Why Pak army entered so late into the 1948 war of Kashmir?

[Burhan Wani]

HM is still functioning?.

Yes they are Functioning. 60 percent members of HM are Pushtoons belong from KPK. But i will not tell about their strength and training camps Sorry.

 

[Kabira]

there are various confusing narratives, depending on the account/source one looks to. i think the most reasonable, balanced view based on all these sources is.. that yes, some pashtuns in the lashkar engaged in this. but they were small minority. and the reason was they did not have proper funding/supplies. for them it was a raid, plain and simple. muslim brotherhood with kashmiris was not as important, when ideas of faqir of ipi and anp traitors still held some currency in tribal areas.

that said, the blame falls entirely on whoever was in charge of planning, logistics and promising them more treasure in srinagar. that whole line of thinking is wrong. any force fighting for the cause should have been given adequate supplies. nationalistic fervour among muslims of punjab was very strong, and one could have easily gathered enough money from even poorest villages by invoking Pakistaniyat and kashmir cause.

unfortunately the congressi propaganda was very strong in kashmir valley. they essentially blocked out news of dogra genocide of muslims in jammu, and highlighted baramulla or surrounding areas trying to make it look like kashmir being invaded by foreigners. sheikh abdullah had a big role to play in this, and kashmiris followed what he said. until they realized bania nehru cannot be trusted after he put sk abdullah in jail, rest is history.

it is best to admit we all made mistakes, and did not uphold sacrifice of our martyrs worthily. we could and should have done much more. but most important is to highlight the choice of kashmiris as a fundamental universal human right, through purely political, humanitarian and non violent method. this is only way for plebiscite now.

I agree this looting/plundering by few Lashkars men is overplayed by hindus and their sympathizers. They are not the only one to responsible for failing to capture Sri Nagar.

 

[Spade]

Tribals in Kashmir ceased to exist after nov 7 1947, when, in a brilliant outflanking and encirclement maneuver by IA killed 1000 of them in half an hour. After that, it was PA in disguise and regulars from Chitral. Tribals were there for the easy loot they were promised, not for anything else. Hell, they were cheering the armored cars thinking they were to help them right until the same mean machines opened up raining lead...

 

[Kabira]

Kashmiris(those from Kashmir valley, don't know about Mirpuri) in general keep very negative and hostile views against Pashtuns. I am talking about Kashmiri Muslims.

And once again you are talking out of your a**.

 

[Samandri]

Yes they are Functioning. 60 percent members of HM are Pushtoons belong from KPK. But i will not tell about their strength and training camps Sorry.

I am aware that it was (or is) pashtun majority organization and punjabi component was ordered to separate from HM as JEM. If i am not wrong Fazlur rehman khalil is pashtun.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pashtun warriors entered into Kashmir on october 1947. Indian army entered into kashmir to deal with tribesmen on november 1947 while pak army entered into the war after five months, in May 1948.
1- Why few thousands ill-equipped tribesmen were forwarded to face Indian army with tanks and air force for whole five months?. What were the activities of pak army in this interval?.
2- On official website of Pak army, on page about 1948 war of kashmir, there is not a even single mention of pashtun tribals. What does it mean?. They want to tell us that tribals acted independently and pak army had nothing to do with them? Or that "fodders" are not worthy of mention and credit?.
Kashmir War 1947 - 49

Edit: Was general gracey the reason of that long delay? Why general gracey was not fired for insobordination?

Read this and you shall understand:

 

[Samandri]

Tribals in Kashmir ceased to exist after nov 7 1947, when, in a brilliant outflanking and encirclement maneuver by IA killed 1000 of them in half an hour. After that, it was PA in disguise and regulars from Chitral. Tribals were there for the easy loot they were promised, not for anything else. Hell, they were cheering the armored cars thinking they were to help them right until the same mean machines opened up raining lead...

You are very creative with stories

 

[Spade]

Very creative story

search for "battle of shalateng" which took place on 7 Nov 1947.

 

[Samandri]

According to a Book, tribesmen at baramullah asserted that they will not move towards sri nagar before 3 days eid festival is over. Brigadiar akbar khan also says that tribesmen made 3 days delay at baramullah.

 

[ghoul]

I think the term "tribals" is used for all the Sudhans, Mehsuds, Tanolis, Rajas etc in the uprising rather than Pakhtuns alone. Raja Sakhi Daler's militia was defeated by the Indians and Dogras in Rajouri. There were large scale massacres in Rajouri against the native muslims by the Dogras. The Jarral rajputs who had ruled the Rajouri state for 700 years migrated to Mirpur and Jhelum afterwards(mostly).

And a Kashmiri friend of mine whose family escaped in 48 also told me that Qabaylis did rape women and cut ears and stuff. And the Kashmiris of the valley do not really like the Paharis of AJK and most of the time would not associate themselves with them.

 

[Samandri]

Brigadiar akbar khan writes in his book "raiders of kashmir", that "tribals felt themeselves let down by Pakistan."
Tribals were equiped with just bolt action rifles and they faced regular indian army with tanks, artillary and air crafts, no pakistani army officer was leading from the front. Akbar khan felt that tribals should be provided armoured cars to deal with well-entrenced indian army supported by artillary and airacrafts. But it was rejected by his coward superiors on the ground that it may result into full scale war with india.

 

[INDIC]

And once again you are talking out of your a**.

I believe you should start a thread to talk about fair and lovely like girls.

 

[Kabira]

I believe you should start a thread to talk about fair and lovely like girls.

Post reported, hopefully @WebMaster take action.

Did sikhs beat you again?

 

[Samandri]

I think the term "tribals" is used for all the Sudhans, Mehsuds, Tanolis, Rajas etc in the uprising rather than Pakhtuns alone. Raja Sakhi Daler's militia was defeated by the Indians and Dogras in Rajouri. There were large scale massacres in Rajouri against the native muslims by the Dogras. The Jarral rajputs who had ruled the Rajouri state for 700 years migrated to Mirpur and Jhelum afterwards(mostly).

And a Kashmiri friend of mine whose family escaped in 48 also told me that Qabaylis raped women and cut ears and stuff. And the Kashmiris of the valley do not really like the Paharis of AJK and most of the time would not associate themselves with them.

I think mostly propagandas, were floated around by indians in kashmir and many kashmiris including those of AJK believed it. Many kashmiris , at first, believed that Kazaks of Turkestan have invaded kashmir.
Indians distorted the facts and it worked for them, they didnt mention any thing about chibs, sudhans and others and falsely painted it as merely tribal invasion for loot and plunder. Tribals asserted that they would only proceed from baramullah towards srinagar after 3 days eid festival.
Full text of "THE 1947-48 Kashmir War The war of lost opportunities"

 

[Burhan Wani]

I am aware that it was (or is) pashtun majority organization and punjabi component was ordered to separate from HM as JEM. If i am not wrong Fazlur rehman khalil is pashtun.

NO.JEM was first splinter group from HM because they dont want to make HM militant wing of jamate islami. JEM is weaked and have not more than 100 members.

NO.JEM was first splinter group from HM because they dont want to make HM militant wing of jamate islami. JEM is weaked and have not more than 100 members. Even JEM haven't organized any attack in J&Kyears a go.