Why the ethnic hate recently?

[KaiserX]

your divisions are all politically engineered false identities of settlers, your goal is malicious when it comes to dividing, its not for better governance rather you want to remove their true identity and create false ones by taking dialects of other languages and declare them separate. it is divide and conquer and cultural/linguistic genocide

when are we dividing hinkdo areas of KPK and Chitral areas?

When are we going to divide Balochistan? Brahui and many others are not baloch like pashtuns so they deserve a new province

When Sindh? create Karachi province


the biggest damage to pakistan was not corruption this is a scapegoat.

biggest damage has always been TTP and BLA terrorism. pakistan was seen as an unsafe destination for tourism as well as investment. infrastructure couldnt develop or an economic environment.

poor policy making and terrorism was always the biggest reason

exactly… every single nation on earth suffers from corruption. Human being ls are inately corrupt. Anyone who believes solving corruption will solve everything is just an idiot.

As you rightfully stated law/order/security comes first.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

these baloch are just invader trying to create a fake identity through a punjabi dialect, its just settler colonialism

Seraiki movement was started by Sindhi nationalists.

 

[KaiserX]

Twitter aur Tik tok pe nafrat bout pehlti hai.



It goes hand in hand.

No money = no plan.

When PMLN and PPP can openly loot then it paralyzes the country. Terrorism isn’t something to Pakistan only. Even Iraq and Libya are more developed than Pakistan despite getting invaded and carpet bombed.

Oye chutiya rather than lecture us on terrorism as if your some expert why dont you condemn your tribal bretheren???

99% of your posts on this topic is crap, not once have you condemned ttp or taliban infact you fid the opposite and called taliban your brother. Why dont yoy leave pak and move to afghanistan then? Why is it so hard for you tribals to condemn terrorism?

Poverty isnt an excuse for terrorism. Even libya and africa have less terrorism than yku tribals have caused

 

[Ich]

Human being ls are inately corrupt

thats wrong

 

[Mirzali Khan]

listen even if we dont, my point is we hardly share much in common with pashtun just like we shared little in common with bengalis.

Agree.

Oye chutiya rather than lecture us on terrorism as if your some expert why dont you condemn your tribal bretheren???

99% of your posts on this topic is crap, not once have you condemned ttp or taliban infact you fid the opposite and called taliban your brother. Why dont yoy leave pak and move to afghanistan then? Why is it so hard for you tribals to condemn terrorism?

Poverty isnt an excuse for terrorism. Even libya and africa have less terrorism than yku tribals have caused

You don’t even condemn Nawaz Sharif and PMLN looting.

If TTP and BLA, 2 tribal ragtag orgs can paralyze nuclear powered Pakistan then that says a lot about Pakistan.

Ishaq Dar is causing maximal damage and we are ALL here for it.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Agreed with your point on lahore but why stop at lahore? Lets include karachi, islamabad as well. The golden industrial triangle in central punjab (sialkot gujranwala faisalabad) literally constitutes 80% of all pakistans exports.

Tell me what does islamabad lahore karachi export? Forget even peshawer or quetta. Go to sialkot and you cannot even find a decent hospital or university. A city of 100k people which exports 4 bn USD annual does not even have proper social facilities and here you are crying about south punjab which doesnt produce anything remotely viable.

My point is lets focus on industry producing areas first a foremost before we lose what little we produce today. In the meantimes whats stoppinh other areas in pakistan from implementing the sialkot model? Sialkot doesn recieve any special benefits than say larger cities.

I for the life of me cannot understand this. China was able to test out different economic models/industries in Shenzen/shangai then implemented it throughout other cities in china. If we do the same as done in sialkot/faisalabad and achieve parity per capita in other cities out exports would easily be 300+ billion usd and we wouldnt have 90% of these problems

So your solution is to focus on areas that are already significantly lower on the poverty index and create a greater gap in wealth disparity by siphoning resources from other provinces.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Mills, factories, and other industries are all shutting down due to electricity being diverted in South Punjab. How is the rest of the country supposed to compete when you people elect the same thieves that forget about mismanage but openly steal from the national treasury?

They give resources to who they want like they are gods walking amongst the earth.

Even with us being handicapped by you Lahoris, and being in a perpetual drought due to the bhartoads blocking Sutlej, we punch way above our weight when it comes to agriculture.

Meanwhile you guys take all the resources and blow nobody bhartis on drunken poetry nights in your kanjar capital….

 

[Erieye]

Seraiki movement was started by Sindhi nationalists.

doesn't change the fact that they are utilising baloch settlers for it, who were invited as kind gesture many centuries back.

You don’t even condemn Nawaz Sharif and PMLN looting.

Literally everyone is across this entire forum and real life.

If TTP and BLA, 2 tribal ragtag orgs can paralyze nuclear powered Pakistan then that says a lot about Pakistan.

No, rather it reflects on the collective jahil mentalitiy of those two groups because the only reason they are able to survive is because of the mass support they receive from locals. Funny thing is TTP has committed the most damage to Pashtuns.

When Pakistan bumps ups efforts the victim complex brigade becomes active and the oppression and genocide allegations begins, otherwise give a year without randi rona and lets see what nuclear power pakistan would do to waziristan lmfao.

also given the terrain differences in Waziristan - army doesnt really have any advantage against insurgents as it would have in flat plains. in fact the lighter clothing is more suitable, battles are equal. only effective weapon is droning.

 

[ziaulislam]

Me trying to tell people getting paid to bomb your civilians means the person who gets paid will want more bombs..

