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Why the West must learn from China, not try to change or destroy it
  • Tensions stem from the fact China’s economic success and modernisation do not conform to beliefs derived from the evolution of Western modernisation
  • If Western critics can be guided by a spirit of cooperation and engagement, there will be no need to fear a rising China
Li Xing
Published: 3:00am, 7 Jul, 2020
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President Xi Jinping, centre, attends the opening session of the National People's Congress at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on May 22. US ruling elites have never really made any effort to study how the Chinese political system is constructed. Photo: AP

Time magazine’s cover on November 13, 2017 stated in both Chinese and English, “China Won.” Ian Bremmer wrote in the cover story that, “As recently as five years ago, there was consensus that China would one day need fundamental political reform for the state to maintain its legitimacy and that China could not sustain its state capitalist system. Today China’s political and economic system is better equipped and perhaps even more sustainable than the American model.”

In its 70th Summit in December 2019, Nato issued the London Declaration. It said, “China's growing influence and international policies present both opportunities and challenges that we need to address together as an alliance.” This was the first time in the organisation’s history that its summit listed China as an independent topic in the joint declaration.

In February, the 56th Munich Security Conference took place with a peculiar topic – “Westlessness”. It suggested a crisis of identity and existence in Western countries and a sense of uncertainty about the extent of the West’s global relevance in the age of a rising China and multipolar world order.

While the world witnesses China-US conflicts across a range of domains, America’s fear of China’s economic competitiveness and technological advance is not the essence of the problem. Rather, it lies in the fact the outcome of China’s economic success and modernisation does not conform to a set of beliefs in the West derived from the historical evolution of Western modernisation.

These beliefs assume several presumed causal relationships in which economic modernisation eventually leads a country into stages of secularisation, a plural society, political competition and electoral democracy.

US ruling elites have never really made any effort to study how the Chinese political system is constructed and how political meritocracy, party-state dual leadership, the policymaking process, civil servant selection and evaluation, the party-population linkage, and more, actually function.

It is wrong to assume that authoritarian political systems and governance models are static by nature. On the contrary, China’s history since 1949 shows its party-state system has had to adapt to survive.

The Chinese system has a certain resilience after decades of learning and modifying. It is historically shaped and culturally unique, and is not meant to replace the Western model of liberal and electoral democracy. We should neither romanticise nor demonise the Chinese model.

China’s success does not have universal relevance, but it shows that non-Western alternatives to development and modernisation do exist. Indeed, the Chinese model is a tempting option for many developing countries.

Does Westlessness also imply restlessness? Restlessness, here, refers to a sentiment of deep disappointment over the loss of a “West-like” China. It can also be called the “China syndrome”, characterised as a mixture of psychological anxiety and emphatic demonisation.

In recent decades, either fascination or irritation with China has influenced Western scholarship and journalism. It often produces abrupt sentiments, from excessive approval and unqualified optimism to unwarranted revulsion and deep pessimism.

Will China be a destructive or constructive world power? A status quo or a revisionist one? A force for continuity or change? China has long been a source of fascination and opportunity, as well as uncertainties and disturbance for the US-led world order.

Early Western missionaries failed in their efforts to convert China into a Christian nation. In its own history of civilisation, China was once conquered and ruled for centuries by powerful minority groups such as the Mongols and the Manchus.

They tried to change China’s fundamental character but were themselves later changed and Sinicised. Those in the West must learn to deal with China’s rise outside the frameworks with which they are familiar and comfortable.

How will the West meet the challenges ahead? Much of the answer can be found in Norwegian Foreign Minister Ine Eriksen Soreide’s remarks to the Leangkollen Security Conference in February. Her speech was titled, “The China Challenge: Remaking the Landscape of Transatlantic Security.”

She said: “We should not overestimate China’s influence on transatlantic cohesion. But nor should we underestimate its impact on international peace and security. Power shifts bring both opportunities and challenges …

“In line with its size and power, China will seek to shape international norms and institutions in its image, just as other great powers have done before it. And as a result of its economy, size, military power and technology, it will continue to evolve as a serious contender to US and Western power.”

She added: “These and a range of other examples show the benefits of coexistence and cooperation with major rising powers. Inevitably, there will be competition, disagreement and also the potential for conflicts.

“But I firmly believe that vigilance and engagement within the framework of a strong multilateral system is the answer. Containment, confrontation and decoupling are not.”

If the West can be guided by this kind of spirit and mindset, Westlessness will be a false consciousness and there will be no need to feel restless.

Professor Li Xing is director of the Research Centre on Development and International Relations, Department of Politics and Society, at Aalborg University, Denmark
 
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The issue is human freedom. The USA can never fully trust a nation that denies human freedom. At least, it can't as long as the people of the USA have freedom. If that changes, then China's model may be the next best structure as long as the ruling elites are competent, Plato's vision of philosopher kings. Of course, that has always been the problem of human elites. They may start out competent but, then, usually due to nepotism, descend in to an oppressive oligarchy that loses the respect of the governed.
 
