Why Kerala has no beef with beef.

[Screambowl]

Prohibits what? How does it matter to those who don't follow him?

Those who doesnt follow him in the end of their enlightenment they start follow.

 

[dray]

What makes you think 3, 4, 5, are anti-Hindutva? They are not beef eaters or seculars either. They were at best "do not know anyone else but congress" type.

Pro-Hindutvas would vote for BJP even without the factors like 3, 4, 5, what other option they have?

1. Sangh is not authority on Hinduism but everyone who is authority on Hinduism agrees Cow slaughter is the gravest sin.
2. Nope. It is not fixed. There is falling from the grace too. That is how untouchables were born, unless you are trying to re-write history.
3. A very tiny miniscule non-Hindu votes. Rest are all pretty much HIndutva votes going by the swelling crowd of Hindutva supporters and BJP supporters. It has gained far more backers than attackers in the last few months. Barring Delhi, it has won everywhere else. Even in Delhi it did not lose its vote share. After Delhi, Assam, Madhya Pradesh, and Punjab local votes proved is popularity intact even with all its so called fringe elements voices.
4. I get the right to stop beef eating in my country because my constitution allows me that right. Hindutva is the identity of this country and the cow will be respected. If that leads to a civil war, so be it.

1. For Hindus only, and that too not for all Hindus.

2. Untouchables were the adivasis and those who were into jobs that were considered lowly. However, caste is fixed now, you can't change your caste even if you eat beef or do jobs that are considered lowly.

3. Where were those Hindutva votes in 2009? Where were those Hindutva votes for all these years since independence? Today BJP is doing very well because Congress failed spectacularly and they are facing acute leadership crisis, don't think this is guaranteed to continue forever. at least not on the basis of Hindutva.

4. No, your constitution doesn't give you any such right, neither it should.

There comes the anti-Hindu mindset. Already decided all Hindus want to kill their girl child, huh? I say carry on a referendum on female foeticide and the result will be a big No. RSS never canvassed for any party so much as it did for BJP this time around. BJP is in power because of RSS. Even Modi was selected because of RSS. If RSS had said no, there is no way in hell BJP would have chosen Modi.

The point is, we shouldn't do referendum for every stupid reason, and if RSS can put BJP in power, then they can do it for themselves also, let them do it first.

 

[Bitter Melon]

Pro-Hindutvas would vote for BJP even without the factors like 3, 4, 5, what other option they have?

Not necessarily. A lot of Hindutvas would have voted for Congress earlier because BJP never fulfilled their promises of being devoted to Hindutva. There was a sense of betrayal. Anyway, now it is coming true on its promises so no reason why people who were disappointed earlier should not vote for them. So there is pro-Hindutva plus 3 + 4 + 5 now.

1. For Hindus only, and that too not for all Hindus.

2. Untouchables were the adivasis and those who were into jobs that were considered lowly. However, caste is fixed now, you can't change your caste even if you eat beef or do jobs that are considered lowly.

3. Where were those Hindutva votes in 2009? Where were those Hindutva votes for all these years since independence? Today BJP is doing very well because Congress failed spectacularly and they are facing acute leadership crisis, don't think this is guaranteed to continue forever. at least not on the basis of Hindutva.

4. No, your constitution doesn't give you any such right, neither it should.

1. Yes for Hindus only and for all Hindus. Only all this long they were not aware of their power or their rights.

2. Caste is not fixed now. Hindus are on their way to going back to the way old caste system was, decided by guna and not by birth. The social dynamics will be based on that.

3. There was no independent media all this long. So a lot of what was going on with congress remained invisible to people. Plus the systematic disinformation campaign always worked against the Hindus. We have just about done an 180 degree turn. The more you twist and the more you protest, the harder the stance the Hindu right will take. The temples will be freed. Once that is on, there is no power in the world which will ever marginalize the Hindus in India ever again.

4. It does. The courts are made up of people. People who are products of their age and time. There was an era of communism and pseudosecularism. That era is way past its sell by date. All recent rulings have come in favor of Hindus including the rejection of PIL by Delhi High Court Yesterday on stalling the beef ban in Maharashtra.