Moin Akhtar tried the same thing

https://www.facebook.com/reel/699950005163298?mibextid=9drbnH&s=yWDuG2&fs=e

 

[TheSolution]

So your solution is to focus on areas that are already significantly lower on the poverty index and create a greater gap in wealth disparity by siphoning resources from other provinces.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Mills, factories, and other industries are all shutting down due to electricity being diverted in South Punjab. How is the rest of the country supposed to compete when you people elect the same thieves that forget about mismanage but openly steal from the national treasury?

They give resources to who they want like they are gods walking amongst the earth.

Even with us being handicapped by you Lahoris, and being in a perpetual drought due to the bhartoads blocking Sutlej, we punch way above our weight when it comes to agriculture.

Meanwhile you guys take all the resources and blow nobody bhartis on drunken poetry nights in your kanjar capital….

He's right though:

"A city of 100k people which exports 4 bn USD annual does not even have proper social facilities and here you are crying about south punjab which doesnt produce anything remotely viable.

My point is lets focus on industry producing areas first a foremost before we lose what little we produce today. In the meantimes whats stoppinh other areas in pakistan from implementing the sialkot model? Sialkot doesn recieve any special benefits than say larger cities."

Invest in what's making you the most money to increase it's output and use partially that money to get South Punjab started.

 

[Ssan]

Guys, the purpose of this thread was to figure out how we could address the hate rather than expose it further.

Bunch of posters start out like, it’s not hate but … (then go on to engage in ethnic hatred).

I think we need a nationalist movement almost bordering on fascism. Kinda like Attaturk who forced the Turks to believe they were one ethnicity and people. Before that, the Turks were also engaging in the same nonsense we are doing now- there were muhajjir Turks (circassian immigrants - literally labeled muhajjir, which funnily enough also became pejorative title), differences between Turks on the coast who were more liberal, and those in the center, who were conservative, and those in the south more Sufi and those in the north more industrious.

Each had its own dialect and custom. Credit goes to Attaturk that he basically forced them to see themselves as the same people. It doesn’t even have to make sense but it needs to be pursued aggressively.

 

[TheSolution]

Guys, the purpose of this thread was to figure out how we could address the hate rather than expose it further.

Bunch of posters start out like, it’s not hate but … (then go on to engage in ethnic hatred).

I think we need a nationalist movement almost bordering on fascism. Kinda like Attaturk who forced the Turks to believe they were one ethnicity and people. Before that, the Turks were also engaging in the same nonsense we are doing now- there were muhajjir Turks (circassian immigrants - literally labeled muhajjir, which funnily enough also became pejorative title), differences between Turks on the coast who were more liberal, and those in the center, who were conservative, and those in the south more Sufi and those in the north more industrious.

Each had its own dialect and custom. Credit goes to Attaturk that he basically forced them to see themselves as the same people. It doesn’t even have to make sense but it needs to be pursued aggressively.

Turkish demographics were much easier to do this with.

Look at a map of demographics in Pakistan. Very difficult. We are quite literally a multi-ethnic nation. And each ethnicity is boxed into their own territory. It's too easy to start separatist wars.

 

[Ssan]

Turkish demographics were much easier to do this with.

Look at a map of demographics in Pakistan. Very difficult. We are quite literally a multi-ethnic nation. And each ethnicity is boxed into their own territory. It's too easy to start separatist wars.

But that was true for the Turks as well. They were also a multiethnic nation- they spoke Turkic not even same dialects.

Force everyone to say they are Pakistani- then finish the provinces and break everything into small regions like that exist in Turkey.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Force everyone to say they are Pakistani- then finish the provinces and break everything into small regions like that exist in Turkey.

Forcing people to be a part of a nation against their will is a mockery of the very idea of nationhood

Unfortunately, only Punjabis, and to some extent Muhajirs truly believe in the idea of Pakistan. For the rest of the ethnic groups in the country, their ethnicity always comes before Pakistan

 

[Edevelop]

Guys, the purpose of this thread was to figure out how we could address the hate rather than expose it further.

Bunch of posters start out like, it’s not hate but … (then go on to engage in ethnic hatred).

I think we need a nationalist movement almost bordering on fascism. Kinda like Attaturk who forced the Turks to believe they were one ethnicity and people. Before that, the Turks were also engaging in the same nonsense we are doing now- there were muhajjir Turks (circassian immigrants - literally labeled muhajjir, which funnily enough also became pejorative title), differences between Turks on the coast who were more liberal, and those in the center, who were conservative, and those in the south more Sufi and those in the north more industrious.

Each had its own dialect and custom. Credit goes to Attaturk that he basically forced them to see themselves as the same people. It doesn’t even have to make sense but it needs to be pursued aggressively.

Turkish demographics were much easier to do this with.

Look at a map of demographics in Pakistan. Very difficult. We are quite literally a multi-ethnic nation. And each ethnicity is boxed into their own territory. It's too easy to start separatist wars.

That's a separate issue. Many Turkish people trace their ancestry as Albanian, Bosnian, Greek, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Cypriot, and Arab. Its a very multi ethnic society and I think real Turkish, Central Asian blood such as from Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakstan and Kyrgyzstan and Azerbaijan is not much and very likely they are a minority and you can see that not everyone looks the same. They have different skin colours and facial features.

Ataturk basically forced them to become "Turk" yet at the same time he was a secularist who abolished the Ottomans and Turkish language underwent some disastrous changes from the Islamic (Arabic/Persian) influence to Western (latin/French. Whether its Turkey or anywhere else, the main issue is economics. If people are living well, people's beliefs will change accordingly. Although there is still a secular population living, today it has become a minority and most of the businesses and rich people are from the socially conservative lot. Why? Because under Erdogan people's incomes increased 10x within 20 years.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Honorable Imran Khan is a Hero , a role model and True Leader of Nation

The hate is only for the incompetence an abuse of Pakistan's constitutional mandate and denial of Election and fair election to people of Pakistan.