Why russia is offering pak its best weapons

[Asli Lahori1]

KID MKI is a Indian Variant with substantial percentage of Indian designed and manufactured avionics. They took six years to develop from start to MKI. Advanced avionics were developed by DRDO under a project code named "Vetrivale" (a Tamil name for the victorious lance carried by the youthful Lord Karthikeya or Murugan, a son of Parvati and Shiva) in close collaboration with the PSUs and the IAF. Indian avionics have been received and acknowledged enthusiastically by the Russian principals.

The following are the components developed by Indian agencies:

• Mission Computer cum Display Processor - MC-486 and DP-30MK (Defence Avionics Research Establishment - DARE)
• Radar Computer - RC1 and RC2 (DARE)
• Tarang Mk2 Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) + High Accuracy Direction Finding Module (HADF) (DARE
• IFF-1410A - Identification Friend or Foe (IFF)
• Integrated Communication suite INCOM 1210A (HAL)
• Radar Altimeter - RAM-1701 (HAL)
• Programmable Signal Processor (PSP) - (LRDE)
• Multi Function Displays (MFD) - Samtel/DARE

HAL Time to Time Upgrade MKI'S Like Adding Brahmos With It And Integration of RAM Coatings and DASH HMDS Topsight in Future

Oh I am sorry uncle. you forgot about mission toilet seats.

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

Russia as policy sells it's most advanced systems to very few clients..India and China fall into that category.

Su-30 MKM was one of the most advanced aircrafts from Russia before Su-35 was put out for sale. They have offered the Su-35 to Indonesia, Brazil and Malaysia and only Indonesia has shown interest in buying it till now.

Also, Russia have been discussing the sale of S-400 (export version) to Saudi Arabia. Thus proving that it doesn't sell its most advanced weapons to "a few selected clients".

 

[majid mehmood]

just asking what do you manufacture yourself ... i mean your nation

just go to pac website it will tell u what it manufacture and that to only 10% bcz it has not been updated since 2009
and of course more companies are there such as desto or sagem which manufacture 60% of parts
so pls dont ask useless Qs

 

[dadeechi]

Very balanced post. Good analysis. Glad to see intelligence vs. everything India and India focused. You should write more in other threads. There aren't a lot of "balanced" posters on here from India.

Also, Iranians are independent, but there is "realistic independence" and "stupid independence". They are the later. A smart and most beneficial decision is the one made for strategic purposes, Iran lacks that "strategic partnership" view. While people running Pakistan come from global business background. They are ALL about strategic partnerships as all parties involved get something out of it (something that India did very well till Modi came).

Russians and the Chinese will get connected with Pakistan through the roads, rail and through the Ocean (airways already exist). Just between these three countries, you are talking 1.7 billion people within days of local drive. Now add Pakistan's influence on the ME / Muslim countries, you are looking at another seriously lucrative market for pretty much everything, with plenty of money. If there is any country who can make Saudi's and UAE buy Russian or the Chinese weapons worth a few billion, its Pakistan (a few billions is really a little investment for these countries like small change as they are filthy rich)!!!! So you have to see the bigger picture.

Pakistan is also a nuke power too and it poised to become a regional military power, and the top 15th economy within the next 10-15 years. Everyone sees that and knows that. Ten years from now, Pakistan's military and economic influence would be tremendously larger than today. So these countries want to form strategic partnership with Pakistan early so everyone reaps the benefits of Pakistan's growth.

"Independent" policy is neither a permanent phenomenon nor a virtue. For most part it is driven by circumstances.

Generally, there is always inherent rivalry between immediate neighbors (both land & sea) as they try to grow & pull the small neighbors around into their orbits of influence.

Pakistan- India, India-China, Iran-Russia, Iran-Turkey, Russia-Turkey, Iran-Saudi, Russia-China, China-Japan, Russo-Japan are some examples.

Alliances have their pitfalls too if not properly made and understood.

Pakistan being part of both SEATO & CENTO could not get any help in its wars with India as the aim of those alliances was to prevent the spread of communism from China and USSR - Not to fight India.

On the other hand India while being Independent (not being part of the alliances) was still cooperating with US against China in Tibet.

After wars of 1962 and 1965 with China and Pakistan, India needed strong support to with stand the rivals which resulted in the Indo-USSR treaty.

US itself sensed the irrelevance of SEATO & CENTO alliances and took advantage of the Russo-China rivalry to make an direct alliance with China to oppose the larger threat from USSR.

With Turkey, Saudi and Pakistan (all neighbors of Iran) having an alliance with US, it gave little room for Iran and was forced to side with Russia even though Russia and Iran had their own rivalry in Caspian sea.

Countries always face multiple threats and rivals but the alliances are made or broken based on the evolving threats, lesser of the evils and the benefits such an alliance would bring in.

No doubt Pakistan has played its cards very well and is currently being offered lucrative proposals by all the three super powers of the world to retain their influence in the country.

 

[My-Analogous]

Why?

I asked counter question. Why not?

"Independent" policy is neither a permanent phenomenon nor a virtue. For most part it is driven by circumstances.

Generally, there is always inherent rivalry between immediate neighbors (both land & sea) as they try to grow & pull the small neighbors around into their orbits of influence.

Pakistan- India, India-China, Iran-Russia, Iran-Turkey, Russia-Turkey, Iran-Saudi, Russia-China, China-Japan, Russo-Japan are some examples.

Alliances have their pitfalls too if not properly made and understood.

Pakistan being part of both SEATO & CENTO could not get any help in its wars with India as the aim of those alliances was to prevent the spread of communism from China and USSR - Not to fight India.

