Why the Next Pearl Harbor Could Happen in Space

[jhungary]

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I don't know how this gonna end, what I said it's just one scenario out of millions, let the Chinese computer to plot the solution to engage US with nuclear arm, but don't expect China to let US to pre-emptively strike if there is any war in space and it will be unlikely China will stick with non-first used in the future when our nuclear arsenal start to get significantly.

I was saying, both War in Space and Nuclear war is unlikely.

US have been in space for the last 50 years, and unless you actually did believe US did not do anything that time in space, then it's not that easy to do what you said. And to be honest, if you and I can think of this, those dude in the Pentagon would a long time ago too. So, as I said, both war in space and nuclear war is unlikely.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Lol China will be dust through the full force of 4000+ nukes, nothing will live there, its 3000 year history gone in a matter of hours through American nuclear fire!

Wow this is cathartic, I see why you guys do this haha no thought required.

That said I'll end this here. It's fun in low quality threads like these but try to keep it to click bait articles and out of actual real world event discussion.

LMAO and you think US will get away with impunity? or we might as well give up our nuclear arsenal now , you will never know who will have the last laugh in any eventual conflict .

US have been in space for the last 50 years, and unless you actually did believe US did not do anything that time in space, then it's not that easy to do what you said. And to be honest, if you and I can think of this, those dude in the Pentagon would a long time ago too. So, as I said, both war in space and nuclear war is unlikely.

War in space will likely happens, China will never let US to have conventional military supremacy in eventual conflict with China, take down US space asset is not excluded, but I agree Nuclear war will be unlikely because no China, US nor Russia want to see a total destruction of their nations.

 

[jhungary]

War in space will likely happens, China will never let US to have conventional military supremacy in eventual conflict with China, take down US space asset is not excluded, but I agree Nuclear war will be unlikely because no China, US nor Russia want to see a total destruction of their nations.

The case is, if China start a space war with the US, China is likely lose that war, as I explained, China is behind in both space tech and knowledge, which would play down their effectiveness to wage war in space.

Again, US have been in outer space since 1960s, and have been travel further and longer in space than China, the reason they have to do that is to make sure they keep an edge over anyone else. And again, both you and I don't know what kind of stuff the US did in the last 50 years, but safe to say, China is not going to catch up the US with the stuff they are doing now, the fact to the matter is, what China is doing now, the US has done it in the 70s and 80s, and they would have a contingence plan in place for these type of situation, making a surprise first strike by China unlikely.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The case is, if China start a space war with the US, China is likely lose that war, as I explained, China is behind in both space tech and knowledge, which would play down their effectiveness to wage war in space.

Again, US have been in outer space since 1960s, and have been travel further and longer in space than China, the reason they have to do that is to make sure they keep an edge over anyone else. And again, both you and I don't know what kind of stuff the US did in the last 50 years, but safe to say, China is not going to catch up the US with the stuff they are doing now, the fact to the matter is, what China is doing now, the US has done it in the 70s and 80s, and they would have a contingence plan in place for these type of situation, making a surprise first strike by China unlikely.

Base on your argument that US is most advance in any aspect, China might as well give up and bow down to US. And we will save over hundred billions of defense spending because what ever we gonna develop in military research and development we will never catch up US. what you tried to say is once a human is inferior he will be forever inferior and be hopeless one...I certainly don't buy this kind of theory, human has a great ingenuity to defeat the odd and turn desperation into hope, US is not forever invincible or undefeatable.

 

[BoQ77]

Base on your argument that US is most advance in any aspect, China might as well give up and bow down to US. And we will save over hundred billions of defense spending because what ever we gonna develop in military research and development we will never catch up US. what you tried to say is one a human is inferior it will forever inferior and be hopeless one...I certainly don't buy this kind of theory, human has a great ingenuity to defeat the odd and turn desperation into hope, US is not forever invincible or undefeatable.

Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty ( START ) could be better solution if you may know any nuclear war in future could be the end of the world.

China is causing the superpowers get into arm race again.

We could see US stopped developing new ICBMs for so long time.

 

[jhungary]

Base on your argument that US is most advance in any aspect, China might as well give up and bow down to US. And we will save over hundred billions of defense spending because what ever we gonna develop in military research and development we will never catch up US. what you tried to say is once a human is inferior he will be forever inferior and be hopeless one...I certainly don't buy this kind of theory, human has a great ingenuity to defeat the odd and turn desperation into hope, US is not forever invincible or undefeatable.

First of all, you said that, not me.

Second of all, can you name me one good reason the world number 1 would want to go to war, ANY WAR, with the world number 2? Anything good is going to come out with that war? Beside total world destruction?

Space war, along with any conflict is NOT GOING to happen between US and China, regardless on who's number 1 and who's number 2.

 

[Kim Philby]

Why China, Pakistan, North Korea always shouts Nuke this , nuke that at the drop of a hat??

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty ( START ) could be better solution if you may know any nuclear war in future could be the end of the world.

China is causing the superpowers get into arm race again.

We could see US stopped developing new ICBMs for so long time.

Tell us more how these nations become superpowers to begin with

Why China, Pakistan, North Korea always shouts Nuke this , nuke that at the drop of a hat??

Care to read #4, don't try to be the selective reader, what difference from India? didn't you guys shouts to nuke Pakistan?

First of all, you said that, not me.

