Why South Korea is so distinctively Christian

[ChineseTiger1986]

How can you define this as nationalism?

Goguryeo,Baekje and Silla didn't view each other as the same and spoke different languages.

Neither did Goguryeo refer to themselves as a sucessor state of Gojoseon.

The North Koreans and South Koreans are not even the same, then let alone those ancient states.

 

[Aepsilons]

Goguryeo,Baekje and Silla didn't view each other as the same and spoke different languages.

The languages of Shilla, Bekjae and Koryu were very similar. You are misunderstanding the concept of 'dialect' for language. lol.

Even to this day North Korean dialect is uniquely different from South Korean dialect. Tho they are similar, regional or colloquial diction is evident.

 

[Grand Historian]

Objectively that is because the progenitor of the Mongol Race was said to have come from Siberia. The Proto Mongoloids, from which all Mongoloid subgroups would stem from. The fact that the Koreans have a distinct mitochondrial linkage , same as some Japanese screening studies -- indicates the near continuity of these two groups of North East Asians to the original progenitors.

I'm afraid not,Y DNA NO originated from insular SEA while the major subgroups of O originated amongst Sino Tibetans.

Ancient Siberian populations were shown to have Caucasoid admixture,ancient Korean and Japanese skulls don't always cluster with each other despite being in the same country.

 

[Aepsilons]

The North Koreans and South Koreans are not even the same, then let alone those ancient states.

Your shear ignorance on this subject is humbling. Please refrain from positing anything.

 

[Grand Historian]

The languages of Shilla, Bekjae and Koryu were very similar. You are misunderstanding the concept of 'dialect' for language. lol.

Even to this day North Korean dialect is uniquely different from South Korean dialect. Tho they are similar, regional or colloquial diction is evident.

Read Vovin and other scholarly works,before you come to that conclusion,

They are way too different to be dialects.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I'm afraid not,Y DNA NO originated from insular SEA while the major subgroups of O originated amongst Sino Tibetans.

Ancient Siberian populations were shown to have Caucasoid admixture,ancient Korean and Japanese skulls don't always cluster with each other despite being in the same country.

The Korean and Japanese seem to have zero percent of the ancient Caucasoid mixture.

Since the Central Asian/Siberian Mongoloid people often show a large amount of R1a, even the Han Chinese men do show 2-3% of this haplogroup, yet it is not found among the Korean and Japanese.

 

[Aepsilons]

I'm afraid not,Y DNA NO originated from insular SEA while the major subgroups of O originated amongst Sino Tibetans.

Ancient Siberian populations were shown to have Caucasoid admixture,ancient Korean and Japanese skulls don't always cluster with each other despite being in the same country.

Mitochondrial DNA reflects only the maternal input, this does not take into consideration the paternal input, which is why mitochondrial DNA is misleading -- since it is maternal in origin. Paternal Mitochondria is removed because the paternal Mitocondrial DNA is found on the stem of the Sperm-- which does not infuse with the Oocyte. Hence, blastocysts, morulas do not reflect paternal mitochondrial input. This is why when anthropologic-genetic studies are conducted, scientists take note of this during Post-Hoc analysis.

 

[Grand Historian]

The Korean and Japanese seem to have zero percent of the ancient Caucasoid.

Since the Central Asian/Siberian Mongoloid people often show a large amount of R1a, even the Han Chinese men do show 2-3% of this haplogroup, yet it is not found among the Korean and Japanese.

Hard to say whether it is Caucasoid,as R also originated in insular SEA therefore the original carriers would look more like Australoids/Negroids.

Mitochondrial DNA reflects only the maternal input, this does not take into consideration the paternal input, which is why mitochondrial DNA is misleading -- since it is maternal in origin. Paternal Mitochondria is removed because the paternal Mitocondrial DNA is found on the stem of the Sperm-- which does not infuse with the Oocyte. Hence, blastocysts, morulas do not reflect paternal mitochondrial input. This is why when anthropologic-genetic studies are conducted, scientists take note of this during Post-Hoc analysis.

Show me DNA/skeletal samples of Ancient Koreans/Japanese.

 

[Aepsilons]

Read Vovin and other scholarly works,before you come to that conclusion,

They are way too different to be dialects.

People learning to write in Korean will notice that both North and South Korea use the same letters (called jamo), but they might look different. For example, certain vowels and consonants are considered separate letters in North Korea, while they are kept together as the same letters in the South. Many jamo are also placed in a different order according to the version being used.