On the other hand India while being Independent (not being part of the alliances) was still cooperating with US against China in Tibet.

After wars of 1962 and 1965 with China and Pakistan, India needed strong support to with stand the rivals which resulted in the Indo-USSR treaty.

US itself sensed the irrelevance of SEATO & CENTO alliances and took advantage of the Russo-China rivalry to make an direct alliance with China to oppose the larger threat from USSR.

With Turkey, Saudi and Pakistan (all neighbors of Iran) having an alliance with US, it gave little room for Iran and was forced to side with Russia even though Russia and Iran had their own rivalry in Caspian sea.

Countries always face multiple threats and rivals but the alliances are made or broken based on the evolving threats, lesser of the evils and the benefits such an alliance would bring in.

No doubt Pakistan has played its cards very well and is currently being offered lucrative proposals by all the three super powers of the world to retain their influence in the country.

Good to see that you have analyzing power and you are a person who didn't come under influence easily.

 

[MEAGAN FOXSS]

If @MastanKhan is Indian then u r our leader NS

Masten khan is silly with no brain just a brain like a pkhakhtoon lol . . . . . .

Very balanced post. Good analysis. Glad to see intelligence vs. everything India and India focused. You should write more in other threads. There aren't a lot of "balanced" posters on here from India.

Also, Iranians are independent, but there is "realistic independence" and "stupid independence". They are the later. A smart and most beneficial decision is the one made for strategic purposes, Iran lacks that "strategic partnership" view. While people running Pakistan come from global business background. They are ALL about strategic partnerships as all parties involved get something out of it (something that India did very well till Modi came).

Russians and the Chinese will get connected with Pakistan through the roads, rail and through the Ocean (airways already exist). Just between these three countries, you are talking 1.7 billion people within days of local drive. Now add Pakistan's influence on the ME / Muslim countries, you are looking at another seriously lucrative market for pretty much everything, with plenty of money. If there is any country who can make Saudi's and UAE buy Russian or the Chinese weapons worth a few billion, its Pakistan (a few billions is really a little investment for these countries like small change as they are filthy rich)!!!! So you have to see the bigger picture.

Pakistan is also a nuke power too and it poised to become a regional military power, and the top 15th economy within the next 10-15 years. Everyone sees that and knows that. Ten years from now, Pakistan's military and economic influence would be tremendously larger than today. So these countries want to form strategic partnership with Pakistan early so everyone reaps the benefits of Pakistan's growth.

Exactly bro Pakistan will be the top 5 countries economically in next 10 to 15 years believed me . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

[majid mehmood]

With Turkey, Saudi and Pakistan (all neighbors of Iran) having an alliance with US, it gave little room for Iran and was forced to side with Russia even though Russia and Iran had their own rivalry in Caspian sea.

iran in behind the scene has been supported by Americans
during the gulf war i read in newspaper that any ship crossing Iran's ocean will be charged $50000 or else ship will be destroyed but ship with american flag will be allowed to go free plus with privileges

 

[dadeechi]

iran in behind the scene has been supported by Americans
during the gulf war i read in newspaper that any ship crossing Iran's ocean will be charged $50000 or else ship will be destroyed but ship with american flag will be allowed to go free plus with privileges

International relations are never black and white.

With USSR making huge inroads into middle east with it's Baath parties and supporting nationalistic (non-aligned) leaders like Nasser on the Aswan Dam, I am pretty sure US/West would have played their cards overtly or covertly to limit the influence of USSR.

There was a theory that Ayatollah Khomeini was covertly propped up by the western alliance to replace shah of Iran who was getting unpopular with the risk of Iran falling under communist influence.

Infact Ayatollah Khomeini spent time in Turkey and France before returning to Iran to replace the Shah.

BTW do you know that the forefathers of Ayatollah Khomeini are from India.

 

[PakEye]

just asking what do you manufacture yourself ... i mean your nation

Just answering as you are asking
what do YoUUUU manufacture yourself
you are Importing the kits from Russia and Assembling in HAL and call Su-30MKI, importing awacs from Israeal, Teja Engine from USA &&&& more

 

[illusion8]

I asked counter question. Why not?

Russia's done quite well for itself without pakistan, infact all major powers have done quite well without pakistan providing access or without selling weapons to it, so my question still stands..why is Pakistan the most important country for russia as the poster suggested?.

 

[Signalian]

lol do u even know arabs are too close to usa to buy russian weapons

Arab countries are dominated by US weapons market but diversification is there.
UAE has diversified its weapons The primary IFV and APC of UAE is BMP3
BM-21 and BM 30 in UAE service.
Syria and Egypt also uses russian origin AD weapons like T-72 and Pechora, Buk ,Tor etc resp.
BMP-2 in Jordanian army.
There maybe other Arab countries also.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Finally the truth, Brahmos is Russian

Best Russian weapons
PAK FA T-50 = No
S-400/500=No

Russian AESA =No

Armata MBT= No

Nuclear Subs =No

Aircraft Carrier =No

Brahmos = No


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[Akasa]

Its JoKe or what PAK FA is Proven Project with Proven Technology,J-31 is just a Test bed

Newsflash: the T-50 is still in testing.

 

[NKVD]

Newsflash: the T-50 is still in testing.

T-50 has passed the prototype stage and in final phase of the tests

Nearly all its technology are out for public scrutiny

 

[Akasa]

T-50 has passed the prototype stage and in final phase of the tests

Nearly all its technology are out for public scrutiny

Yes, but the term "proven" is being thrown around too much and far too out of context.