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Why was Gandhi killed?

Frankly was there a need to kill Gandhi???
Partition had already taken place and a weak and fragile Gandhi would not have survived for long, nor he could 've influenced anyone, by killing Gandhi he (Godse) achieved nothing. In short it was impetuous!!!
 
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Gandhi's life shows that he did consider Hindus to be morally superior to the muslims. Which is why he insisted that all the sacrifice for "unity" be made by the Hindus and not by the muslims. (e.g. forgiving muslims for the mopilla massacrer in kerala) Which was also why he readily accepted Jinnah (a man who married his unsuspecting friends under-age daughter) as the leader of the muslims even when he did not have any ground support (paper tiger). Its only Gandhi's acceptance of Jinnah which made him into a mass leader.

He preached to the muslims and christians to be "non voilent" but he expected Hindus to act non-violent.

But after getting independence, such "tolerance" to showcase an artificial "unity" was unnecessary and destiny took care of the rest. What happened had to happen...... sooner or later.

PS: The GREAT Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan and Maulana Azad were exceptions in Gandhi's eyes. Jinnah was the Rule.
Personally I don't feel that Abhramic faiths can't co-exist with Indic religion. Abhramic religions(excluding judaism who prefer to be a minority and buy out everyone) want to convert as many as possible and become a majority. Gandhi knew it. He knew Indic religions will become extinct. He only cared about his image and votebank(Not Muslims, just their votes).

If India was unpartitioned, Gandhi and Nehru were undisputed leaders then Hindus would have suffered more. More Hindus would have become victim of riots and terrorism. India would be worse than Afghanistan.

The only victims of partition were South Asian Muslims. So don't get into that victim mentality.
 
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Frankly was there a need to kill Gandhi???
Partition had already taken place and a weak and fragile Gandhi would not have survived for long, nor he could 've influenced anyone, by killing Gandhi he (Godse) achieved nothing. In short it was impetuous!!!

Does hanging a criminal make any sense after he has committed a crime ? Yet all nations and societies used to do it and many still do.

Personally I don't feel that Abhramic faiths can't co-exist with Indic religion. Abhramic religions(excluding judaism who prefer to stay and minority and buy out everyone) want to convert as many as possible and become a majority. Gandhi knew it. He knew Indic religions will become extinct. He only cared about his image and votebank(Not Muslims, just their votes).

If India was unpartitioned, Gandhi and Nehru were undisputed leaders then Hindus would have suffered more. More Hindus would have become victim of riots and terrorism. India would be worse than Afghanistan.

The only victims of partition were South Asian Muslims. So don't get into that victim mentality.

Gandhi cared Only about "Independence" (and HDI associated with it) and everything else was just a tool (for him) to be used to achieve that purpose.

Rest is just speculation. Its pointless.
 
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@Prajapati Gandhi didn't like Muslims. He was scared of us. He got beaten up by Muslim mob in South Africa and that experience haunted him forever. He knew Hindus were cowards.

Some attained supreme level of idiocy n cant be rebutted with any amount of evidence.... You enjoy your chumma dream.....
 
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Gandhi cared Only about "Independence" (and HDI associated with it) and everything else was just a tool (for him) to be used to achieve that purpose.

Rest is just speculation. Its pointless.
My friend. If gandhi wanted to free India he would have done that way long back. He chose to withdrew his successful movements at crucial times. He supported British in both WW1 and WW2(intially before there was an outrage).
 
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gandhi made india a weak country at-least until he was alive , he says if your enemy slaps you on one cheek show him the other. LOL brits would have simply shot this guy if they for one second felt threatened . Our country lost a lot of time and resources bcz of this guy and nehru.

Our people would have continued to live like slaves had they not seen the valor of freedom fighters like bhagat singh and netaji . Its they who made people rise against british empire , to lead people you need a brave & charismatic leader not someone who surrenders even before a fight . Under gandhi we would have been cowards forever .

i don't support what ghodse did , bcz it would have been better if gandhi had lived long enough for people to see through his selfish & cunning motives . Now the seculars made a martyr out of him just like indra gandhi & rajiv gandhi .
 