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First you need to define what you mean by freedom. Freedom to different people means different things.
 
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The issue is human freedom. The USA can never fully trust a nation that denies human freedom. At least, it can't as long as the people of the USA have freedom. If that changes, then China's model may be the next best structure as long as the ruling elites are competent, Plato's vision of philosopher kings. Of course, that has always been the problem of human elites. They may start out competent but, then, usually due to nepotism, descend in to an oppressive oligarchy that loses the respect of the governed.

Can you explain to me how your freedom allows Alcatel to place ownership on an idea that exists only in the head of an employee?

In 2004 a court in Texas ordered a former Alcatel employee to give his former employer a software algorithm — which existed entirely in his mind. The idea, which he was still working on and was still too abstract and incomplete to be a patentable invention, was nevertheless deemed the property of Alcatel, forcing the ex-employee to turn over the algorithm in the months after he was fired.

Can you explain to me why in the US, employees have no right to their own intellectual property, while in many other countries, employers must compensate employees for their intellectual creations?

Moreover, unlike other high-patenting countries like Germany, Finland, Japan and China, which require businesses to pay the inventor who assigns an invention to them, American intellectual property law lacks any requirements that employers compensate employees for the fruits of their creative labors above their regular salary.

Do you believe that this sort of model leads to greater innovation, individual initiative and freedom?
 
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The West wants to change and destroy their enemies. They succeeded with the Soviet Union, iraq...
China does not fall into this trap.
 
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They may start out competent but, then, usually due to nepotism, descend in to an oppressive oligarchy that loses the respect of the governed.

I think the CPC has done well. From a war torn, bankrupt country in 1949 to the 2nd largest GDP in one generation. How they have done this is through continuous change, by being pragmatic and results orientated. Good results are rewarded and bad results are kicked out. The cat that catches the mice is the good cat. Doesn't matter if its black or white. The proof is in the pudding. The results justify the means.

The Western electoral democracy on the other hand has reach its level of incompetency. The republicans and the democrats dinosaurs are stuck in they respective ideology, unable to change. Each party claim credit for any good results and blame the other for any bad results. The party in opposition constantly undermine the party in power. The role is reverse once the party switch places.
The electoral process is infiltrated by interest groups, military industrial complex, money politics and constant bickering that does not benefit the country. The entire electoral process is very insulting to intelligent people.
 
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Why the West must learn from China, not try to change or destroy it
  • Tensions stem from the fact China’s economic success and modernisation do not conform to beliefs derived from the evolution of Western modernisation
  • If Western critics can be guided by a spirit of cooperation and engagement, there will be no need to fear a rising China
Li Xing
Published: 3:00am, 7 Jul, 2020
c5d3fb30-be94-11ea-b64b-070a892763db_image_hires_041630.jpg

President Xi Jinping, centre, attends the opening session of the National People's Congress at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on May 22. US ruling elites have never really made any effort to study how the Chinese political system is constructed. Photo: AP

Time magazine’s cover on November 13, 2017 stated in both Chinese and English, “China Won.” Ian Bremmer wrote in the cover story that, “As recently as five years ago, there was consensus that China would one day need fundamental political reform for the state to maintain its legitimacy and that China could not sustain its state capitalist system. Today China’s political and economic system is better equipped and perhaps even more sustainable than the American model.”

In its 70th Summit in December 2019, Nato issued the London Declaration. It said, “China's growing influence and international policies present both opportunities and challenges that we need to address together as an alliance.” This was the first time in the organisation’s history that its summit listed China as an independent topic in the joint declaration.

In February, the 56th Munich Security Conference took place with a peculiar topic – “Westlessness”. It suggested a crisis of identity and existence in Western countries and a sense of uncertainty about the extent of the West’s global relevance in the age of a rising China and multipolar world order.

While the world witnesses China-US conflicts across a range of domains, America’s fear of China’s economic competitiveness and technological advance is not the essence of the problem. Rather, it lies in the fact the outcome of China’s economic success and modernisation does not conform to a set of beliefs in the West derived from the historical evolution of Western modernisation.

These beliefs assume several presumed causal relationships in which economic modernisation eventually leads a country into stages of secularisation, a plural society, political competition and electoral democracy.

US ruling elites have never really made any effort to study how the Chinese political system is constructed and how political meritocracy, party-state dual leadership, the policymaking process, civil servant selection and evaluation, the party-population linkage, and more, actually function.

It is wrong to assume that authoritarian political systems and governance models are static by nature. On the contrary, China’s history since 1949 shows its party-state system has had to adapt to survive.

The Chinese system has a certain resilience after decades of learning and modifying. It is historically shaped and culturally unique, and is not meant to replace the Western model of liberal and electoral democracy. We should neither romanticise nor demonise the Chinese model.

China’s success does not have universal relevance, but it shows that non-Western alternatives to development and modernisation do exist. Indeed, the Chinese model is a tempting option for many developing countries.

Does Westlessness also imply restlessness? Restlessness, here, refers to a sentiment of deep disappointment over the loss of a “West-like” China. It can also be called the “China syndrome”, characterised as a mixture of psychological anxiety and emphatic demonisation.