 

[Screambowl]

Rs 6000 per animal is amount of money that a farmer will have to shell out. Kapish??


Do your calculations again!!!
How many cow dung cakes per day? And how much would it fetch the farmer???



Then why dothe farmers of drought hit areas use very less cattle???


don't beat around the bush!!!
Does the govt have any suggestions about how an old cow is to be taken care of by the farmer?? or should he just abandon 'em in some far away places??

There are two categories of farmers. One who owns the land and Gowshala, other who just works there. Those who works does not own cow. And those who own cow, are in better condition. But It is not the cattle or Cow, because of which farmers suicide.

Old and weak cattle must not be sold for slaughtering. Disease issues and other things like very less selling price.

They use less cattle because cattle also demands pasture lands, but draught is also not a daily incoming. More over when there is a draught, the feeding of cattle is less affected than humans as cattle feeds on anything , be it grass, dried leaves , straw, dry millet.

Of course there is no proper system to utilize cow dung after introduction of fertilizer, except for biogas fuel. But, when the situation is really bad, selling a cow is not a good idea unless until there is a loan to be dozed off. And not necessarily to a butcher. Some one else can buy it.

 

[Bitter Melon]

So you can't prove that minorities have not voted for BJP??

No I do not have to prove anything to you. It is not like proofs matter to you anyway.

Ha- Ha- Ha
"Good morning", has it not dawned on you yet that BJP has a muslim wing??? do you know that or were you caught completely unaware???
BJP has many muslim leaders too. You must be aware that Shazia Ilmi recently joined BJP but did you know that her brothers 've been members of BJP for long???

Ha ha ha ha ha. The joke is on you. It has its token minority wing and it has its token minority supporters. Nothing that counts in any meaningful way.

Rs 6000 per animal is amount of money that a farmer will have to shell out. Kapish??

Did you pull that figure out of some dark place? As proved by the research paper, Indian cows are hardly fed on grains, unless it is a dairy farm. They mainly feed through foraging which costs nothing.

Do your calculations again!!!
How many cow dung cakes per day? And how much would it fetch the farmer???

Hey even if 5 dung cakes a day, it is 7.5 rupees per day, on the lower side. That is 225 rupees a month. That is 2737 rupees a year. Not bad for just the dung. Now consider it also is used as manure, that is even more money saved on fertilizer cost. This is an old cow/bull/bullock we are talking about, one which has worked for the farmer its whole life and even in its old age is worth 2737 rupees every year on dungs only.

Then why dothe farmers of drought hit areas use very less cattle???

Because perhaps they do less farming? Also if there are less cattles, then there is even less to sell to the butcher, is it not?

don't beat around the bush!!!
Does the govt have any suggestions about how an old cow is to be taken care of by the farmer?? or should he just abandon 'em in some far away places??

Why should the govt have any suggestion about how to care for a cow. The farmer knows better than the govt. He sets it free to live its life as it wishes. Seem you do not value freedom much. Believe me, the animals love freedom.

bowdown to Mr. Know-it-all!!!
And so you've learnt a new word "commie", you can practice that word a 100 hundred times on a rough notebook instead of typing it here on the forrum, because it is not just out of context but also makes you look like an imbecile. JMHO!!!

Please, you are a card carrying member of the communist party as far as people here are concerned. Your friends on this forum are likewise lefties and communists.

So you know nothing about the farmers, just as I had assumed. Now I should not be surprised why you put the cart before the horse??
I guess am banging my head against a wall.

I am done arguing with an imbecile.

