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In October 2018, the Narendra Modi government signed one of the biggest weapons deals in its tenure, when it inked a contract to buy five S-400 air defence missile systems from Russia in a $5.43 billion contract.
The S-400 is an integrated air defence system featuring radars, command and control equipment and four types of surface-to-air missiles. The four types of missiles used by the S-400 have ranges varying from 40km to 400km and can shoot down aircraft, drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. The Indian Air Force has repeatedly referred to the S-400 as being a game-changer, along with its soon-to-arrive fleet of Rafale fighters.

In addition to its potential as a cutting-edge weapon system, the S-400 has been at the centre of international politics. In July 2019, the Donald Trump administration removed Turkey from participating in manufacturing and buying of the F-35 stealth fighter after Ankara refused to cancel a deal for the S-400. The US has also been warning India of sanctions if took delivery of the S-400. Media reports even claimed the US could offer the F-35 stealth fighter to New Delhi as an incentive to junk the S-400 missile deal with Russia.

It is this reputation for geopolitical intrigue that the S-400 carries that BJP MP Subramanian Swamy is not happy about. On Friday, Swamy tweeted a warning to the Narendra Modi government to not use the S-400 missile system in a conflict with China. Swamy wrote, "The Namo government would be well advised not to use S400 in a possible battle with China. This is because S400 is made with Chinese electronics. Russia is today a junior partner of China". China was the first export customer for the S-400, buying the missile system in 2014 and taking delivery of the first units in 2018.

This is not the first time Swamy has warned against the S-400 missile system. In December 2019, Swamy warned the presence of Chinese electronics would make the missile system "compromised" in a war with Pakistan, in addition to the risk of US sanctions. Swamy then tweeted, "Expect a deadly US Sanctions blow early next year because of the S-400 purchase from Russia which weapon has embedded China's electronics. S-400 is a fine weapon but compromised in a war with Pakistan. On a cost-benefit-risk analysis: Bad".

It is yet unclear what Chinese electronics Swamy was referring to. In 2018, Russian news agency TASS reported that the S-400 deal with China is "without tech transfer or license production". However, Chinese companies have been supplying a range of commercial electronics for aerospace programmes across the world.

In 2012, a US senate sub-committee investigation found 1,800 cases of fake electronic parts being used in US military aircraft, with nearly 70 per cent of an estimated 1 million fake parts being traced to China. The aircraft on which such counterfeit electronic equipment was used included the C-130J transport aircraft and the P-8 maritime patrol aircraft, both of which have been sold to India by the US. In addition to posing risk of failure, such counterfeit equipment could potentially be used as means for implanting tracking and espionage systems
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...ndia-to-use-s-400-missiles-against-china.html
 
The fool knows nothing, he claims to be some kingmaker but has no power in Indian Govt and treated as
stray dog in his own party BJP, Modi didnt give him even 5 min of time in 6 years of Govt.
He claims to win all nationalistic cases were was never involved actively in either one of them,..

he is just another mouth blabbering idiot but sure was a loyal dog of Rajiv Gandhi and his italian waitress for good amount of time before congress threw him in gutter after getting any juice left in him...

dont bother to paste his expert opinions .. best comparison for him is zaid hamid lal topi right now nothing better than him
 
Subhuman Swamy and Surrender Modi need to realize what is India's position in this world... As someone mentioned in this forum... Indians seem to be suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect...
 
In October 2018, the Narendra Modi government signed one of the biggest weapons deals in its tenure, when it inked a contract to buy five S-400 air defence missile systems from Russia in a $5.43 billion contract.
The S-400 is an integrated air defence system featuring radars, command and control equipment and four types of surface-to-air missiles. The four types of missiles used by the S-400 have ranges varying from 40km to 400km and can shoot down aircraft, drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. The Indian Air Force has repeatedly referred to the S-400 as being a game-changer, along with its soon-to-arrive fleet of Rafale fighters.

In addition to its potential as a cutting-edge weapon system, the S-400 has been at the centre of international politics. In July 2019, the Donald Trump administration removed Turkey from participating in manufacturing and buying of the F-35 stealth fighter after Ankara refused to cancel a deal for the S-400. The US has also been warning India of sanctions if took delivery of the S-400. Media reports even claimed the US could offer the F-35 stealth fighter to New Delhi as an incentive to junk the S-400 missile deal with Russia.

It is this reputation for geopolitical intrigue that the S-400 carries that BJP MP Subramanian Swamy is not happy about. On Friday, Swamy tweeted a warning to the Narendra Modi government to not use the S-400 missile system in a conflict with China. Swamy wrote, "The Namo government would be well advised not to use S400 in a possible battle with China. This is because S400 is made with Chinese electronics. Russia is today a junior partner of China". China was the first export customer for the S-400, buying the missile system in 2014 and taking delivery of the first units in 2018.

This is not the first time Swamy has warned against the S-400 missile system. In December 2019, Swamy warned the presence of Chinese electronics would make the missile system "compromised" in a war with Pakistan, in addition to the risk of US sanctions. Swamy then tweeted, "Expect a deadly US Sanctions blow early next year because of the S-400 purchase from Russia which weapon has embedded China's electronics. S-400 is a fine weapon but compromised in a war with Pakistan. On a cost-benefit-risk analysis: Bad".

