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Monday, March 19, 2007

Why Pakistan is crucial to world stability

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: India is rightly seen as a strategic partner for the West, especially the US, which is playing a balance-of-power game using India against China. But Pakistan, not India, is key to stability in the new world order, according to a report in The Observer.

Anyone who wants political power in Pakistan, so say the street pundits, must hold three aces – America, the army and Allah. As Pakistan plans its 60th birthday celebrations this year, it may hope for a future less in thrall to its military, to its mullahs and to Washington. President Pervez Musharraf, who took power in a bloody 1999 coup, is facing a crisis, said the report.

Far from being NATO’s calm eastern ally, a new front in the fight against terrorism, Islamabad’s streets feel shaky, divided and waiting for the worst. Pakistan is neither dictatorship nor democracy. Its newspapers are louder in criticism of their president than the anti-Blair or anti-Bush press in the West. Its intellectuals roam the world, trashing their country. Opposition politician, Cambridge-educated billionaire, Benazir Bhutto, is free to return home when she wants. But Gen Musharraf and his army are in charge. The house arrest of suspended Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, after he refused Musharraf’s demand to resign, has caused outrage. In a nation that reveres high office, the manhandling of the judge shocked even the most cynical of Pakistani politicians.

Pakistan urgently needs a return to democratic civilian rule even if its elected leaders in the nineties became bywords for corruption, encouraging the Taliban and the madrassas, as well as the long-bearded, turban-wearing politicians who insist the law should be subordinate to theocracy. Democracy requires compromise between the military and the politicians. Instead there may be a slow drift towards increased authoritarianism under Musharraf, further alienating Pakistan.

In fact, the most poignant story in Pakistan last week was not about the chief justice but the stoning to death of a woman and two men accused of adultery. The rise of religious intolerance is now a political danger from the Christian West to the Muslim East. Yet it is all too easy to patronise Pakistan.

Britain is currently gushing over India with its clever graduates and Midas-touch businessmen. But India’s record on human rights and the illiteracy of half its population is little better than Pakistan’s.

The chain reaction that began when the West and Saudi Arabia called into being the jihadi movement to oust the Russians from Afghanistan is coming back to haunt Pakistan. In the eighties it allowed itself to be the base for military attacks on Russia, even as the USSR tottered on the edge of history’s dustbin. Now the jihadis are heading steadily eastwards as fanatical Islamism preaches hate and justifies suicide bombings. But Afghanistan could be saved if a political-economic-social campaign can gain ground from a purely military definition of the challenges.

The news is good in terms of schools, roads and hospitals built. Kabul looks richer than when it was a hippy-trail stopover three decades ago. But relentlessly the Taliban and the jihadis from among the three million Afghan refugees in Pakistan are back in business. Pakistan is endlessly reproached about not doing enough. It is told to close its frontier, as if the US can close the Mexican border or 30,000 British soldiers could seal the border across which IRA killers roamed. Pakistan is pressured to hunt Bin Laden, but NATO can’t find Radovan Karadzic or persuade the Serbian army to stop protecting Ratko Mladic.

The time is overdue to acknowledge the sacrifices Pakistan has made. It has 80,000 soldiers along the 2,300-km frontier with Afghanistan; 500 have been killed, far in excess of NATO casualties in Afghanistan or Britain’s in Iraq. India could join the war against terror by removing its 700,000 soldiers from Kashmir and opening the border. Musharraf has been braver than his predecessors in acknowledging that Indian-controlled Kashmir is not going to return to Pakistan.

If Pakistan felt its eastern flank was secure, it could transfer its military to the west – Afghanistan. Britain in recent years has given £1bn in aid to India, while India spends £200m on aid to Afghanistan. UK aid is, in effect, subsidising India’s efforts to pull Afghanistan into its orbit. India is opening consulates in parts of Afghanistan where no Indian has been seen in years. From Pakistan’s perspective, this looks like India seeking influence in order to keep up pressure on its old foe.

This summer heroin will be cheaper on the streets of Pakistan than sweets. India and China have a bigger drugs problem than the UK. Both countries should cut Islamabad some slack. If Afghanistan goes wrong, the next target for the ideologues who unleash suicide bombers will be Pakistan with its nuclear arsenal. Pakistan is the key to defeating the new threats to the world. Time and again, the West has turned its back on Pakistan. That mistake should not be made again. Britain, with its close links to Pakistan, its able, articulate Muslim MPs, and its duty to tell America to change tactics, should help before it is too late.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\03\19\story_19-3-2007_pg7_20
 
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Excellent read, I couldn't agree more with the last five paragraphs.
 
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Britain is currently gushing over India with its clever graduates and Midas-touch businessmen. But India’s record on human rights and the illiteracy of half its population is little better than Pakistan’s.

India and Pakistan has much better literacy rates than what the author says. hlf the population, my foot.

The chain reaction that began when the West and Saudi Arabia called into being the jihadi movement to oust the Russians from Afghanistan is coming back to haunt Pakistan.

Very true, its a deal gone wrong.

