Why Shouldn't India Win the World Cup According to our Marxist Journalists,Hear it

[Nicky G]

Nationalism in India is = Hindutva

Not really, its more about putting your nation above everything else, including your religion.

I have never heard any nationalist disrespecting Abdul Kalam for instance or other Muslims who have contributed to our country such as during the freedom struggle.

However, if you religion means you'd associate with other countries / our enemies at the cost of your own, that's unacceptable.

 

[Spring Onion]

Not really, its more about putting your nation above everything else, including your religion.

I have never heard any nationalist disrespecting Abdul Kalam for instance or other Muslims who have contributed to our country such as during the freedom struggle.

However, if you religion means you'd associate with other countries / our enemies at the cost of your own, that's unacceptable.

If you apply the same formula on Indian Hindus then yes what you are saying is the case BUT the issue with India is that Indian fanatic Hindus call it Nationalism if Indian Muslims stop following on religion because that offends Hindus.

For them it is Nationalism if Muslims start bowing to hindu gods but if these Muslims refuse singing vande mataram then they lack nationalism and they are not Indians.

 

[indianBong]

Fat slob himself forgot -- How USSR encouraged Sports as a symbol of Strength and even propaganda posters were Released by state -- But i failed to understand how winning world cup is related to Hindutva Nationalism.

Marxist are a hell of a screwd twisted people....no one knows them better than we bongs in india.... when they are not in power they will speak of liberty, freedom, democracy, secularism, humanity etc etc.. the moment they come to power there attitude changes completely overnight... they install a dictator, no more freedom of speech, no more democracy, no more humanity(people will be killed at slighest suspicion), as well as shows ultra nationalism(the very idea they were against when not in power).... bloody antinationals..

 

[Nicky G]

If you apply the same formula on Indian Hindus then yes what you are saying is the case BUT the issue with India is that Indian fanatic Hindus call it Nationalism if Indian Muslims stop following on religion because that offends Hindus.

For them it is Nationalism if Muslims start bowing to hindu gods but if these Muslims refuse singing vande mataram then they lack nationalism and they are not Indians.

Nope, I see nothing to back that up. No one is asking Muslims to stop praying to their god. However, your god can't justify associating with enemy nations at the expense of your own.

Calling India a Hindu nation does not mean its not not secular just as calling US a Christian nation does not mean the same. I am sure you are aware of how this rhetoric is repeated by US politicians.

Vande Mataram is a separate issue as it enjoys a special status. Please provide me links to show that Muslims who were present at the time of drafting the constitution of India had any problems with the song. Else, its just modern propaganda.

 

[Faiez]

It says "Sociologist"...

These idiots take it for "Socialist"...

Level of illiteracy...

The writer makes a decent point....A world cup win will only strengthen Hindu Nationalists' ego...

 

[Spring Onion]

Nope, I see nothing to back that up. No one is asking Muslims to stop praying to their god. However, your god can't justify associating with enemy nations at the expense of your own.

really ? then the enemy nations can apply the same formula on own minorities too why cry then.

Calling India a Hindu nation does not mean its not not secular just as calling US a Christian nation does not mean the same. I am sure you are aware of how this rhetoric is repeated by US politicians.

You can not compare US with India. US has bigger human rights equality and secular values in practice than India.

Vande Mataram is a separate issue as it enjoys a special status. Please provide me links to show that Muslims who were present at the time of drafting the constitution of India had any problems with the song. Else, its just modern propaganda.

and how Muslim members of Hindu parties can oppose that?
and oh its not a modern propaganda but it had been an issue even before the partition.

 

[Nicky G]

really ? then the enemy nations can apply the same formula on own minorities too why cry then.

If you mean Pak, there is no pretense of secularism, so no one is crying.

However, if you expect people to be fine with putting religion at the cost of country, that's unreasonable and childish; one which no sane democracy with all the rights they provide accept.

You can not compare US with India. US has bigger human rights equality and secular values in practice than India.

Laughable. Slavery and segregation alone demolishes any human rights.

There is nothing that makes the two incomparable in the context.

and how Muslim members of Hindu parties can oppose that?
and oh its not a modern propaganda but it had been an issue even before the partition.

So you have no actual quotes from Muslim leaders at the time it was given the status of national song. Refer me to dissenting voices in the parliament.

You'd need to back that assertion that it was an issue. Even if it were, since it was adopted, it stops being a concern, else they are free to approach the courts and their verdict would be respected

 

[Spring Onion]

If you mean Pak, there is no pretense of secularism, so no one is crying.

In a secular country why impose a religious song on others?