It is yet unclear what Chinese electronics Swamy was referring to. In 2018, Russian news agency TASS reported that the S-400 deal with China is "without tech transfer or license production". However, Chinese companies have been supplying a range of commercial electronics for aerospace programmes across the world.

In 2012, a US senate sub-committee investigation found 1,800 cases of fake electronic parts being used in US military aircraft, with nearly 70 per cent of an estimated 1 million fake parts being traced to China. The aircraft on which such counterfeit electronic equipment was used included the C-130J transport aircraft and the P-8 maritime patrol aircraft, both of which have been sold to India by the US. In addition to posing risk of failure, such counterfeit equipment could potentially be used as means for implanting tracking and espionage systems
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...ndia-to-use-s-400-missiles-against-china.html

He is right as usual.

Russia today IS a junior partner of China.

Their economy runs on the oil and gas that china purchases.

Their military equipment all use Chinese electronics and hardware.

It would be VERY risky to put our faith in the S400 under these circumstances , especially when it is supposed to protect us from the risk of a Nuclear strike.

Chinese has infiltrated very deep into electronic espionage and have a proven history of embedding spyware and disruptive technologies in their hardware.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

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The chips on Elemental servers were designed to be as inconspicuous as possible, according to one person who saw a detailed report prepared for Amazon by its third-party security contractor, as well as a second person who saw digital photos and X-ray images of the chips incorporated into a later report prepared by Amazon’s security team. Gray or off-white in color, they looked more like signal conditioning couplers, another common motherboard component, than microchips, and so they were unlikely to be detectable without specialized equipment. Depending on the board model, the chips varied slightly in size, suggesting that the attackers had supplied different factories with different batches.
 
He is right as usual.

Russia today IS a junior partner of China.

Their economy runs on the oil and gas that china purchases.

Their military equipment all use Chinese electronics and hardware.

It would be VERY risky to put our faith in the S400 under these circumstances , especially when it is supposed to protect us from the risk of a Nuclear strike.

Chinese has infiltrated very deep into electronic espionage and have a proven history of embedding spyware and disruptive technologies in their hardware.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

-999x-999.gif


The chips on Elemental servers were designed to be as inconspicuous as possible, according to one person who saw a detailed report prepared for Amazon by its third-party security contractor, as well as a second person who saw digital photos and X-ray images of the chips incorporated into a later report prepared by Amazon’s security team. Gray or off-white in color, they looked more like signal conditioning couplers, another common motherboard component, than microchips, and so they were unlikely to be detectable without specialized equipment. Depending on the board model, the chips varied slightly in size, suggesting that the attackers had supplied different factories with different batches.

no indIan zaidn hamid aka subu swamy is wrong about this... Russians have in-house manufacturing for 28-48 nm chips and for strategic purposes it doesnt matter how much silicon u use so dont require more than that even India uses 128 nm chips for own strategic usages..

Russia doesnt use Chinese electronics in thr s-400 dont believe this cheap shit swamy.. he knows nothing abt this
 
He is right as usual.

Russia today IS a junior partner of China.

Their economy runs on the oil and gas that china purchases.

Their military equipment all use Chinese electronics and hardware.

It would be VERY risky to put our faith in the S400 under these circumstances , especially when it is supposed to protect us from the risk of a Nuclear strike.

Chinese has infiltrated very deep into electronic espionage and have a proven history of embedding spyware and disruptive technologies in their hardware.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

-999x-999.gif


The chips on Elemental servers were designed to be as inconspicuous as possible, according to one person who saw a detailed report prepared for Amazon by its third-party security contractor, as well as a second person who saw digital photos and X-ray images of the chips incorporated into a later report prepared by Amazon’s security team. Gray or off-white in color, they looked more like signal conditioning couplers, another common motherboard component, than microchips, and so they were unlikely to be detectable without specialized equipment. Depending on the board model, the chips varied slightly in size, suggesting that the attackers had supplied different factories with different batches.
Then why did India purchase the S-400 then? To counter Pakistan? They should as well have gone for the PATRIOT system so that way they might be able to become a partner of the F-35 program. Now India is left with a SAM system that could potentially be shut down by the Chinese and the lack of any viable fifth generation fighter aircraft (other than Su-57/FGFA).
 
no indIan zaidn hamid aka subu swamy is wrong about this... Russians have in-house manufacturing for 28-48 nm chips and for strategic purposes it doesnt matter how much silicon u use so dont require more than that even India uses 128 nm chips for own strategic usages..

Russia doesnt use Chinese electronics in thr s-400 dont believe this cheap shit swamy.. he knows nothing abt this

He is the Member of the Standing Committee on Defence in Parliament that has an overview of ALL Defense matters in India.

He is also the author on multiple books on Indian strategy and Perspectives,

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He also happens to be India's finest China Expert.

He sure has FAR more credibility than a foul mouthed joker like you who is a nobody even in pdf.