US can close the Mexican border or 30,000 British soldiers could seal the border across which IRA killers roamed.Pakistan is pressured to hunt Bin Laden, but NATO can’t find Radovan Karadzic or persuade the Serbian army to stop protecting Ratko Mladic.

Is the argument, 'we are as incapable as you' ?

Terrorists will always have the edge in bypassing the security forces as they need to succeed only once. IRA bombings are nothing in comparison the level of threat relatd to taliban and AQ.

It has 80,000 soldiers along the 2,300-km frontier with Afghanistan; 500 have been killed, far in excess of NATO casualties in Afghanistan or Britain’s in Iraq.

Cunning comparison. Is it bigger than the price paid by US in Iraq. If you look at % wise US and Britishers have suffered more casulaties than the Pakistanis. 80K troops and only 500 casualities, that shows the level of enagagement.

India could join the war against terror by removing its 700,000 soldiers from Kashmir and opening the border. Musharraf has been braver than his predecessors in acknowledging that Indian-controlled Kashmir is not going to return to Pakistan. If Pakistan felt its eastern flank was secure, it could transfer its military to the west – Afghanistan.

Its not India's headache. Its Pakistan's problem and let them solve it. India doesnt have 700K soldiers first of all.
 
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India and Pakistan has much better literacy rates than what the author says. hlf the population, my foot.
Agree.
India has crossed 60% whereas Pakistan is reaching that mark.

Is the argument, 'we are as incapable as you' ?
The argument is pot calling kettle black! If US with all her economic and military might cannot control the border with Mexico how can she expect us to achieve that with a porous border of this size??

sts will always have the edge in bypassing the security forces as they need to succeed only once. IRA bombings are nothing in comparison the level of threat relatd to taliban and AQ.
Here's an idea: Let them the border from their side, shoot every sinlge person who's crossing it illegally. :tup:

Cunning comparison. Is it bigger than the price paid by US in Iraq. If you look at % wise US and Britishers have suffered more casulaties than the Pakistanis. 80K troops and only 500 casualities, that shows the level of enagagement.
Considering the fact that its NOT OUR WAR yes it is a bigger price. Even if 100.000 Americans or Nato troops die in Iraq I couldn't care less but every Casualty on my side is one too much.
The toll has crosseds 700 mark including innocent civilians.

Its not India's headache. Its Pakistan's problem and let them solve it. India doesnt have 700K soldiers first of all.
Maybe your government shouldn't cry out loud and try to solve her domestic issues first before trying to 'rebuild' Afghanistan and maligning my government.
Indian pressence in Afghanistan is part of the problem.
 
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Cunning comparison. Is it bigger than the price paid by US in Iraq. If you look at % wise US and Britishers have suffered more casulaties than the Pakistanis. 80K troops and only 500 casualities, that shows the level of enagagement.
How well could a country with a considerably less resources sustain the loss of 500 troops and maintenance of 80K on a volatile border that harms even the best equipped military?
 
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Considering the fact that its NOT OUR WAR yes it is a bigger price. Even if 100.000 Americans or Nato troops die in Iraq I couldn't care less but every Casualty on my side is one too much.
The toll has crosseds 700 mark including innocent civilians.
It is indeed Pakistan's war. It was Pakistan which first bred these terrorists and provided them safe haven and then directed them towards afghanistan and kashmir. US only funded them, it was still Pakistan's choice. Now they have gone out of control and it is Pakistan's responsibility to control them.

Maybe your government shouldn't cry out loud and try to solve her domestic issues first before trying to 'rebuild' Afghanistan and maligning my government.
Why? If our government feels they have money to spare on something that is more critical than our needs, then they are free to spend it that way. Whose maligning your government? India always says that terrorists in Kashmir come from Pakistan, not the ones in Afghanistan. We are spending money in Afghnistan to help that country in a way we see fit, and we have also started to enjoy very good relations with Afghanistan due to that. It is not our problem whether Pakistan feels insecure about it or not. We have an independent relationship with Afghanistan.

Indian pressence in Afghanistan is part of the problem.
Like i said, we have a bilateral relationshipw ith Afghanistan, not a trilateral one including Pakistan.
 
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It is indeed Pakistan's war. It was Pakistan which first bred these terrorists and provided them safe haven and then directed them towards afghanistan and kashmir. US only funded them, it was still Pakistan's choice. Now they have gone out of control and it is Pakistan's responsibility to control them.


Why? If our government feels they have money to spare on something that is more critical than our needs, then they are free to spend it that way. Whose maligning your government? India always says that terrorists in Kashmir come from Pakistan, not the ones in Afghanistan. We are spending money in Afghnistan to help that country in a way we see fit, and we have also started to enjoy very good relations with Afghanistan due to that. It is not our problem whether Pakistan feels insecure about it or not. We have an independent relationship with Afghanistan.
Sorry to disagree. It is as if you are looking from the wrong end of the telescope.