However, if you expect people to be fine with putting religion at the cost of country, that's unreasonable and childish; one which no sane democracy with all the rights they provide accept.

how not singing a hindu religious song is costing the country by Indian Muslims?

Laughable. Slavery and segregation alone demolishes any human rights.

There is nothing that makes the two incomparable in the context.

you mean US and India are equal viz a viz human rights ?

So you have no actual quotes from Muslim leaders at the time it was given the status of national song. Refer me to dissenting voices in the parliament.

You'd need to back that assertion that it was an issue. Even if it were, since it was adopted, it stops being a concern, else they are free to approach the courts and their verdict would be respected

adopting only two stanzas of it as national song and making it mandatory to sing in schools are two different things.

as for the bold part well then Hindu fanatics should respect the court because the Court had already given its verdict in one such case that not singing the song is NOT against the constitution

 

[Nicky G]

In a secular country why impose a religious song on others?

What's religious?

When in UK you say 'god save the queen' how is that not religious?

When in US you say' god bless america' how is that not religious?

how not singing a hindu religious song is costing the country by Indian Muslims?

I never said it was, you are conflating two different issues.

you mean US and India are equal viz a viz human rights ?

Nah, they don't need to be for my statement to be valid. There is no requirement for parity in human rights for one nation to be able to call itself Christian and still be secular while another call itself Hindu and not be.

Actually, since colonialism had Christian aspect to it, it should be less acceptable for them to be able to do so.

adopting only two stanzas of it as national song and making it mandatory to sing in schools are two different things.

as for the bold part well then Hindu fanatics should respect the court because the Court had already given its verdict in one such case that not singing the song is NOT against the constitution

So again, do you have anything to back up that Muslims protested this when it was inducted?

Cool if the courts have given verdict. By the way, which court, HC or SC? It carries more weight if its the latter.

 

[Bornubus]

Marxist are a hell of a screwd twisted people....no one knows them better than we bongs in india.... when they are not in power they will speak of liberty, freedom, democracy, secularism, humanity etc etc.. the moment they come to power there attitude changes completely overnight... they install a dictator, no more freedom of speech, no more democracy, no more humanity(people will be killed at slighest suspicion), as well as shows ultra nationalism(the very idea they were against when not in power).... bloody antinationals..

Its good you kicked their Red A for good

 

[indianBong]

Its good you kicked their Red A for good

We kicked them, in return we got something far more dreadful... on who calls Burdhwan blast by jamatis as RAW conspiracy....!!! Atleast commies in west bengal were strict with those religious nuts..

 

[Soumitra]

If you apply the same formula on Indian Hindus then yes what you are saying is the case BUT the issue with India is that Indian fanatic Hindus call it Nationalism if Indian Muslims stop following on religion because that offends Hindus.

For them it is Nationalism if Muslims start bowing to hindu gods but if these Muslims refuse singing vande mataram then they lack nationalism and they are not Indians.

No you are wrong. For Indian Muslims we just expect a nationalist Muslim to put the Nation before religion and not vice versa. No rooting for Pakistan because of some ummah BS. Not being ashamed to sing the National Song

 

[vegav]

To be honest,Bengalis are more and more becoming anti-nationals by the each passing day.I mean,there was a time when the Bengali community produced countless Nationalists who fought against the mightiest empire of the world and the most important fact was that they were all Dharmic Nationalists and used to carry a small copy of Srimad Bhagavad Geeta in their pockets.I feel sad whenever i look at this total degeneration of the Bengali community.Man,imagine my frustration when i see that my own community is increasingly showing an anti-national feeling and there is nothing that i can do to stop this process.

funny part is that,i still see non uppercaste hindu bengalis still very very patriotic.

 

[Mike_Brando]

funny part is that,i still see non uppercaste hindu bengalis still very very patriotic.

Well it's not about the castes as far as i can understand.I mean,i myself am a Brahmin by birth(although i have renounced all form of casteism and only identify myself to be an Indian and a Dharmic by religion) and i will never ever say or do anything which will be detrimental to my Motherland.The problem lies in the Bengali society which has long been fed with the b.s. of socialism and communism and hence nowadays many of the Bengalis identify themselves as liberals and intellectuals or should i say pseudo-intellectuals.It has become a fashion or rather an increasing trend in the present day scenario to mock and criticize all forms of nationalism and patriotism among the Bengali community at large.But i can assure you that there are millions like me in my community who identify themselves as Indians first and would do anything to safeguard the interests of our Motherland.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Nationalism in India is = Hindutva




you will be doing that one day

Nationalism is Nationalism.Hindutva is also a part of it.
Well if BCCI was paying up cash then India should win all CUPS and matches it plays not by talent of players.