Why Nirbhay test failed

[nik141991]

Immature post

Ok

 

[[Bregs]]

Most of scientists doing work for their passion ,money and promotion is secondary always. I think you know well how much money Scientist F/G getting ryt. If they want they can make money somewhere.............

but still they need to follow some ethics in work culture and do not hurry sensitive costly test for personal gains

 

[chhota bheem]

Until yesterday your own country fellows were claiming that it will be tested from a sub.....in fact due to the confusion of the outcome, some were still adamant that land test failed while sub launch was a success.
I guess they were desperate to salvage some pride.

What is there to salvage,when you test ,things will fail if they complex but you and i know if not this time they will get it right nxt time.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

They did that after...

I agree but Pakistan never had a failure, thats true.

Well, they believe that hiding failures makes them infallible.

In a way however its better for us, pak establishment is more about appeasement of the public by hook or by crook so their people will never truly know how successful their weapons actually are. Sometimes it looks like they prefer delusion over actual successes.

Whereas our military products whose information is always made available by all the PSUs regardless of them being failures and the media makes sure that they are properly scrutinized. So when we deem our products a success it usually is.
Nothing of the sort is seen in Pakistani media.

 

[chhota bheem]

but still they need to follow some ethics in work culture and do not hurry sensitive costly test for personal gains

If success can get them personal gains then failure will get them personal loss.
Thats the incentive ,if you do things in time or before time and get it right they get incentives and that how corp work.

 

[Rangila]

Who in the world will test a missile for the first time from a sub,there are platforms built under water to test initially only after success and confident that they will test from sub.

Who in the world will test a missile for the first time from a sub??

All the countries fire their missiles (direct from the sub) except India which came with world's first underwater platform;

 

[knight11]

1. It has been a long time since Pakistan did a long range missile sir..I believe last year in this month or November Pakistan Navy notified India about a test but it was a missile from the storage and not the new missile..All the other missiles are short ranges and can be tested within out territory so no need to notify anyone..!

Sir, both India and pakistan have a deal which includes the notification of any missile test , small or big period.

2. If India believed Pakistan cannot develop its own missile etc, then we have really no problem with that. At the end of the day Babur is operationalize and Nirbhay is not..India did same with china by promoting that China is a copy cat

No body is claiming that Pakistani missile is not Pakistani, but the fact is that Pakistan lacks the industrial base to do that on its own. And I am amazed that they have done that without much problems which Indians are facing, despite having SAM, and BVR developed which is far more complex system.

3. Both Pakistan and India have different needs to consume Public sympathy..!

But why are you assuming that DRDO is big mouth and own chest thump guys and NESCOM more cool, when the fact is that DRDO have everything in open domain, and tells its test and result with each test in press confrenss so that anyone having doubt can analyse it.

 

[The Deterrent]

All the countries fire their missiles (direct from the sub) except India which came with world's first underwater platform;

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Hi there, no country/organization tests a submarine launched missile for the first time from a submarine. Everyone develops a similar underwater platform first.
Here is a photo of the M-45/M-51 SLBM (France):

 

[Rangila]

Hi there, no country/organization tests a submarine launched missile for the first time from a submarine. Everyone develops a similar underwater platform first.
Here is a photo of the M-45/M-51 SLBM (France):

Do you see any sea here in the photo?
They are just testing its cold ignition system.

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While in Indian underwater test fire:

The 750-km range missile, codenamed B-05, was reportedly launched from a submerged pontoon in full operational configuration on Monday.

The user associate launch was conducted by the defence personnel in association with Indian Navy. Defence sources said the pontoon was positioned inside the sea, about 8 km from Visakhapatnam coastline. The missile was fired from 20-metre deep water.

 

[The Deterrent]

Do you see any sea here in the photo?
They are just testing its cold ignition system.

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While in Indian underwater test fire:

The 750-km range missile, codenamed B-05, was reportedly launched from a submerged pontoon in full operational configuration on Monday.

The user associate launch was conducted by the defence personnel in association with Indian Navy. Defence sources said the pontoon was positioned inside the sea, about 8 km from Visakhapatnam coastline. The missile was fired from 20-metre deep water.

What do you think is that spray of water around the system in the second photo? The French have made a giant water body facility for this purpose on land. Other nations are yet to discuss.

 

[Rangila]

@The Deterrent

Your following tall claim requires taller evidence;

Hi there, no country/organization tests a submarine launched missile for the first time from a submarine. Everyone develops a similar underwater platform first.


And finally what we get from you is this pointless & frugal half liner:

Other nations are yet to discuss.

Why are they discussing? They do have SLBM/SLCMs already. So what are they discussing?
I am sure you have been scavenging Google/Bing/Yahoo without success.