Pakistan did not ask Russia to invade Afghansitan. Pakistan didnot ask US for help. Instead it was US who asked Pakistans help and offered mony as an incentive. SO IT IS NOT PAKISTANS WAR. IT IS NOT PAKISTAN WHO BRED THEM AND PROVIDED THEM WITH SAFE HAVENS. If refugees start pouring into India tomorrow would you shoot them down ?

Pakistan has suffered culturally as well politically because of agreeing to fight a proxy war for the US. Pakistan made a mistake but to call it a Pakistan's war is prepostrous and totally unjust.

Pakistan did not ask Osam Bin Laden to come to Afghanistan. Pakistan is a victim of circumstances. How human feelings tend to twist the facts and view them to suit their outlook never ceases to amaze me. Do you honestly think that Pakistan planned the training of the Mujahideen and asked US for 'Funding' only. It was Pakistan who asked all those Arab Mujaheedin to come to Pakistan including Osama and then sent to fight against USSR. ??

For many years even Northern Alliance fighters were based in Peshawer who are the most ungrateful bunch and now most anti Pakistani. If we hadnot accepted them as our guests most of them would either be dead or still in Russian prisons.

I am sick of the Afghans, let us kick all them them back to Afghanistan or to India if you are so fond of them. Good God , how even the sane people think !!.
 
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Fond or not. Afghanistan is a very important country and its good that we are starting to have such good relations with them for the first time.

Anyway, how is giving or aiding Afghanistan bad for Pakistan as Neo says?? Or India's help and relationship with aafghanistan wrong?
 
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Pakistani could have said NO at any point of time, I would rather call pakistani people a victims of their leaders greed and lack of vision and forsight
 
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You cannot differentiate a country with its leaders. Pakistan was represented by Zia. It was Zia's choice to along american plan, Pakistan was crucial to it. It was Pakistan's choice to join or not. He chose it. He or Pakistan then trained them.
 
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It is indeed Pakistan's war. It was Pakistan which first bred these terrorists and provided them safe haven and then directed them towards afghanistan and kashmir. US only funded them, it was still Pakistan's choice. Now they have gone out of control and it is Pakistan's responsibility to control them.

Why? If our government feels they have money to spare on something that is more critical than our needs, then they are free to spend it that way. Whose maligning your government? India always says that terrorists in Kashmir come from Pakistan, not the ones in Afghanistan. We are spending money in Afghnistan to help that country in a way we see fit, and we have also started to enjoy very good relations with Afghanistan due to that. It is not our problem whether Pakistan feels insecure about it or not. We have an independent relationship with Afghanistan.

Like i said, we have a bilateral relationshipw ith Afghanistan, not a trilateral one including Pakistan.

Sir Niaz has already answered your allegations. In addition to his excellent analysis I'd like to add that all those who have turned their back against the US were once US allies during the Sovjet watr in Afghanistan.

To avoid direct involvement with USSR, The US and her allies used the back door thru Pakistan and funded those who are the rogue elements now.

The mess was created by the Sovjets and later by the US who left the arena hastly once the Sovjets withdrew leaving the country in a vacuum. They are the one's to blaim for Afghanistan not us. All we did is clean up the mess in our backyard.

Btw, it has nothing to do with Kashmir, don't bring it on.
 
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Fond or not. Afghanistan is a very important country and its good that we are starting to have such good relations with them for the first time.
What was your government doing when the Sovjets invaded Afghanistan?
The world boycotted the Moscow Olympics in 1980 to show solidarity with the poor nation.
Where was India then?

Anyway, how is giving or aiding Afghanistan bad for Pakistan as Neo says?? Or India's help and relationship with aafghanistan wrong?
We all know what India is doing in Afghanistan. I don't think it needs explaination. :rolleyes:
 
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No, its related, the same terrorists in Pakistan bomb in Afghanistan and Kashmir. After the US left, did Pakistan not actively direct the terrorists to then goto Kashmir?

Anyways, do explain your statement

Maybe your government shouldn't cry out loud and try to solve her domestic issues first before trying to 'rebuild' Afghanistan and maligning my government.
India's wish where she spends her money.

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Indian pressence in Afghanistan is part of the problem.
How exactly when we are building hospitals and roads there? Refer to my first posts' last 2 paragraphs.
 
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Pakistani could have said NO at any point of time, I would rather call pakistani people a victims of their leaders greed and lack of vision and forsight

No leader, civil or military would have said no to USA at that time. Russians needed to be stopped from gaining access to hot waters of Arabian Sea.
Russia would have won the war without our involvement.
 
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What was your government doing when the Sovjets invaded Afghanistan?
The world boycotted the Moscow Olympics in 1980 to show solidarity with the poor nation.
Where was India then?
It does not matter wherever India was. That is not relevant. It matters where we are NOW. That we care NOW about what happens to Afghanistan. That does not explain your statement that India should not help rebuild afghanistan.

We all know what India is doing in Afghanistan. I don't think it needs explaination. :rolleyes:
Yes, its trying to build a strategic relationship with Afghanistan and as of now its helping rebuild afghanistan, by building roads, hospitals, donating trucks, etc and training their police force, etc, etc
 
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