 

[TankMan]

Tank man
If you were to take words of few pseudo torch bearers of hinduism as the touchstone, then be assured you 'll be completely mislead. "Communism in hindus of kerala" is a taunt used by such ppl. Kerala is the most literate state of India and ergo the ppl here 're not easily fooled.
All this has nothing to do with communism, it is a very well known (and documented fact) that hindus ate meat from time immemorial. The warrior class or the Kashtriyas had to eat meat as meat when consumed, produced more energy and ergo strength (I'm sure you know about this). Interestingly enough the brahman class in some areas of India also ate meat.
But hinduism as we know is a very adaptive religion (and thats the reason its has survived for so long, and is also considered as one of the oldest religion in the world today) so as Buddhism and Jainism spread in India a lot of ppl changed their dietary habits. But with the surge of Brahmanical philosophers like Adi Shankara, along with Madhvacharya and Ramanuja (three leaderswho revived Brahmanical philosophy), Buddhism started to fade out rapidly from the landscape of India. But the dietary habits continued.



Completely made up story!!!
Have you ever been to kerala?
Every nook and corner has a temple/church or a mosque. Infact in recent times so many tiny temples have cropped up that I was wondering why almost every house has a temple of its own??

You have good points, thank you for the detailed post.
I won't make any judgement since I'm not Hindu and the matter doesn't really concern me but all the factors, history and perspectives are interesting ,and so are the differences in opinion.

Excuse my ignorance on the finer details of Hinduism but is it a matter of interpretation or do some people simply not believe in some of the Brahmans and their teachings?

 

[syedali73]

I was going to reply to you the other day, I had typed it and then deleted. But now looking at your comments again I would like to know what are your basis to give statements about Prophet Muhammad S.A.W? How much research did you do on Muhammad S.A.W and what is your source(s)?

What do you know about his childhood? What do you know about His (PBUH) pre prophet hood life? What is your definition of meditation? How he was different from his own people he lived among? Do you even have the slightest idea what is the difference between a messenger and a prophet? What do you know about orders He (PBUH) he got and followed from Quran and lead by example? Please give individual answers to my questions.

@Akheilos @TankMan @syedali73 (sorry I am tagging you, but this guy should have been stopped from carrying this argument to other non relevant threads the other day.)

What are you expecting from a radical Hindutva terrorist/apologist ? Please report if he says something indecent about the religion or the Prophet (PBHU). Please avoid talking your religion with those who do not respect it. You have to understand that their knowledge (if at all) about Islam has not come from literature review but from hearing hate speeches by the Hindutvadi terrorists, who have noting positive to say about Islam. 900+ years of Muslim rule has become the part of their psychology that effectively prevents them from seeing things in the correct perspective. All they can see or talk about is Hindu persecution by Muslim rulers whereas the fact that they are alive today to spew venom at Muslims and Islam is in itself a testimony of Muslim's tolerance towards their non-Muslim subjects. Otherwise 900+ years were more than enough to eradicate Hindus from the face of the sub-continent.

 

[About.to.be.banned]

2. Caste is fixed anyway, you don't go up and down the ladder, and who can send you up and down? There is nobody to decide that.

Not correct.

Though Caste is mostly fixed, it go up and down the laddar with ease. Caste is 1000CE onward phenomenon and it originated from artisan guilds, distinct profession, Tribal identities, and warring clan culture. There is no metion of caste system in whole HIndu literature. It is not equivalent to varna system. The difference of mobility in varna system and caste system is that , while in Varna system an individual could change his social position on his own (Vishwamitra is a obvious example that comes to my mind) ; in latter day caste system , it is whole caste which goes up or down. An individual by himself could not caste, but he could lose caste and become an outcaste , a Chandala, if he eats meat. Caste ,today, are fixed by government decree, not be social and religious norms.

AFAIK Aryabhattapassed the toughest entrance exam of Nalanda university and he was in the top that in only three selected bybthe council.

Correction: Aryabhatta studied at Kusumapura university, not Nalanda.

Both versions are strong .But he would have been.in Nalanda ,considering his caliber that was not a toughjob for him

Nalanda was a predominantly Buddhist religious university. Most of Hindus preferred Takshashila for non-Religious education and Kashi for religious.

 

[SQ8]

Funny how people don't realize that even if the thread turns 100 pages of rant nobody will be able to convince anybody that their viewpoint is skewed

What do you think we rely on to keep this forum running?