The differences do not end with the letters — they apply to whole words, too. For instance, there are usually more spaces in the South Korean language than the North’s version, especially while writing pairs of words that make up a single concept when put together.

Since the Korean language in each region is based on different dialects, it makes sense that some slight pronunciation differences are present in the spoken word. This means that certain consonants and vowels are pronounced differently from one area to another, and some letters may be ignored completely when residents of either North or South Korea pronounce words.

This reality is manifest of the ancient systems of Shilla , Koryo and Bekjae. Regional colloquial diction and the pronunciation of characters is evident. This is similar to how some Japanese prefectures pronounce a character differently. The Tokyo dialect is different to the Sapporo Dialect, to the Okinawa Dialect, to the Shimizu Dialect, etc.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hard to say whether it is Caucasoid,as R also originated in insular SEA therefore the original carriers would look more like Australoids/Negroids.

The Fudan University has conducted many SNP tests, and I was pretty shocked when I saw a such large amount of the exotic haplogroups such as N and Q, even R1a among the modern Chinese men.

However, the O3a is still quite dominant as over 60%.

Maybe the NO and RQ are not Caucasoid from the beginning, since R might steal a large amount of Caucasoid women from the native Europeans such as I and J.

 

[Grand Historian]

People learning to write in Korean will notice that both North and South Korea use the same letters (called jamo), but they might look different. For example, certain vowels and consonants are considered separate letters in North Korea, while they are kept together as the same letters in the South. Many jamo are also placed in a different order according to the version being used.

The differences do not end with the letters — they apply to whole words, too. For instance, there are usually more spaces in the South Korean language than the North’s version, especially while writing pairs of words that make up a single concept when put together.

Since the Korean language in each region is based on different dialects, it makes sense that some slight pronunciation differences are present in the spoken word. This means that certain consonants and vowels are pronounced differently from one area to another, and some letters may be ignored completely when residents of either North or South Korea pronounce words.

This reality is manifest of the ancient systems of Shilla , Koryo and Bekjae. Regional colloquial diction and the pronunciation of characters is evident. This is similar to how some Japanese prefectures pronounce a character differently. The Tokyo dialect is different to the Sapporo Dialect, to the Okinawa Dialect, to the Shimizu Dialect, etc.

Basically you don't have a clue about what we are supposedly discussing.

The issue isn't with modern day dialects the issue is that Baekje and Silla most likely spoke Japonic with Koreanic being intrusive ie Goguryeo.

From Koguryo to T'amna | Alexander Vovin - Academia.edu

 

[Europa]

The Korean and Japanese seem to have zero percent of the ancient Caucasoid mixture.

Since the Central Asian/Siberian Mongoloid people often show a large amount of R1a, even the Han Chinese men do show 2-3% of this haplogroup, yet it is not found among the Korean and Japanese.

i find roughness in some chinese men's skins and they have distinct caucasian type bone shapes in noses, cheeks and foreheads and they may be features of the presence of caucasian genes, i am not sure about it though

 

[Grand Historian]

The Fudan University has conducted many SNP tests, and I was pretty shocked when I saw a such large amount of the exotic haplogroups such as N and Q, even R1a among the modern Chinese men.

However, the O3a is still quite dominant as over 60%.

Maybe the NO and RQ are not Caucasoid from the beginning, since R might steal a large amount of Caucasoid women from the native Europeans such as I and J.

I would depend on the subclade of N and Q as they existed before the expansion of O3 into the Central Plains.

 

[Aepsilons]

Overall, Japanese are closest to Tibetans and Han Chinese, but only marginally more so than to the Koreans.

The Ainu who are widely considered to be of the “old” proto-Mongoloid stock closely related to the Tibetan Buryat and Yakut peoples, and descended from the Jomon people who lived in the Tohoku area until they were later pushed northwards into Hokkaido, afterwhich they resided around the Sea of Okhotsk, mainly Hokkaido, Sakhalin, Kuril Islands and the tip of Kamchatka. However, the DNA sequences show that Ainu are actually more remotely distanced from the Jomon than is commonly believed, as they were influenced by Siberians (as with Koreans). Evidence is the haplogroup C3 (no subclade) occurs at moderately high frequencies among these populations.

