Why PTI failed in KPK?

[Zibago]

But punjabi nationalsm doesn't exist

It does you are forgetting the slogan jaag punjabi jaag by a Kashmiri origin dunghole

if one doesn't call N most evil thing ever that doesn't mean nationalism.

That is less of an issue your view on bichara punjab to support pmln as an ethnic party is

When the fact is N have turned Pakistan from brink of disaster in 2013 to today.

Was it at the brink of a disaster?
Nope things were on revovery mode our stock exchange was already breaking barriers

I see that N have done commendable job

Yes in indian appeasement nothing else

Neither PPP will grow balls to initiate operation in Karachi, Wazisiristan etc

I guess swat operation and south waziristan operation that resulted in millions of idp,s was started by aliens

 

[Kabira]

If N is punjabi nationalist party then why I see so many muhajirs, baloch, and patahsn in it? hahaha

Do you see any punjabi in ANP and MQM?

 

[Realistic Change]

Lately, the PML-N leadership had tasked its K-P chapter to target the PTI strongholds by offering development schemes to locals in exchange for loyalties in the general election – a plan that backfired and attracted public outrage.

Resultantly, PML-N provincial President Ameer Muqam and General Secretary Murtaza Javed Abbasi had to either call off or cut short their scheduled visits to different parts of K-P after public boycotted their events, said sources.

“In order to get the situation under control, the prime minister himself has decided to step in,” said a source in PML-N’s KP chapter.

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That (in red) must have hurt someone a lot - No?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1414301/busy-abroad-pm-relents-political-front/

 

[Kabira]

Lately, the PML-N leadership had tasked its K-P chapter to target the PTI strongholds by offering development schemes to locals in exchange for loyalties in the general election

offering development in return of votes is crime? This is classic technique in punjab, politicians go from village to village and offer them gas connections, electricicity, better roads, clean water etc This is why N win and not PTI who only care about Panama.

Now if people want to vote for other reasons and live in misery then don't vote for N.

PTI call this "corruption" to win votes aahhaa wtf. They blamed N for doing this in punjab by election to win votes.

 

[Syed1.]

offering development in return of votes is crime? This is classic technique in punjab, politicians go from village to village and offer them gas connections, electricicity, better roads, clean water etc This is why N win and not PTI who only care about Panama.

Now if people want to vote for other reasons and live in misery then don't vote for N.

PTI call this "corruption" to win votes aahhaa wtf. They blamed N for doing this in punjab by election to win votes.

Yeah so lying to people and giving them false hope for a better future is right?

Everyday you display your babooni IQ with even more force.

 

[Kabira]

Yeah so lying to people and giving them false hope for a better future is right?

Everyday you display your babooni IQ with even more force.

Looks like your IQ is going down the gutter since you only vote MQM even if they offer boris. It's not lying, otherwise N wouldn't have initiated clean water, electricity, gas, education, road projects for rural areas.

 

[Syed1.]

Looks like your IQ is going down the gutter since you only vote MQM even if they offer boris. It's not lying, otherwise N wouldn't have initiated clean water, electricity, gas, education, road projects for rural areas.

LMAO just because I'm from Karachi that makes me MQM supporter.


And what are the result of these false promises??? Last time I checked the people in rural Punjab still don't have proper access to water, gas, sewerage system, education and health despite 30 years of Noora rule.

Unfortunately for you, you are too simple minded to understand it.

 

[Kabira]

LMAO just because I'm from Karachi that makes me MQM supporter.


And what are the result of these false promises??? Last time I checked the people in rural Punjab still don't have proper access to water, gas, sewerage system, education and health despite 30 years of Noora rule.

Unfortunately for you, you are too simple minded to understand it.

Do you think rural areas will become developed in few years? I wish that was possible but even cities have clean water and electricity shortages. N have started many projects and slowly whole punjab will have clean water starting from south punjab districts.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

But punjabi nationalsm doesn't exist, if one doesn't call N most evil thing ever that doesn't mean nationalism. When the fact is N have turned Pakistan from brink of disaster in 2013 to today. I was PTI supporter in 2013 election but now I see that N have done commendable job. Without them Chinese wouldn't dare to invest in Pakistan. Neither PPP will grow balls to initiate operation in Karachi, Wazisiristan etc

I was also so passionate about PTI before 2013 election that I have been involved in doing campaign for them. I still think that 2013 election results for newly formed PTI was impressive if we consider the total numbers of votes casted for them and compare it with previous achievements of PTI but sadly its mindset of PTI leadership and its supporters which will be the reason of downfall of this party.