In recent decades, either fascination or irritation with China has influenced Western scholarship and journalism. It often produces abrupt sentiments, from excessive approval and unqualified optimism to unwarranted revulsion and deep pessimism.

Will China be a destructive or constructive world power? A status quo or a revisionist one? A force for continuity or change? China has long been a source of fascination and opportunity, as well as uncertainties and disturbance for the US-led world order.

Early Western missionaries failed in their efforts to convert China into a Christian nation. In its own history of civilisation, China was once conquered and ruled for centuries by powerful minority groups such as the Mongols and the Manchus.

They tried to change China’s fundamental character but were themselves later changed and Sinicised. Those in the West must learn to deal with China’s rise outside the frameworks with which they are familiar and comfortable.

How will the West meet the challenges ahead? Much of the answer can be found in Norwegian Foreign Minister Ine Eriksen Soreide’s remarks to the Leangkollen Security Conference in February. Her speech was titled, “The China Challenge: Remaking the Landscape of Transatlantic Security.”

She said: “We should not overestimate China’s influence on transatlantic cohesion. But nor should we underestimate its impact on international peace and security. Power shifts bring both opportunities and challenges …

“In line with its size and power, China will seek to shape international norms and institutions in its image, just as other great powers have done before it. And as a result of its economy, size, military power and technology, it will continue to evolve as a serious contender to US and Western power.”

She added: “These and a range of other examples show the benefits of coexistence and cooperation with major rising powers. Inevitably, there will be competition, disagreement and also the potential for conflicts.

“But I firmly believe that vigilance and engagement within the framework of a strong multilateral system is the answer. Containment, confrontation and decoupling are not.”

If the West can be guided by this kind of spirit and mindset, Westlessness will be a false consciousness and there will be no need to feel restless.

Professor Li Xing is director of the Research Centre on Development and International Relations, Department of Politics and Society, at Aalborg University, Denmark
CN has Nothing to learn.

After begging help from JP in 1978 for money and support ( despite Jap massacred 10 millions Cnese in ww2), there r still 600 millions poor starving Cnese earning less than 140 usd/month, plus 205 millions Cnese jobless.

CN economy hasn't collapse yet just bcs US hasn't slap 50% tariff to all Cnese products. Idiot Trump cancelled TPP giving CN a chance to avoid economic collapse, not bcs CN economy is good enough to survive.
 
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It's weird to me to see all the China hate. They've done far more to uplift their people and continue to do so.

I don't necessarily agree with every decision the PRC government makes, but given a choice I'd rather not choose the "freedom" to starve and die of preventable disease. No country has absolute freedom and it's silly to think the Chinese have none.
 
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CN has Nothing to learn.

After begging help from JP in 1978 for money and support ( despite Jap massacred 10 millions Cnese in ww2), there r still 600 millions poor starving Cnese earning less than 140 usd/month, plus 205 millions Cnese jobless.

CN economy hasn't collapse yet just bcs US hasn't slap 50% tariff to all Cnese products. Idiot Trump cancelled TPP giving CN a chance to avoid economic collapse, not bcs CN economy is good enough to survive.
Comrade Viva_Viet. Heaven is smiling on East Asia. We East Asians should stop bickering and unite. Spread Confucius teaching throughout the world and bring peace and harmony to all under heaven.
 
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Comrade Viva_Viet. Heaven is smiling on East Asia. We East Asians should stop bickering and unite. Spread Confucius teaching throughout the world and bring peace and harmony to all under heaven.
Actually thats what I want, thats why I created a thread talking abt Confucius.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/conf...-about-the-thought-of-confucius.673213/page-3

But most of Cnese now r shortsighted ppl "thanks" to anti Confucius campaign during Culture revolution, so actually Cnese now is just like barbarians, not smart ppl from civilized nation anymore.
 
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The issue is human freedom. The USA can never fully trust a nation that denies human freedom. At least, it can't as long as the people of the USA have freedom. If that changes, then China's model may be the next best structure as long as the ruling elites are competent, Plato's vision of philosopher kings. Of course, that has always been the problem of human elites. They may start out competent but, then, usually due to nepotism, descend in to an oppressive oligarchy that loses the respect of the governed.

What 'FREEDOM' do you mean?

Freedom like this
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Versus this
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2020

That's your definition of Freedom?
 
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Perhaps no human being anywhere, even Bill Gates, has TOTAL freedom. But a normal citizen of the USA has more personal freedom than does the normal citizen of any other nation. Freedom to live as he is able, given his talents and accumulated wisdom. Unfortunately, American freedom is steadily decreasing as totalitarian and socialistic ideas gain credence among more and more Americans. I believe a majority of Americans now value being taken care of by their government over their personal freedom. Under these circumstances of American decline, I am fortunate to have lived most of my life already, and so will not live to see the freedom of an American reduced to the level, say, of a citizen of Communist-controlled China. Those of you who doubt my freedom have experienced so little of your own, you cannot understand mine.
 
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