Then why did India purchase the S-400 then? To counter Pakistan? They should as well have gone for the PATRIOT system so that way they might be able to become a partner of the F-35 program. Now India is left with a SAM system that could potentially be shut down by the Chinese and the lack of any viable fifth generation fighter aircraft (other than Su-57/FGFA).

I am sure India must have expressed all relevant concerns to china regarding this and I am equally sure Russia would have addressed ALL Indian concerns regard this.

But end of the day it boils down to "trusting" the Russians and I am not sure we should be doing that.
 
He is the Member of the Standing Committee on Defence in Parliament that has an overview of ALL Defense matters in India.

He is also the author on multiple books on Indian strategy and Perspectives,

81QCsSTJ6pL.jpg




He also happens to be India's finest China Expert.

He sure has FAR more credibility than a foul mouthed joker like you who is a nobody even in pdf.



I am sure India must have expressed all relevant concerns to china regarding this and I am equally sure Russia would have addressed ALL Indian concerns regard this.

But end of the day it boils down to "trusting" the Russians and I am not sure we should be doing that.

u stupid fool here is the list of Standing Committee of Defense members from Rajya sabha..
Ur chutia akka is not menber of shit other than being a stray dog on leash by Modi haha


10 Members from the Rajya Sabha
Sr. No. Name State Legislature Party
1 G. V. L. Narasimha Rao Uttar Pradesh BJP
2 Ashok Bajpai Uttar Pradesh
3 Devender Paul Vats Haryana
4 Madhusudan Mistry Gujarat INC
5 Ambika Soni Punjab
6 Joginipally Santosh Kumar Telangana TDP
7 Sanjay Raut Maharashtra SS
8 K. R. Arjunan Tamil Nadu AIDMK
9 Ram Nath Thakur Bihar JD(U)
10 Soumya R. Patnaik Odisha BJD

looks like u r bunch of fools who follow him on tweeter where he claims to be king of all toads like u haha
 
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That's a moot point...gist is india doesn't possess s400 yet, by the time it is delivered china would already have developed counter measures.

His message seems 2 pronged...to undermine their traditional ally (russia)...i could be wrong with the latter.
 
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That's a moot point...gist is india doesn't possess s400 yet.

the thread in itself is stupid as sub swamy has no knowledge of s-400 system or Indian govt has any ears for this stupid charlatan
 
u stupid fool here is the list of Standing Committee of Defense members from Rajya sabha..
Ur chutia akka is not menber of shit other than being a stray dog on leash by Modi haha


10 Members from the Rajya Sabha
Sr. No. Name State Legislature Party
1 G. V. L. Narasimha Rao Uttar Pradesh BJP
2 Ashok Bajpai Uttar Pradesh
3 Devender Paul Vats Haryana
4 Madhusudan Mistry Gujarat INC
5 Ambika Soni Punjab
6 Joginipally Santosh Kumar Telangana TDP
7 Sanjay Raut Maharashtra SS
8 K. R. Arjunan Tamil Nadu AIDMK
9 Ram Nath Thakur Bihar JD(U)
10 Soumya R. Patnaik Odisha BJD

looks like u r bunch of fools who follow him on tweeter where he claims to be king of all toads like u haha

No now you moron, he was on the Standing committee in 2018 when the deal for S400 was being signed.

He reigned from his post in protest.
 
No now you moron, he was on the Standing committee in 2018 when the deal for S400 was being signed.

He reigned from his post in protest.

Well he is not part of standing defense committee as u posted and neither S-400 has any Chinese electronics... both u and ur toad king are false....
 
Well he is not part of standing defense committee as u posted and neither S-400 has any Chinese electronics... both u and ur toad king are false....

He WAS the member of the Standing committee on Defense and would have continued to be on it if he had not resigned.

Who the fcuk are you to declare S400 has no chinese components ? :lol:

what a clown.
 
In 2012, a US senate sub-committee investigation found 1,800 cases of fake electronic parts being used in US military aircraft, with nearly 70 per cent of an estimated 1 million fake parts being traced to China. The aircraft on which such counterfeit electronic equipment was used included the C-130J transport aircraft and the P-8 maritime patrol aircraft, both of which have been sold to India by the US. In addition to posing risk of failure, such counterfeit equipment could potentially be used as means for implanting tracking and espionage systems
Interesting, and worrying.

Could someone substantiate claims of the S-400 using Chinese made electronics ? Swamy makes it sound like those would probably have been officially sourced from China by the Russians. There's also all this hype and hysteria about Huawei and their 5G.

Swamy's also always been extremely pro America.

Not sure what or who to believe here.

@Gadkari I really like the guy but why such blind faith in this 'chinese electronics in S-400' claim ?

neither S-400 has any Chinese electronics
you 100% sure ?

if so, how ?
 
He WAS the member of the Standing committee on Defense and would have continued to be on it if he had not resigned.

Who the fcuk are you to declare S400 has no chinese components ? :lol:

what a clown.

ok stupid toddie didnt u write he is ... well he is not...

and where is the source russians use chinese components in s-400
neither russians r fool enough to use Chinese electronics nobody is that fool enough russia has pedigree of sam systems and has good enough chip manufacturing for strategic purposes...
dont be a simple toad u toad for ur toad king subu swamy :D
 

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