Why the Next Pearl Harbor Could Happen in Space

[gambit]

It's unlikely that China want to start war with US as Japan did, we rather want to use US method as it has done to subdue and take over England peacefully. Japan might be the military power in WW2 but made the wrong choice to fight everyones :China, Russia, France, England and US. China will not make such mistake.

Yes, you WILL.

It is practically inevitable that China will make a strategic mistake in underestimating US. You done it before and you will do it again.

Anything can be happen If there is any war , it's laughable that Americans want to draw a red line on space to protect their asset, tha's certainly not the sign to deter China ASAT progam.

What is so 'laughable' about it ? It is only 'laughable' in terms of you trying to project a good face for China when you are given an argument that clearly put your China at several disadvantages in space: technical, tactical, and strategic.

Anti-satellite ? The real 'laughable' thing here is that you somehow thinks this is about 'deterring' China's ASAT program. This is not about 'deterring' China's ASAT program but about making that program difficult to execute.

Buddy...The best defense against anything is to meet that thing in its operating environment. That is why we have aircraft against aircraft. The missile against aircraft proved to be an inadequate response. That is why we have ship against ship. Coastal defense against ships have never deterred incursions by ships. Being in orbit gives the greatest flexibility in terms of going after orbital targets.

The X-37's long duration in orbit proved at least one thing: That we can station a weapon in orbit that can be used at any time against any other orbital bodies. Unlike surveillance platforms where 're-tasking' is generally avoided due to fuel issues, the X-37's mission is not surveillance but to be mobile.

Unlike movie depictions of re-assigning a surveillance satellite's task to a new one, aka 're-tasking', where new information came quickly, re-tasking a satellite takes days of planning.

- Where is the new surveillance target in relation to the current one ?

- Can the satellite's sensors still be usable at the new surveillance site since there will be new angular displacements ?

- What is the estimated fuel consumption ? This issue is sensitive since re-tasking a satellite assume that the satellite will be returning to its original surveillance task, so if there is not enough fuel for the return, the re-tasking request will be denied.

The X-37 as an orbital platform do not have these inherent limitations. It is a smaller version of the Space Shuttle, which was a transporter, going from point to point. It does not have to remain at any point for any mission. Unlike a surveillance satellite where re-tasking is an abnormality, re-tasking the X-37 was designed in.

Your leadership is not as limited in thinking as you guys are in this forum. They know that if the X-37 is an ASAT platform, all of China's space assets are in greater danger than US space assets are from China's ground based ASAT methods.

 

[1R0N_M4N_XL]

There won't be a Pearl Harbor. There won't be a scenario in which the US destroys China and itself emerges unscathed.

The US would be left in ruins as much, if not more than, as China did.

"Pearly Harbor" scenario assumes ultimate US superiority. But there is no such thing anymore in real life. Can Washington ever dream of bringing a Pearl Harbor on Moscow without itself being leveled to the ground with no vegetation for the next several decades?



China has developed nukes much earlier than that. So, yes, China recognized the threat much earlier and did all it could. But, capability build-up does not happen over night. It is not easy to rise from the ashes of colonization, invasion, civil war and an absolutely non-existent national infrastructure as early as 70 years ago.

sorry i have yet to see one credible military expert can support your claims.

1)it takes 2 hrs for china to launch nukes.
2) it can't reach the mainland U.S.A... west california by subs.
3) one warhead per missile
4)china only has 450-600 warheads.
5)it won't get pass us missile defense shield....
6)I can't imagine russia not retaliating, if chinese nukes flew over russian airspace.

china hypersonic missile wu-14 is still on testing stage & not mass produce yet.

 

[TaiShang]

sorry i have yet to see one credible military expert can support your claims.

1)it takes 2 hrs for china to launch nukes.
2) it can't reach the mainland U.S.A... west california by subs.
3) one warhead per missile
4)china only has 450-600 warheads.
5)it won't get pass us missile defense shield....
6)I can't imagine russia not retaliating, if chinese nukes flew over russian airspace.

china hypersonic missile wu-14 is still on testing stage & not mass produce yet.

Then you are free to give it a try now that you hold all the cards.

After all, nuclear ambiguity policy is intended for regimes like yours.

 

[jhungary]

Then you are free to give it a try now that you hold all the cards.

After all, nuclear ambiguity policy is intended for regimes like yours.

like @Hamartia Antidote Said

If you think the Chinese Plan is that fool proof, why don't you try it on US first and see how far it goes?

Afterall, louding off but no action is intended for a regimes like yours

LOL

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

like @Hamartia Antidote Said

If you think the Chinese Plan is that fool proof, why don't you try it on US first and see how far it goes?

Afterall, louding off but no action is intended for a regimes like yours

LOL

I think there is plenty of opportunity for both to "make the first try" especially when China and US are head to collision course, this will be the test of ultimate game of chicken.