Second of all, can you name me one good reason the world number 1 would want to go to war, ANY WAR, with the world number 2? Anything good is going to come out with that war? Beside total world destruction?

Space war, along with any conflict is NOT GOING to happen between US and China, regardless on who's number 1 and who's number 2.

All I said is that war in space in not impossible regardless how strong US is or how China will be defeated in space. A good reason for #1 go to war against #2 is to preserve it status, anyone dare to challenge or alter the status quo will be seen as threat, that American's Asia pivot is about.

 

[BoQ77]

China has been doing fine with US since 1970s when China was very weak compare to US.
Why you not recognize the threat at the time of 1970s ?

I guess because at the time, China need US to support against threat of Soviet Union.

 

[1R0N_M4N_XL]

i'm being realistic here.. reality check.

russian experts says' ..china would be wipe out in less than 1 hour in a nuclear exchange with u.s... even if china has the underground railroad nuclear system.

the only russia has the capability to wipe out america & europe.

 

[TaiShang]

There won't be a Pearl Harbor. There won't be a scenario in which the US destroys China and itself emerges unscathed.

The US would be left in ruins as much, if not more than, as China did.

"Pearly Harbor" scenario assumes ultimate US superiority. But there is no such thing anymore in real life. Can Washington ever dream of bringing a Pearl Harbor on Moscow without itself being leveled to the ground with no vegetation for the next several decades?

China has been doing fine with US since 1970s when China was very weak compare to US.
Why you not recognize the threat at the time of 1970s ?

China has developed nukes much earlier than that. So, yes, China recognized the threat much earlier and did all it could. But, capability build-up does not happen over night. It is not easy to rise from the ashes of colonization, invasion, civil war and an absolutely non-existent national infrastructure as early as 70 years ago.

 

[gambit]

A good reason for #1 go to war against #2 is to preserve it status, anyone dare to challenge or alter the status quo will be seen as threat, that American's Asia pivot is about.

That is one good reason. But a better reason, and more economically viable one, is to work to maintain that lead.

No. 2 can start a war against no. 1, like how Imperial Japan started the war against the US. It was a foolish decision that altered Japan forever and that redirection was not of Japan's decision.

Is there a reusable vehicle in China's space program ? No. The US already have 2: The Space Shuttle and the X-37. These two alone require at least 20 yrs for China to catch up, assuming the US remain static in space vehicle technology. But that assumption is no longer viable since SpaceX proved it can land a rocket vertically, and on a ship at that. From a control engineering perspective, add another 5 yrs lead time for US.

Yeah...A war in space is possible, but not probable. And if there is, once everything settled, China will be out of orbit and US military space superiority will be clear for all to see for at least 50-something yrs.

 

[BoQ77]

There won't be a Pearl Harbor. There won't be a scenario in which the US destroys China and itself emerges unscathed.

The US would be left in ruins as much, if not more than, as China did.

"Pearly Harbor" scenario assumes ultimate US superiority. But there is no such thing anymore in real life. Can Washington ever dream of bringing a Pearl Harbor on Moscow without itself being leveled to the ground with no vegetation for the next several decades?

China has developed nukes much earlier than that. So, yes, China recognized the threat much earlier and did all it could. But, capability build-up does not happen over night. It is not to rise from the ashes of colonization, invasion, civil war and an absolutely non-existent national infrastructure as early as 70 years ago.

how you foresee the fortune of North Korea ?
There was a big change in China happened in 1970s, it's stop opposing to US.
China was in the position of nowaday North Korea.

 

[TaiShang]

how you foresee the fortune of North Korea ?

I would say slightly better than that of Vietnam if it (Hanoi) goes under US yoke even further.

There was a big change in China happened in 1970s, it's stop opposing to US.

There was a calculated, slight change. It never stopped opposing the US when it needed to. The problem was, China was not strong enough to have second strike capability. One got to be realistic of one's capabilities. I do not believe in stories like an Iraqi herdsman shots down a US fighter jet over Fallujah with a shot gun.

In real life, steel and powder matter.

China was in the position of nowaday North Korea.

China created its own circumstances as well as was under other circumstances that were too powerful to control.

It is all about management of the circumstances to the best of your advantage. China has the most scientific governance model in the world; hence, we have grown several (many several) times bigger than our Vietnam Communist peers.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

That is one good reason. But a better reason, and more economically viable one, is to work to maintain that lead.

No. 2 can start a war against no. 1, like how Imperial Japan started the war against the US. It was a foolish decision that altered Japan forever and that redirection was not of Japan's decision.

Is there a reusable vehicle in China's space program ? No. The US already have 2: The Space Shuttle and the X-37. These two alone require at least 20 yrs for China to catch up, assuming the US remain static in space vehicle technology. But that assumption is no longer viable since SpaceX proved it can land a rocket vertically, and on a ship at that. From a control engineering perspective, add another 5 yrs lead time for US.

Yeah...A war in space is possible, but not probable. And if there is, once everything settled, China will be out of orbit and US military space superiority will be clear for all to see for at least 50-something yrs.

It's unlikely that China want to start war with US as Japan did, we rather want to use US method as it has done to subdue and take over England peacefully. Japan might be the military power in WW2 but made the wrong choice to fight everyones :China, Russia, France, England and US. China will not make such mistake.

Anything can be happen If there is any war , it's laughable that Americans want to draw a red line on space to protect their asset, tha's certainly not the sign to deter China ASAT progam.