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Yet history and FACTS shows him to be a free Thinker and rebel. A Newspaper Editor to boot.

Maybe the "Brainwashed" individual is someone who is influnced by "popular" history and stories peddled for the last 50 years. :coffee:

Ahh.. the 'FACTS' yes! I had almost forgotten about them. Now you bring me back to my real senses.

And 'Brainwashed' is every one of those individuals, who supports murder for political milage, however 'NOBLE' a cause one would claim it to be.

Wait - Modi has a Hindutva tilt - does that warrent his termination as well :confused:
 
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My friend. If gandhi wanted to free India he would have done that way long back. He chose to withdrew his successful movements at crucial times. He supported British in both WW1 and WW2(intially before there was an outrage).

You are talking about Gandhi's Strategies and Tactics. He was a great general who knew his own men and his enemy, and in the end we won our Independence.

The final proof of the pudding is in the eating. We are all tasting it today, and its yummy.

Ahh.. the 'FACTS' yes! I had almost forgotten about them. Now you bring me back to my real senses.

And 'Brainwashed' is every one of those individuals, who supports murder for political milage, however 'NOBLE' a cause one would claim it to be.

Wait - Modi has a Hindutva tilt - does that warrent his termination as well :confused:

So Krishna was wrong in advocating "mass murder" for political mileage (Kingdom for the pandavas) ? :cheesy:

Sorry, we Evil Hindus believe otherwise.
 
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Sad but ,Nothing wrong in that.... One side pakistan was attacking our country and other side Gandhi was keeping FAST in favor of pakistan.... No one is above country.
 
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The writer is the editor and translator of Why I write: Essays by Saadat Hasan Manto, published by Westland in 2014. His book, India, Low Trust Society, will be published by Random House

This month we mark the 67th anniversary of the murder of India’s most famous figure. So why exactly did Nathuram Godse kill Gandhi?

After his arrest, he spotted Gandhi’s son Devdas who was editor of Hindustan Times. The encounter was described by Nathuram’s brother and co-conspirator and fellow convict (though he was only jailed and not hanged), Gopal Godse, in his book Gandhiji’s Murder And After. The younger Gandhi has come to the police station in Parliament Street to see his father’s killer. Gopal Godse writes that Devdas “had perhaps come there expecting to find some horrid-looking, blood-thirsty monster, without a trace of politeness; Nathuram’s gentle and clear words and his self-composure were quite inconsistent with what he had expected to see.”

Of course, we do not know if this was the case. Nathuram tells Devdas: “I am Nathuram Vinayak Godse, the editor of a daily, Hindu Rashtra. I too was present there (at Gandhi’s murder). Today you have lost your father and I am the cause of that tragedy. I am very much grieved at the bereavement that has befallen you and the rest of your family. Kindly believe me, I was not prompted to do this with any personal hatred, or any grudge or any evil intention towards you.”

Devdas replies: “Then why did you do it?”

Nathuram says, “The reason is purely political and political alone!” He asks for time to explain his case but the police do not allow this. In court, Nathuram explained himself in a statement, but the court banned it. Gopal Godse reprints Nathuram’s will in an annexure to his book. The last line reads: “If and when the government lifts the ban on my statement made in the court, I authorise you to publish it.”

So what is in that statement? In it Nathuram felt about Gandhi that “the accumulating provocation of 32 years, culminating in his last pro-Muslim fast, at last goaded me to the conclusion that the existence of Gandhi should be brought to an end immediately. Gandhi had done very well in South Africa to uphold the rights and well-being of the Indian community there. But when he finally returned to India he developed a subjective mentality under which he alone was to be the final judge of what was right or wrong. If the country wanted his leadership, it had to accept his infallibility; if it did not, he would stand aloof from the Congress and carry on his own way.”

