trap it is the moment you lose, Is Pakistan now a winner of this war? no off course not, we lost it , what we have accumulated is mess ,a society whose moral values are shattered, whose system is failed to deliver and a nation who doesn't have a vigilant leadership at all levels, HOW TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION? we are a ideological state as is Israel , India, China, USA , Iran etc , laughing at me? let me explain Israel is ideologically a Jew state what ever goes against the Jews they will destroy it and they are not hesitant of admitting it and doing it , are they ? India once upon a time a secular state though it was a deception but now they are an open Hindu fundamentalist state will they change because Muslims and others don't fit with them? no they won't, China is a socialist communist country Wii they change to Western puddle democracy because USA &his allies want it to change? no they won't, USA is a capitalist and now a white racist country will they change to a secular socialist country because China Russia and Muslim want ? no they won't, IRAN is Shia fundamentalist country will they change to Suni Muslim country ? because Saudi Arabia and other Suni want, no they won't,. All these countries are following different ideological system and they are safe sound and viable , you know why ?they have not left loopholes in their systems and their deep States are committed and loyal to their ideology who ever differs is eliminated thus remains no chance of falling victim of Hybrid warfare. Now where and what is our ideology? this is what we need to identify and adhere to it , who protects and guards a nation's ideological base ? the powerful pillar of the state and that is deep state and if they fail it means you are losing a hybrid warfare, stay blessed long live Pakistan @Wa Muhammada @Markhoor @Khafee @Dubious

We didn't lost any war but we loose afterwords politically......

1971 even if you put USA in our shoes they can't save it...how can we fight a war for our part 1500 kms away from mainland?
Especially when Bhutto denied constitutional elected P.M of Pakistan Mujeeb...?

We lost Kargil not militarily but Ghanja find his legs jelly infront of Clinton...

 

[Ultima Thule]

What would this senile guy know. /S

We did more damage then India did in 65 we almost reach dehli, we almost reach gurdaspur (a way to Kashmir from India, we almost destroy your Air force, 19 PAF jet were destroyed in war whereas 110 IAF jets were destroyed by PAF, we destroyed 4 IN SHIPS in ocean and your mighty Aircraft carrier not went into the because fear of PNS GHAZI (First submarine of the subcontinent), we destroyed Military port of DAWARKA, so get you facts straight kid @cricketrulez

you have no evidence. Provide neutral unarguable sources. you are making empty claims. /S

PS: love the pic in profile!

you have no proof either that India had won the 65 war @cricketrulez

 

[YeBeWarned]

1947-48 War, We win and got half of Kashmir cause we fight together as one People , Tribal's along with Army Drive those Indians out of AJ&K .

1965 War, we failed because of Kashmiri's betray us and hand over our SSG to IA, Army didn't get the desired results in first half of war, but when India attack Lahore in Panic to lose Kashmir , we kick their butts and they failed to capture Lahore , hence Part of war won by Pakistan .

1971, We lost because we were Fighting a civil war, Bengali Traitors and ZA Bhutto and Poor decision by Army lead us to a dead end , its hard to fight when you are fighting a civil war along with a enemy who is 10X larger than you in a territory which is far from mainland where you cant resupply .

1999, Kargil was a good operation, it could chock IA forces in the valley and Srinagar if our Politicians did not chicken out , and if Top Generals would rather take Air force in confidence as well ..

2002 Stand-off , Without fighting a war 1200+ Indian soldiers died

26-27th Feb 2019 , We Won because we were united as a nation , we fought the menace of Terrorism, We finally caught Active Indian personnel who were doing terrorism in Pakistan, we were tired of Indian LoC violation , we had enough of India propaganda and bragging .

 

[Smarana Mitra]

What technology you developed, just like you copied in your mighty TeJ@$$ tech copy from the different source s put local name and that tech is developed by you (india), @Smarana Mitra prime example of that is your UTTAM AESA which copy cat by Israerli AESA named ELM-2052 @Smarana Mitra

None of the technology of India is reverse engineered. Ideas may be taken by looking at how other systems work but other systems are not the basis of Indian systems. Now, ideas are taken by everyone. Even USA took turbojet technology developed by Germany and V2 rockets of Germany.

 

[cricketrulez]

We did more damage then India did in 65 we almost reach dehli, we almost reach gurdaspur (a way to Kashmir from India, we almost destroy your Air force, 19 PAF jet were destroyed in war whereas 110 IAF jets were destroyed by PAF, we destroyed 4 IN SHIPS in ocean and your mighty Aircraft carrier not went into the because fear of PNS GHAZI (First submarine of the subcontinent), we destroyed Military port of DAWARKA, so get you facts straight kid @cricketrulez


you have no proof either that India had won the 65 war @cricketrulez

Damn. Almost Reached Delhi? are you related Pak science minister by any chance?

 

[Ultima Thule]

None of the technology of India is reverse engineered. Ideas may be taken by looking at how other systems work but other systems are not the basis of Indian systems. Now, ideas are taken by everyone. Even USA took turbojet technology developed by Germany and V2 rockets of Germany.

You admit or not but that's the fact most of your Tej@$$ tech comes from west you would copy and paste it put it the local name on it and suddenly those TECH had been developed by India,can i show you the list of foreign TECH utilized in your mighty Vedic Tej@$$ @Smarana Mitra

Damn. Almost Reached Delhi? are you related Pak science minister by any chance?

Look the distance between gurdaspur and Delhi you fool @cricketrulez

 

[cricketrulez]

You admit or not but that's the fact most of your Tej@$$ tech comes from west you would copy and paste it put it the local name on it and suddenly those TECH had been developed by India,can i show you the list of foreign TECH utilized in your mighty Vedic Tej@$$ @Smarana Mitra


Look the distance between gurdaspur and Delhi you fool @cricketrulez

you almost took Gurdaspur? which is 500km away from delhi and lahore is ~25 km from border

You are special. Special olympic special. Like I said, defnitely related to pak science minister or maybe water car engineer.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=gurdaspur+to+delhi&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

[Ultima Thule]

you almost took Gurdaspur? which is 500km away from delhi and lahore is ~25 km from border

You are special. Special olympic special. Like I said, defnitely related to pak science minister or maybe water car engineer.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=gurdaspur+to+delhi&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Reports for trolling ok i wrong i admit my mistake get lost you pathetic indian you lost war of 65 in battle field,to achieve your main goal/objectives to capture Lahore and your next goal/objective were to divide Pakistan into 2 parts so you did achieve these 2 main goals/objectives so we won 65 war in battle field but lost in dialogue (simla agreement) @cricketrulez

 

[cricketrulez]

Reports for trolling ok i wrong i admit my mistake get lost you pathetic indian you lost war of 65 in battle field,to achieve your main goal/objectives to capture Lahore and your next goal/objective were to divide Pakistan into 2 parts so you did achieve these 2 main goals/objectives so we won 65 war in battle field but lost in dialogue (simla agreement) @cricketrulez

You are just young and uninformed. all of us had been there.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You are just young and uninformed. all of us had been there.

You're troll nothing else and what is the proof that you're there, don't be liar @cricketrulez