Why was Gandhi killed?

[asad71]

It is frightening for Muslims to see that Modi, Amit Shah, Ajit Duval and the powerful in BJP/GOI all belong to the same stream that had produced Godse.

 

[blood]

Explain!

his holier that thou attitude would have taken india in a drain

we required a leadership that could take practical decisions , we saw how saint anthony put defence ministry in a mess or an I K Gujral & morarji desai compromised our national security . We don't need these self righteous fools .

gandhi was equivalent to at least ten times of an anthony .

 

[magudi]

his holier that thou attitude would have taken india in a drain

we required a leadership that could take practical decisions , we saw how saint anthony put defence ministry in a mess or an I K Gujral & morarji desai compromised our national security . We don't need these self righteous fools .

gandhi was equivalent to at least ten times of an anthony .

Forgot nehru's forward fallacy?

 

[Prajapati]

Investigations following the murder of Gandhi exposed the conspiracy and all the accused were arrested and chargesheeted. They included Nathuram Vinayak Godse, Narayan Apte, Vishnu Karkare, Gopal Godse, Digambar Badge, Madanlal Pahwa, Dattatreya S Parchure, Shankar Kishtaiyya and Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. They were tried by a special court at Red Fort, convicted and sentenced. VD Savarkar was acquitted; Parchure and Kishtaiyya were acquitted on appeal. Nathuram and Apte were sentenced to death; Gopal, Karkare and Madanlal to life; and Badge was pardoned after he became the approver who exposed the entire plot.

During the period of the Red Fort trial part of the barrack housing, the court had also been designated as prison and all the accused in the Gandhi murder trial were kept there, in close proximity. During the trial Nathuram Godse made several applications seeking orders from the court that the accused be allowed to confer among them, without police interference, in jail. Prison guards were caught smuggling letters in an out of jail and among the prisoners.

This was the time both Savarkar and Nathuram Godse put their heads together and prepared Nathuram’s statement in court with the objective to justify his deed, for the protection of nation and religion. Nathuram Godse had inherited the provocative style of writing from his master Savarkar, Savarkar wrote provocatively, but in sophisticated language, whereas Nathuram wrote in a very provocative, rabid and abusive manner. The statement Nathuram read out bears the hallmark of Savarkar.

The objective of murdering Bapu had been achieved, now he had to be demonised. Nathuram was served up two opportunities and he masterfully utilised both at the Red Fort trial and later in the appeal to the Punjab High Court. Justice GD Khosla who was the chief justice and part of a three-judge bench hearing the appeal, wrote in his memoirs “when Nathuram finished reading his statement in court, not a single eye was dry and not a single throat not choked.” He further wrote that had the audience in the court that day been turned into a jury, they would have exonerated Nathuram Godse and hailed him as a saviour and hero. He also wrote in his memoirs that Nathuram had realised that that day in court was his, that the searchlight was focused on him, and so he played to the gallery. This was the ability of V D Savarkar and he had prepared his favourite pupil and executioner to exploit just such an opportunity, to spread their vicious philosophy of hate and division.

Since the press was present in court, Nathuram’s testimony was recorded and reported. It was filmed too and was shown in many RSS and Hindu Mahasabha shakhas. Then the government woke up and realised how this propaganda of hate was vitiating the atmosphere and the country recovering from the tragedy of partition was once again likely to be torn asunder by this campaign. So the government did what governments generally do: they banned Nathuram’s statement and ‘martyred’ him. For the RSS and Hindu Mahasabha who had spread their tentacles while operating underground and had radicalised many hindus and infiltrated the administrative services, police and armed forces, this was a godsend. Godse’s statement, a cleverly put together patchwork of half-truths and lies gained legitimacy.

Later Gopal Godse, Nathuram’s brother and fellow accused went around preaching hate and misinformation. He published his brother’s statement in court in book form, “May it please your honour” in English and Panchavan koti cha bali (Victim of Rs 55 crore) in Marathi. It was banned, got sympathy and was later freed by the Supreme Court, and the pack of lies became freely available to public.