The other charge is Gandhi helped create Pakistan: “When top leaders of Congress, with the consent of Gandhi, divided and tore the country — which we consider a deity of worship — my mind was filled with direful anger. I bear no ill will towards anyone individually but I do say that I had no respect for the present government owing to their policy which was unfairly favourable towards the Muslims. But at the same time I could clearly see that the policy was entirely due to the presence of Gandhi.”

Nathuram thinks Gandhi was enthusiastic about dividing India when everything in history tells us the case was the opposite. He says Gandhi was a tyrant in Congress but also says Gandhi fasted to get the Congress to see his point of view. Why would a tyrant need to do anything other than just command? Nathuram objects to Gandhi’s final fast (against India’s refusal to release funds to Pakistan), but that was after India went back on its promise. It was Gandhi who made India act correctly and decently in that instance.

Little of what Nathuram says makes sense. It is, contrary to his statement to Devdas, not politics that shaped his actions. It was his hatred of the secular ideology of Gandhi, the true Hindu spirit that he is finally opposed to, having been brainwashed thoroughly by the RSS.

There is no action and no teaching of Gandhi that is exceptionable and this is why his global reputation as a politician has survived the decades intact.

Writing on Gandhi in 1949, George Orwell said: “One may feel, as I do, a sort of aesthetic distaste for Gandhi, one may reject the claims of sainthood made on his behalf (he never made any such claim himself, by the way), one may also reject sainthood as an ideal and therefore feel that Gandhi’s basic aims were anti-human and reactionary: but regarded simply as a politician, and compared with the other leading political figures of our time, how clean a smell he has managed to leave behind!”

This is still the case in 2015, while Nathuram Godse’s complaints have vanished in the mists of time.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 25th, 2015.

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Along with the father of nation he was the father of Muslim appeasement ,but no one can deny his role in the freedom struggle and service to the society,Ghodse should have killed others instead of Ghandhi.

@Prajapati Gandhi didn't like Muslims. He was scared of us. He got beaten up by Muslim mob in South Africa and that experience haunted him forever. He knew Hindus were cowards.
If he were alive he would have saved the Muslim in Gujrat.
 
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Frankly was there a need to kill Gandhi???
Partition had already taken place and a weak and fragile Gandhi would not have survived for long, nor he could 've influenced anyone, by killing Gandhi he (Godse) achieved nothing. In short it was impetuous!!!
Incorrect
He still could have altered/influenced many decisions of GoI which might have caused disastrous consequences for India.
 
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Gandhi ji fasted for INR 55 crore to be given to Pakistan when when the Cabinet decided not to so until Pakistan stopped it's unprovoked attacks in Kashmir. It was a direct help to Pakistan when we were engaged in a war with them.
Have you ever seen a country helping another country with which it is engaged in a war .And have you never seen any private individual capable of reversing the decision of GoI for his individualistic ego.
Please note that i'm in no way justifying what Nathuram Godse did but what i said is an undeniable fact.
 
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Investigations following the murder of Gandhi exposed the conspiracy and all the accused were arrested and chargesheeted. They included Nathuram Vinayak Godse, Narayan Apte, Vishnu Karkare, Gopal Godse, Digambar Badge, Madanlal Pahwa, Dattatreya S Parchure, Shankar Kishtaiyya and Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. They were tried by a special court at Red Fort, convicted and sentenced. VD Savarkar was acquitted; Parchure and Kishtaiyya were acquitted on appeal. Nathuram and Apte were sentenced to death; Gopal, Karkare and Madanlal to life; and Badge was pardoned after he became the approver who exposed the entire plot.

During the period of the Red Fort trial part of the barrack housing, the court had also been designated as prison and all the accused in the Gandhi murder trial were kept there, in close proximity. During the trial Nathuram Godse made several applications seeking orders from the court that the accused be allowed to confer among them, without police interference, in jail. Prison guards were caught smuggling letters in an out of jail and among the prisoners.

This was the time both Savarkar and Nathuram Godse put their heads together and prepared Nathuram’s statement in court with the objective to justify his deed, for the protection of nation and religion. Nathuram Godse had inherited the provocative style of writing from his master Savarkar, Savarkar wrote provocatively, but in sophisticated language, whereas Nathuram wrote in a very provocative, rabid and abusive manner. The statement Nathuram read out bears the hallmark of Savarkar.