 

[wise_owl]

I was just going through the comments in article "Lawyers distribute beef on Madras High Court campus " from The Hindu..... strangely all the 35 comments are from outside India, mostly from San Francisco.... South Korea....Italy and notably 6 posts from Kwangmyong, North Korea .

Can't help but one just wonders if all these comments posted were actually made by the common people.....

Lawyers distribute beef on Madras High Court campus  - The Hindu

 

[Wine&Steak]

I was just going through the comments in article "Lawyers distribute beef on Madras High Court campus " from The Hindu..... strangely all the 35 comments are from outside India, mostly from San Francisco.... South Korea....Italy and notably 6 posts from Kwangmyong, North Korea .

Can't help but one just wonders if all these comments posted were actually made by the common people.....

Lawyers distribute beef on Madras High Court campus - The Hindu

Simple answer. There are a lot of Tamils living outside TamilNadu. For a lot of these folks, the only way to read news from native country is reading "The Hindu". I read both The hindu and "malayala manorama" everyday once.

I guess Locals in TN mostly read a hard copy unlike folks from overseas, so they cannot comment

 

[cybertron]

Can only laugh at these ppl passing idiotic comments on Keralites and the culture/food habits here.

And amazing how these retards keep clamouring on about Hinduism, like its there dehej ka property. Take a hike!

Seeing these people bark the way they do, makes me real proud of the culture in kerala, and mallu's in general..the fact that you can be open minded -- live the way you want to and not be persecuted.

 

[wise_owl]

Simple answer. There are a lot of Tamils living outside TamilNadu. For a lot of these folks, the only way to read news from native country is reading "The Hindu". I read both The hindu and "malayala manorama" everyday once.

I guess Locals in TN mostly read a hard copy unlike folks from overseas, so they cannot comment

Seven posts from Kwangmyong, North Korea.....

Its more like proxy and fake profiles....

 

[cybertron]

You have good points, thank you for the detailed post.
I won't make any judgement since I'm not Hindu and the matter doesn't really concern me but all the factors, history and perspectives are interesting ,and so are the differences in opinion.

Excuse my ignorance on the finer details of Hinduism but is it a matter of interpretation or do some people simply not believe in some of the Brahmans and their teachings?

Sir, There is no single Person , Text or Phylosophy that guides Hinduism. It is vast, its a culture and a tradition at the same time. There is nothing in it that limits your thought process, rather just provides a platform to build upon.

Some people (or a large section) although, choose to follow a single or multiple texts literaly and as gospel truth. But again, it is an individual choice.

 

[Levina]

No I do not have to prove anything to you. It is not like proofs matter to you anyway.

There!!!
So all this while you've been ranting without proof.

Hey even if 5 dung cakes a day, it is 7.5 rupees per day, on the lower side. That is 225 rupees a month. That is 2737 rupees a year. Not bad for just the dung. Now consider it also is used as manure, that is even more money saved on fertilizer cost. This is an old cow/bull/bullock we are talking about, one which has worked for the farmer its whole life and even in its old age is worth 2737 rupees every year on dungs only.

Do you think a farmer will be able to buy a day's meal for himself and his family members with Rs.7.5???
which world 're you living in?

Because perhaps they do less farming? Also if there are less cattles, then there is even less to sell to the butcher, is it not?

So you don't know Vidarbha is a drought hit region? or 're you playing dumb?

Why should the govt have any suggestion about how to care for a cow. The farmer knows better than the govt. He sets it free to live its life as it wishes. Seem you do not value freedom much. Believe me, the animals love freedom.

Yeah, set the animal free on roads. Wow!!! Now thats quite a solution isn't it??

Please, you are a card carrying member of the communist party as far as people here are concerned. Your friends on this forum are likewise lefties and communists.

I'm a political mugwump. I don't support any party. Lol

I am done arguing with an imbecile.

That should be my line!!
Other than picking on my posts on this thread you've not really touched the issues created by ban on beef. A govt which makes decision with just immediate future in mind is definitely making impetuous decisions. I trust Modi!!
And I know he's smart enough to understand that such bans would work only in some states and that pulling a blanket ban would cost his party dearly.

I rest my case!

Ciao!!!