 

[jhungary]

I think there is plenty of opportunity for both to "make the first try" especially when China and US are head to collision course, this will be the test of ultimate game of chicken.

Well, I am just tired of all this smack talk.....

Like you are going to a heavy weight title fight and the two boxer only talk about who throwing the first punch all the way. I bought the ticket damnit, I demand some action.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Well, I am just tired of all this smack talk.....

Like you are going to a heavy weight title fight and the two boxer only talk about who throwing the first punch all the way. I bought the ticket damnit, I demand some action.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

like @Hamartia Antidote Said

If you think the Chinese Plan is that fool proof, why don't you try it on US first and see how far it goes?

Afterall, louding off but no action is intended for a regimes like yours

LOL

Sorry, haven't been following this thread. But all those Minuteman launches to Kwajalein Atoll lately makes me think they are testing something like that Darpa TIMU. They are certainly testing some big change that has to do with accuracy.

 

[1R0N_M4N_XL]

I think there is plenty of opportunity for both to "make the first try" especially when China and US are head to collision course, this will be the test of ultimate game of chicken.

that's sad. without america, japan would have finish off china and russia would have invaded china in the cold war..
U.S gave china space technology & brought china to the world trade to boost it's economy so china won't end up like the soviet union & gave chinese jobs.

and this is how china pays america..

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

that's sad. without america, japan would have finish off china and russia would have invaded china in the cold war..
U.S gave china space technology & brought china to the world trade to boost it's economy so china won't end up like the soviet union & gave chinese jobs.

and this is how china pays america..

Don't flattered yourself, Americans did for it own interests, China owned US nothing.

 

[1R0N_M4N_XL]

Then you are free to give it a try now that you hold all the cards.

After all, nuclear ambiguity policy is intended for regimes like yours.

america is not interested in picking a fight with china.. america prefers china to become similar to us, to open up to the world just like japan. america is not interested in humiliating chinese people.

too much nationalism is a cancer. too many people in this forum do not know what they talking about

Don't flattered yourself, Americans did for it own interests, China owned US nothing.

correct. american interest was to stop communism. even though china is communist, it has capitalist system ( learned from the west). china benefits from american interest in containing russia and imperial japan.

china will be begging america back in asia, if ever japan goes banzai again or russia making moves.
russia & japan takes no prisoners, no mercy.. they will totally humiliate their conquered nations.

that's i know why chinese ccp don't fear america.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

correct. american interest was to stop communism. even though china is communist, it has capitalist system ( learned from the west). china benefits from american interest in containing russia and imperial japan.

china will be begging america back in asia, if ever japan goes banzai again or russia making moves.
russia & japan takes no prisoners, no mercy.. they will totally humiliate their conquered nations.

that's i know why chinese ccp don't fear america.

No China is begging America to leave Asia ASAP , we will make friend with Japan and Russia.

 

[1R0N_M4N_XL]

No China is begging America to leave Asia ASAP , we will make friend with Japan and Russia.

i was referring to ww2 & cold war btw

how in the world are you making friends with japan? when china is stealing japanese islands, indian territory, philippine/vietnamese territory. ?

i seen reports that russia will expect territorial disputes with china when china gets stronger.

russia/china might be working together just because they need each other against america.
if given a chance. one will backstab the other like hitler/stalin

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

i was referring to ww2 & cold war btw

how in the world are you making friends with japan? when china is stealing japanese islands, indian territory, philippine/vietnamese territory. ?

i seen reports that russia will expect territorial disputes with china when china gets stronger.

russia/china might be working together just because they need each other against america.
if given a chance. one will backstab the other like hitler/stalin

Don't worry we will figure out the way to make friend with Japan, India and ASEAN as long as US stay far far away of Asia. And you got all wrong about China and Russia, it's pure speculative bullsh1ts.

 

[1R0N_M4N_XL]

Don't worry we will figure out the way to make friend with Japan, India and ASEAN as long as US stay far far away of Asia. And you got all wrong about China and Russia, it's pure speculative bullsh1ts.

china sure have alot of enemies.. have china needs a attitude change..

1)japan & philippines are the reason why america adopted the pivot-to- asia-pacific policy... while america was in the middle east, china was bullying pretty much all of it's neighbor.

2) america is pacific power for more than than 100 years & have allies in the asia-pacific who wants U.S presence.. it's here to stay.

if U.S understand russian's mentality more than chinese.. then you guys have big problem.. unlike china.. U.S & russia were allies in ww2.. i'm 100% sure russia will not give military assistance to china . russia do not want china to be dominate over them.

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if u.s.a leaves japan.. japan will have thousands of nukes and a fully re-militarize offensive force before america leaves.