''राष्ट्रभक्त''नाथूराम गोडसे पिस्तौल चलाना जानता था, लेकिन ग़ुलामी से ऐसा प्रेम था कि किसी अंग्रेज़ को एक कंकड़ भी फेंककर नहीं मारा। जब देश आज़ाद हो गया तो उसका ''हिंदुत्ववादी शौर्य'' जगा और उसने एक ऐसे निहत्थे बूढ़े की छाती पर तीन गोलियाँ दाग़ दीं, जो सुबह-शाम रामधु गाता था, जो आज भी दुनिया का सबसे बङे शान्ति दूत हैं!!!

[ 'Rashtrbhakt' Nathuram Godse knew how to use pistol but loved slavery so much that he never threw a pebble on Britishers. When the Country became Free his 'Hindu Sentiments' woke up and he shot an old, unarmed man three times who is still the world's highest respected ambassador of peace !!! ]

LOL.

Let me get this straight. We should not believe Nathuram Godse confession recorded in court, but we have to blindly swallow your wild Conspiracy theory ? ..........cool story.

 

[magudi]

It is frightening for Muslims to see that Modi, Amit Shah, Ajit Duval and the powerful in BJP/GOI all belong to the same stream that had produced Godse.

Well looks like it's not just Indian Muslims but those Muslims on East and west are also scared

 

[Prajapati]

It is frightening for Muslims to see that Modi, Amit Shah, Ajit Duval and the powerful in BJP/GOI all belong to the same stream that had produced Godse.

Don't soil your pants. Use diaper.

 

[magudi]

Don't soil your pants. Use diaper.

Don't bother kamre ka sher h woh, from the jamaiti camp - just venting out his fumes of frustration seeing haseena at helm here in our boards

 

[Indo-guy]

To me it was Gandhi ji who sow the seeds of todays khoongressi version of secularism..... I have read few articles about Gandhi ji kept a mum or even mocked Hindu victims of mopllah riots ... I have read the book "I didn't kill Gandhi" by godse brothers wherein Godse also highlighted the same. Rest I consider godse a murderer not a deshbhaqt .....

While congress and rest of the country was celebrating independence in delhi, gandhiji was toiling in begal, bihar to stop the conflagration that happened in aftermath of partition ....he singlehandedly moved like a haunted man to bring peace in riots ravaged country without the any regard for his life . that is the truth many people forget .

 

[Indo-guy]

LOL.

Let me get this straight. We should not believe Nathuram Godse confession recorded in court, but we have to blindly swallow your wild Conspiracy theory ? ..........cool story.

How is that godse was able to give such an eloquent statement after killing gandhiji....why he did not use his eloquence to shatter the so called myth as well as dictatorship of gandhi?

Did he have no belief and confidence in the cause he espoused for ?

Is that the way to silence a so called wrong voice ?

If we agree with what nathuram godse did then we have to accept that only way to deal with
dissent or opposing view point that is wrong is to just kill the person ?

It would have been better if nathuram godse had used his eloquence to silence the nation than the court room . that would have been the true victory over gandhi and his philosophy . but neither godse had conviction nor moral strength to fight gandhi at ideaological level. He chose easy way out ...and that was to fire bullets in a frail body . he inly killed gandhiji phyisically....he failed to kill the thought and idea of gandhiji....


Nathuram godse is no different from rhose islamic terrorists who kill people who they do not like ..
There is no place for such tribe of people in democracy that india is !

 

[Levina]

Gandhi ji fasted for INR 55 crore to be given to Pakistan when when the Cabinet decided not to so until Pakistan stopped it's unprovoked attacks in Kashmir. It was a direct help to Pakistan when we were engaged in a war with them.
Have you ever seen a country helping another country with which it is engaged in a war .And have you never seen any private individual capable of reversing the decision of GoI for his individualistic ego.
Please note that i'm in no way justifying what Nathuram Godse did but what i said is an undeniable fact.