The objective of murdering Bapu had been achieved, now he had to be demonised. Nathuram was served up two opportunities and he masterfully utilised both at the Red Fort trial and later in the appeal to the Punjab High Court. Justice GD Khosla who was the chief justice and part of a three-judge bench hearing the appeal, wrote in his memoirs “when Nathuram finished reading his statement in court, not a single eye was dry and not a single throat not choked.” He further wrote that had the audience in the court that day been turned into a jury, they would have exonerated Nathuram Godse and hailed him as a saviour and hero. He also wrote in his memoirs that Nathuram had realised that that day in court was his, that the searchlight was focused on him, and so he played to the gallery. This was the ability of V D Savarkar and he had prepared his favourite pupil and executioner to exploit just such an opportunity, to spread their vicious philosophy of hate and division.

Since the press was present in court, Nathuram’s testimony was recorded and reported. It was filmed too and was shown in many RSS and Hindu Mahasabha shakhas. Then the government woke up and realised how this propaganda of hate was vitiating the atmosphere and the country recovering from the tragedy of partition was once again likely to be torn asunder by this campaign. So the government did what governments generally do: they banned Nathuram’s statement and ‘martyred’ him. For the RSS and Hindu Mahasabha who had spread their tentacles while operating underground and had radicalised many hindus and infiltrated the administrative services, police and armed forces, this was a godsend. Godse’s statement, a cleverly put together patchwork of half-truths and lies gained legitimacy.

Later Gopal Godse, Nathuram’s brother and fellow accused went around preaching hate and misinformation. He published his brother’s statement in court in book form, “May it please your honour” in English and Panchavan koti cha bali (Victim of Rs 55 crore) in Marathi. It was banned, got sympathy and was later freed by the Supreme Court, and the pack of lies became freely available to public.


Non violence movement only delayed our independence from brits.

''राष्ट्रभक्त''नाथूराम गोडसे पिस्तौल चलाना जानता था, लेकिन ग़ुलामी से ऐसा प्रेम था कि किसी अंग्रेज़ को एक कंकड़ भी फेंककर नहीं मारा। जब देश आज़ाद हो गया तो उसका ''हिंदुत्ववादी शौर्य'' जगा और उसने एक ऐसे निहत्थे बूढ़े की छाती पर तीन गोलियाँ दाग़ दीं, जो सुबह-शाम रामधु गाता था, जो आज भी दुनिया का सबसे बङे शान्ति दूत हैं!!!

[ 'Rashtrbhakt' Nathuram Godse knew how to use pistol but loved slavery so much that he never threw a pebble on Britishers. When the Country became Free his 'Hindu Sentiments' woke up and he shot an old, unarmed man three times who is still the world's highest respected ambassador of peace !!! ]
 
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Gandhi ji fasted for INR 55 crore to be given to Pakistan when when the Cabinet decided not to so until Pakistan stopped it's unprovoked attacks in Kashmir. It was a direct help to Pakistan when we were engaged in a war with them.
Have you ever seen a country helping another country with which it is engaged in a war .And have you never seen any private individual capable of reversing the decision of GoI for his individualistic ego.
Please note that i'm in no way justifying what Nathuram Godse did but what i said is an undeniable fact.

You've to be a Gandhi lover to be patriotic!

You've to be a Gandhi follower to believe in secular ethos!

You've to disregard godse or else you are an anti national!

You've to agree that Gandhi was the Supreme freedom fighter who bought us independence so must ever be indebted to him!

You've to concede that Gandhi's unwavering support to pakistan was on humanitarian grounds or else you don't know history.

And last but not the least

You've to concede that it was hindutvawadis and their fascist organizations which is a blot on the image of India as a whole that led to the demise of one of the greatest souls who've walked on the surface of this planet or else you are yet another fascist communal modi supporter turd!


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