These hyperbolic self-righteous supporters of PTI always have this negative approach to look for conspiracy theories as if every single institution i.e Army, Judiciary, election commission , Nadra, Police, bureaucracy etc in Pakistan is involve in some sort of conspiracy against them so that even some suicide bomb blasts have been termed as a conspiracy by the government to divert the focus away from the Panama leaks and then this stupid accusations that the prime minister offered 10 Billion to IK to stay mum on the Panama case. People with brain will laugh at this absurd claim.

This obsessive PTI brigade think that abusing PML(N) and calling their voters as patwari, baboon, jahil , gunwaar and corruption lovers will earn them most votes but its opposite. It seem to me that campaign against corruption has actually became campaign against one man i.e singular focus given to Nawaz so it appear as if this struggle is all about degrading leadership of PML(N) for political scoring. Why we don't see this same passion of IK against corruption in KPK, Sindh, Karachi, balochistan?

Now

PTI supporter: Democracy is shit as election are rigged and its impossible to win under this corrupt electoral system
My logic : Why to participate in election when you already know that its corrupt electoral system which favour corrupt then either bring reform before participating in election or don't participate at all rather than moaning and acting as sore losers after getting defeat

PTI supporter: Pakistan is corrupt country and we have corrupt people so its impossible to win majority without corruption and without having control of bureaucracy
My Logic: If that's the case then how you justify the election result in KPK where PTI got majority and how you will justify the election in provinces where other political parties won the majority and again if we look at numbers of votes casted for IK in Punjab then they were quiet impressive as compare to any past results of PTI in Punjab. They even managed to beat PPP and margin of defeat was narrow in different constituencies in Punjab so newly formed party would not able to achieve this fate in few years if we assume that entire system is corrupt so get rid of this victim mentality and moaning. I bet PTI could have easily beat PML(N) in next election if they have been doing constructive politics and have been involved in some progressive legislation and concentrated more on development work rather than this non stop rhona dhona by playing as victim

PTI supporters : People are voting for PML(N) candidate because they love corruption and status quo
My logic: Ptian think that no sane and educated Pakistani can support PML(N) who is incompetent and thoroughly corrupt as per their personal opinions but Ptians should stop painting entire supporters of PML(N) with one brush . They have educated voters from urban class then they also have illiterate rural class who also vote for them. Some are rich voters while others are poor and they all vote for PML(N) candidate for different reasons i.e they may think that these candidate are doing remarkable job in their own constituencies as compare to others alternate available in there I,e for example if you visit the constituency of choudry nisar then you will often hear people talk positively about him. Your leadership should try to win the trust of these voters rather than you guys bashing and insulting them because they don't perceive IK as political messiah .

PTI supporters : PTI and PPP is party of goons, looters and corrupt people
My logic: Why Imran khan is welcoming such goons, looters and corrupt people from others political parties ? I really dont know what kind of Naya Pakistan PTI has in mind but If sheeda talli, Khar, Jatoi, Haleem khan, Firdous ashiq awan. Mahmood Qureshi are the faces of Naya Pakistan then future of Naya Pakistan is very much same as old Pakistan

 

[Spring Onion]

But punjabi nationalsm doesn't exist, if one doesn't call N most evil thing ever that doesn't mean nationalism.

This is called Tugga nationalism

When the fact is N have turned Pakistan from brink of disaster in 2013 to today.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

If N is punjabi nationalist party then why I see so many muhajirs, baloch, and patahsn in it? hahaha

Do you see any punjabi in ANP and MQM?

Is not Nawaz ethnic Kashmiri?

 

[Kabira]

Is not Nawaz ethnic Kashmiri?

yes but he's from punjab so doesn't count. I meant N have pathans, baloch and muhajirs from other provinces in party. Clearly they don't know manifesto of N league.

 

[haviZsultan]

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To me a Punjabi nationalist is worse than scum his kind were against Pakistan just like Molvis

I hate Kashmiri nationalists and Punjabi nationalist scum who put their ethno fascist agenda before Pakistan

Trust me urdu speaking nationalists are just the same. Hate everyone around them and unwilling to accept their prominent position in Pakistan with urdu the national language, muhajirs having highest gdp per capita and education, and wealth being skewed towards them. Karachi accounts for 30% of revenue for Pakistan and is the capital of Sindh. Completely in the hands of muhajirs financially, socially and demographically. On the other hand Sindhis have a worse poverty rate in rural sindh (95% sindhi) than even Balochistan which is the poorest province in the country.