Lets take an example of Nelson Madela.....
was he able to change his country after he came out from jail??? In my opinion NO.
Gandhi was a popular figure albeit he had limited ability to govern. He simply didn't possess the political acumen to run a fledgling nation and would 've been quietly removed in favor of more pragmatic elements.
You do know that around the time we got independence, ppl had already begun to disobey Gandhi.

About the 55 crores that Gandhi fasted for then let me tell you that was NOT the reason Gandhi was killed. Gandhi was attacked 6 six times before that and Godse was involved in two previous attempts. When the unsuccessful attempts of 1934, 1944 and 1946 were made the proposal regarding the partition and the matter regarding release of Rs. 55 crore to Pakistan were not in existence at all.

his holier that thou attitude would have taken india in a drain

we required a leadership that could take practical decisions , we saw how saint anthony put defence ministry in a mess or an I K Gujral & morarji desai compromised our national security . We don't need these self righteous fools .

gandhi was equivalent to at least ten times of an anthony .

what made you conclude that I support Gandhi's ideology?

It would have been better if nathuram godse had used his eloquence to silence the nation than the court room . that would have been the true victory over gandhi and his philosophy . but neither godse had conviction nor moral strength to fight gandhi at ideaological level. He chose easy way out ...and that was to fire bullets in a frail body . he inly killed gandhiji phyisically....he failed to kill the thought and idea of gandhiji....
Nathuram godse is no different from rhose islamic terrorists who kill people who they do not like ..
There is no place for such tribe of people in democracy that india is !

You're right, Nathuram godse had attacked Gandhi ji twice before that incident and I read somewhere that Gandhiji had invited Godse for discussions but the later did not avail of this opportunity given to him

 

[Lord ZeN]

You do know that around the time we got independence, ppl had already begun to disobey Gandhi.
About the 55 crores that Gandhi fasted for then let me tell you that was NOT the reason Gandhi was killed. Gandhi was attacked 6 six times before that and Godse was involved in two previous attempts. When the unsuccessful attempts of 1934, 1944 and 1946 were made the proposal regarding the partition and the matter regarding release of Rs. 55 crore to Pakistan were not in existence at all.

I know that there were many attempts on Gandhi ji's life & also 55 crores was an non- issue for Godse. I was just pointing out "how he could have altered/influenced many decisions of GoI which might have caused disastrous consequences for India" with the an example which you asked me to "Explain".

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The writer is the editor and translator of Why I write: Essays by Saadat Hasan Manto, published by Westland in 2014. His book, India, Low Trust Society, will be published by Random House

This month we mark the 67th anniversary of the murder of India’s most famous figure. So why exactly did Nathuram Godse kill Gandhi?

After his arrest, he spotted Gandhi’s son Devdas who was editor of Hindustan Times. The encounter was described by Nathuram’s brother and co-conspirator and fellow convict (though he was only jailed and not hanged), Gopal Godse, in his book Gandhiji’s Murder And After. The younger Gandhi has come to the police station in Parliament Street to see his father’s killer. Gopal Godse writes that Devdas “had perhaps come there expecting to find some horrid-looking, blood-thirsty monster, without a trace of politeness; Nathuram’s gentle and clear words and his self-composure were quite inconsistent with what he had expected to see.”

Of course, we do not know if this was the case. Nathuram tells Devdas: “I am Nathuram Vinayak Godse, the editor of a daily, Hindu Rashtra. I too was present there (at Gandhi’s murder). Today you have lost your father and I am the cause of that tragedy. I am very much grieved at the bereavement that has befallen you and the rest of your family. Kindly believe me, I was not prompted to do this with any personal hatred, or any grudge or any evil intention towards you.”

Devdas replies: “Then why did you do it?”

Nathuram says, “The reason is purely political and political alone!” He asks for time to explain his case but the police do not allow this. In court, Nathuram explained himself in a statement, but the court banned it. Gopal Godse reprints Nathuram’s will in an annexure to his book. The last line reads: “If and when the government lifts the ban on my statement made in the court, I authorise you to publish it.”