The above mtDNA studies relate to maternal line gene flow, the following Y chromosome study of male-mediated gene flow shows a slightly different picture but the sharing of the common haplotypes still reveal strong affiliations of both Japanese and Koreans to the Chinese and of the Japanese to the Koreans:

Population studies of genetic markers such as HLA variation and mitochondrial DNA have been used to understand human origins, demographic and migration history. Recently, diversity on the nonrecombining portion of the Y chromosome (NRY) has been applied to the study of human history. Since NRY is passed from father to son without recombination, polymorphisms in this region are valuable for investigating male-mediated gene flow and for complementing maternally based studies of mtDNA. Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of Korean. By using 38 Y chromosome single nucleotide polymorphism markers, we analyzed the genetic structure of 195 Korean males.

The Korean males were characterized by a diverse set of 4 haplogroups (Groups IV, V, VII, X) and 14 haplotypes that were also present in Chinese.

The most frequent haplogroup in Korean was Group VII (82.6%). It was also the most frequent haplogroup in Chinese (95%) as well as in Japanese (45%). The frequencies of the haplogroups V, IV, and X were 15.4%, 1%, and 1%, respectively. The second most frequent haplogroup V in Korean was not present in Chinese, but its frequency was similar in Japanese.

Source of study: Sunghee Hong, Seong-Gene Lee, Yongsook Yoon, Kyuyoung Song /University of Ulsan College of Medicine, 388-1 Poongnap-dong, Songpa-ku, Seoul, Korea

Finally, the Y haplogroup chart below shows the relations between the various groups of Asia and their varying degrees of affinity or remoteness to each other.

MtDNA YAP haplogroups (Ainu, Honshu and Okinawan Japanese relationships seen)

Y Haplogroups of the world

Another study published in 2005 on 81 sets of Y chromosomes of six populations across Japan showed:

- The Japanese have at least two very deep pre-Yayoi ancestral Y chromosome lineages (D-P37.1 and C-M8) that descend from Paleolithic founders who had diverged from the mainland and that were then isolated from those populations on the mainland for a very long time. Scientists thought these D lineages to mean the Jomon populations in Japan once upon a time the same ancestors as Tibetans from central Asia who are found with the highest frequency of continental D lineages is found in central Asia. Scientists hypothesized that the area between Tibet and the Altai Mountains in northwestern China is the most likely geographic source of Paleolithic Japanese founding Y chromosomes. ( Historical records suggest that Tibetan populations were derived from ancient tribes of northwestern China that subsequently moved to the south and mixed with the southern natives in the last 3,000 years.) A separate recent mtDNA study on the Haplogroup M12 – the mitochondrial component of Japanese genes, the counterpart of Y chromosome D lineage – also confirmed the direct connections of Japanese haplotypes with Tibet. This rare haplogroup is possessed only by mainland Japanese, Koreans, and Tibetans, with the highest frequency and diversity in Tibet. These Paleolithic ancestors were thought to have migrated into Japan sometime around 20,000 years ago.

Interestingly, the Y chromosome study also suggested that there could be one other Japanese Paleolithic founding that found its way to the Japanese archipelago, these early ancestors carried the Y-STR haplogroup, C-M8, a Y-chromosome haplotype that is related to Indian and central Asian C chromosomes. This set of C-M8 Y chromosomes were thought to be carried into Japan sometime around just before 12,000 years ago.
The same study also concluded that Jomon genes have survived till today showing up at high frequencies in Japanese populations today (34.7%) The scientists having charted the Haplogroup D chromosome-carrying populations who were found to exist at frequencies distributed in an inverted U-shaped pattern across the archipelago, with the highest frequencies occurring in the southern Ryukyuans (Okinawa) and the northern Ainu (Hokkaido). The results suggested to scientists that not only the distinct genetic contribution of Paleolithic ancestors but that they had intermarried (admixed) with the later income Yayoi migrant populations who were of a separate and different haplotype O lineage.

In a nutshell, what we can evince and conclude from all the DNA data that has been presented is that the Japanese people are a people with mixed diverse origins, formed from many waves of migrations from various locations in the remote past as well as in the more recent past.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

i find roughness in some chinese men's skins and they have distinct caucasian type bone shapes in noses, cheeks and foreheads and they may be features of the presence of caucasian genes, i am not sure about it though

Because China is a large nation since the historical time.

Unlike the Korean and Japan which got permanently stranded in a little corner in Northeast Asia, China's historical western border usually extends to Central Asia/Siberia.

Thus the Chinese population might get more influence from the ancient Caucasoid population from Central Asia and Siberia.