This is not only a problem in Punjab. I mean what is the logic of having ethnic parties. Its like a fashion statement these days. Punjabis and Muhajirs are at the top of the national heirarchy, this is not opinion but fact. Balochistan and parts of KPK are in a terrible situation and that is the only reason-no development and education occurring there that Afghans and Indians are exploiting and leading the youth astray.

I hate PMLN and its Punjabi chauvinism but I don't think these people will look at the bigger picture or change the way they vote for the benefit of Pakistan or for a uniting ideology even if it makes Pakistan a fractured state of varying ethnic groups each voting for an ethnic party. Their thinking is small and based on the fracturing concept of regionalism. Hence no point arguing with them. You argue with someone willing to change his ways and try for a better Pakistan, those who accept the status quo and corruption as a natural part of the system. No wonder people lose hope in the system and set their rocks in a foreign boat of another country. Pakistanis aren't ready to think beyond ethnicity. The voting trends can be seen very clearly if there hasn't been rigging. PMLN has its base in Punjab, PPP in Sindh, ANP in KPK, MQM in Karachi and hyderabad, so on. The ones defending pmln are part of the corrupt system and part of the wider problem of tolerating corruption.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Do you think rural areas will become developed in few years? I wish that was possible but even cities have clean water and electricity shortages. N have started many projects and slowly whole punjab will have clean water starting from south punjab districts.

Imran khan will build naya Pakistan with lotaaz. Mahmood quershi cannot give clean water to Multan when he was ruling in there but now he will provide them everything under the banner of PTI ..they don't realize that Naya Pakistan is just illusion nothing else as no one has this magic to fix all problems of Pakistan in few years in presence of lack of funds/infrastructure, terrorism, political instability where opposition is pulling your legs and also facing many border issues and enmity from neighbouring countries ..look KPK government did not even utilise 20 percent of their kpk development budget in 2014-2015 as was busy in dharna

yes but he's from punjab so doesn't count. I meant N have pathans, baloch and muhajirs from other provinces in party. Clearly they don't know manifesto of N league.

I as saying this because they are saying that people support PML(N) because he is Punjabi which is bullshit as PPP got majority in Punjab in past as well

 

[Kabira]

Trust me urdu speaking nationalists are just the same. Hate everyone around them and unwilling to accept their prominent position in Pakistan with urdu the national language, muhajirs having highest gdp per capita and education, and wealth being skewed towards them. Karachi accounts for 30% of revenue for Pakistan and is the capital of Sindh. Completely in the hands of muhajirs financially, socially and demographically. On the other hand Sindhis have a worse poverty rate in rural sindh (95% sindhi) than even Balochistan which is the poorest province in the country.

This is not only a problem in Punjab. I mean what is the logic of having ethnic parties. Its like a fashion statement these days. Punjabis and Muhajirs are at the top of the national heirarchy, this is not opinion but fact. Balochistan and parts of KPK are in a terrible situation and that is the only reason-no development and education occurring there that Afghans and Indians are exploiting and leading the youth astray.

I hate PMLN and its Punjabi chauvinism but I don't think these people will look at the bigger picture or change the way they vote for the benefit of Pakistan or for a uniting ideology even if it makes Pakistan a fractured state of varying ethnic groups each voting for an ethnic party. Their thinking is small and based on the fracturing concept of regionalism. Hence no point arguing with them. You argue with someone willing to change his ways and try for a better Pakistan, those who accept the status quo and corruption as a natural part of the system. No wonder people lose hope in the system and set their rocks in a foreign boat of another country. Pakistanis aren't ready to think beyond ethnicity. The voting trends can be seen very clearly if there hasn't been rigging. PMLN has its base in Punjab, PPP in Sindh, ANP in KPK, MQM in Karachi and hyderabad, so on. The ones defending pmln are part of the corrupt system and part of the wider problem of tolerating corruption.

Favourite arguments of Karachi muahjirs is to say look N is ethnic party like MQM. When the reality couldn't be further from the truth. Here is the difference, no punjabi, baloch and sindhi in MQM and ANP. In N league there are members from every corner of Pakistan, they most have missed N league ethnic manifesto.

Reality is PPP, N and now PTI are only true mainstream parties in this country. They may make governments in certain provinces and not others but that doesn't make them ethnic.