So what is in that statement? In it Nathuram felt about Gandhi that “the accumulating provocation of 32 years, culminating in his last pro-Muslim fast, at last goaded me to the conclusion that the existence of Gandhi should be brought to an end immediately. Gandhi had done very well in South Africa to uphold the rights and well-being of the Indian community there. But when he finally returned to India he developed a subjective mentality under which he alone was to be the final judge of what was right or wrong. If the country wanted his leadership, it had to accept his infallibility; if it did not, he would stand aloof from the Congress and carry on his own way.”

The other charge is Gandhi helped create Pakistan: “When top leaders of Congress, with the consent of Gandhi, divided and tore the country — which we consider a deity of worship — my mind was filled with direful anger. I bear no ill will towards anyone individually but I do say that I had no respect for the present government owing to their policy which was unfairly favourable towards the Muslims. But at the same time I could clearly see that the policy was entirely due to the presence of Gandhi.”

Nathuram thinks Gandhi was enthusiastic about dividing India when everything in history tells us the case was the opposite. He says Gandhi was a tyrant in Congress but also says Gandhi fasted to get the Congress to see his point of view. Why would a tyrant need to do anything other than just command? Nathuram objects to Gandhi’s final fast (against India’s refusal to release funds to Pakistan), but that was after India went back on its promise. It was Gandhi who made India act correctly and decently in that instance.

Little of what Nathuram says makes sense. It is, contrary to his statement to Devdas, not politics that shaped his actions. It was his hatred of the secular ideology of Gandhi, the true Hindu spirit that he is finally opposed to, having been brainwashed thoroughly by the RSS.

There is no action and no teaching of Gandhi that is exceptionable and this is why his global reputation as a politician has survived the decades intact.

Writing on Gandhi in 1949, George Orwell said: “One may feel, as I do, a sort of aesthetic distaste for Gandhi, one may reject the claims of sainthood made on his behalf (he never made any such claim himself, by the way), one may also reject sainthood as an ideal and therefore feel that Gandhi’s basic aims were anti-human and reactionary: but regarded simply as a politician, and compared with the other leading political figures of our time, how clean a smell he has managed to leave behind!”

This is still the case in 2015, while Nathuram Godse’s complaints have vanished in the mists of time.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 25th, 2015.

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We will never know why Godse killed Gandhi. Because the trial was held in-camera and the details are kept secret TO THIS DAY.

The assertions made here is an example of creative writing. But it still is fiction. We don't know almost anything about 'Nathuram Godse's complaints'.

Nathuram was another brainwashed intolerant individual, just like the modern day Islamist terrorists.

Easy to say. His act was an act of terror, but he was very unlike modern Islamist terrorist.
He chose a particular target and harmed no one else. Also, he surrendered voluntarily. Islamist terrorist attack people indiscriminately. Major difference.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Some @$$hole whose only contribution to the country was to kill a man who lived to liberate his people. Bhakt @$$holes whose right wing organizations made absolutely no contribution to Indian independence come with exotic defences of hisged actions as well new theories about Indian independence. Useless thread. WE should not just have hand Godse, we should have hanged him with piano wires and recorded it for viewing pleasure of posterity.

@Prajapati Gandhi didn't like Muslims. He was scared of us. He got beaten up by Muslim mob in South Africa and that experience haunted him forever. He knew Hindus were cowards.

Goddamn false flagger.

 

[doppelganger]

His act was an act of terror

Respectfully disagree.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Non violence movement only delayed our independence from brits.

We did not gain independence from the British. They gave it too us when we had become a liability. We did not win it, we were given it to us as alms. Natually it was on THEIR terms. THEY divided the country, because they had the right. THEY passed the Independence Acts. So the history taught to us is bogus - our Independence struggle failed.The Brits left due to bad economic situation and defaulting on American loans. Not because our satyagraha was very effective(which it was not).

Goddamn false flagger.

He is not a false flagger. He is from India.
Also what he says is true...partly. He did not hate Muslims. But he believed that Hindus are indeed cowards. He has made multiple statements to that effect.