And for your information, India did a simulated underwater pontoon test, taking into account pitching & rolling of submarine. One of a kind "first"

 

[Rangila]

There are 2 submarine-launched cruise missile modes: horizontally-launched (from the torpedo tubes) and vertically-launched.

Nobody in the world, India included, has a facility to horizontally launch SLCM from underwater, as you would (actually) launch them from T/Tubes from real submarine.

Henceforth, to claim that >>>> no country/organization tests a submarine launched missile for the first time from a submarine. Everyone develops a similar underwater platform first >>>> IS CLUMSY.

 

[The Deterrent]

@The Deterrent

Your following tall claim requires taller evidence;

Hi there, no country/organization tests a submarine launched missile for the first time from a submarine. Everyone develops a similar underwater platform first.


And finally what we get from you is this pointless & frugal half liner:

Other nations are yet to discuss.

Why are they discussing? They do have SLBM/SLCMs already. So what are they discussing?
I am sure you have been scavenging Google/Bing/Yahoo without success.



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And for your information, India did a simulated underwater pontoon test, taking into account pitching & rolling of submarine. One of a kind "first"

I understand if you have comprehension issues, so here is a little information for your highness:

1. Having an underwater test launch platform is no "break-through" technology. US, Russia (formerly USSR) and China gave less importance to such a system because of availability of retired submarines which could be modified for more realistic test environments, and besides, US/Soviet SLBM development was made way back in the 60s, there isn't much "evidence" available. UK deploys US-made Tridents. That leaves France, India, Israel, Pakistan, North Korea and Iran having submersible launch capability. I already posted about how the french test their system in a simulated water platform. Israel & Pakistan are keeping their tech a secret, and NK & Iran are taking their baby steps.

So when I said that "no country tests it first from a submarine", I meant an operational asset. That is something no one risks, so either former vessels are used or a small scale platform is used.

2. Coming towards the "taller" evidence, here are some photographic proofs for easy comprehension.

Below is a photo and a schematic of a soviet submersible barge known as PSD-4:

Jeffrey Lewis • DPRK SLBM Test


Here is a photo of the French MdCN cruise missile launch. In the bottom-left part of the image, you can see a submersible launch system's barge.

DGA testa com sucesso míssil de cruzeiro MdCN lançado por submarino | Poder Naval - A informação naval comentada e discutida


Here is another photo of the previously posted French M51 SLBM. There is more water in this photo serving its purpose as taller evidence:

There are 2 submarine-launched cruise missile modes: horizontally-launched (from the torpedo tubes) and vertically-launched.

Nobody in the world, India included, has a facility to horizontally launch SLCM from underwater, as you would (actually) launch them from T/Tubes from real submarine.

Henceforth, to claim that >>>> no country/organization tests a submarine launched missile for the first time from a submarine. Everyone develops a similar underwater platform first >>>> IS CLUMSY.

Thank you so much for teaching me the basics of submarine launched missiles. You must be devastated by seeing that MdCN image.

Try making your posts more colorful next time, they don't look clumsy enough.

 

[knight11]

I understand if you have comprehension issues, so here is a little information for your highness:

1. Having an underwater test launch platform is no "break-through" technology. US, Russia (formerly USSR) and China gave less importance to such a system because of availability of retired submarines which could be modified for more realistic test environments, and besides, US/Soviet SLBM development was made way back in the 60s, there isn't much "evidence" available. UK deploys US-made Tridents. That leaves France, India, Israel, Pakistan, North Korea and Iran having submersible launch capability. I already posted about how the french test their system in a simulated water platform. Israel & Pakistan are keeping their tech a secret, and NK & Iran are taking their baby steps.

So when I said that "no country tests it first from a submarine", I meant an operational asset. That is something no one risks, so either former vessels are used or a small scale platform is used.

2. Coming towards the "taller" evidence, here are some photographic proofs for easy comprehension.

Below is a photo and a schematic of a soviet submersible barge known as PSD-4:

Jeffrey Lewis • DPRK SLBM Test


Here is a photo of the French MdCN cruise missile launch. In the bottom-left part of the image, you can see a submersible launch system's barge.

DGA testa com sucesso míssil de cruzeiro MdCN lançado por submarino | Poder Naval - A informação naval comentada e discutida


Here is another photo of the previously posted French M51 SLBM. There is more water in this photo serving its purpose as taller evidence:

Thank you so much for teaching me the basics of submarine launched missiles. Try making your posts more colorful next time, they don't look clumsy enough.

 

[Rocky25]

Very good that it is failed, Let it fail for the next half-dozen tests.... It doesn't matter! What matters is it should be successful when fired during war... else no point it to be successful!