Why is South Korea so obsessed with Japan?

[prima99]

Liberation of Indonesia from the Dutch was one of the greatest, lasting success stories of the IJA. Many of our soldiers also stayed in Indonesia after the end of the war to help fight for Indonesian independence from the Dutch. Thousands stayed. Thousands more adopted into Indonesian life by converting to Islam and marrying local Indonesian women.

i think the number of IJA stayed in indonesia is about 2000. there is one IJA who just passed away recently named Rahmat Sakari Ono (the video is on youtube with japanese dub. look it up). all my respect to the old veteran who helped us against colonialization. that is why we are Ultra Pro-Japan country till today.

 

[Aepsilons]

i think the number of IJA stayed in indonesia is about 2000. there is one IJA who just passed away recently named Rahmat Sakari Ono (the video is on youtube with japanese dub. look it up). all my respect to the old veteran who helped us against colonialization. that is why we are Ultra Pro-Japan country till today.

Yes, I remember reading about him and i think a thread was created here by some of our Indonesian members several months ago on this very man. Japanese have very very strong favorable views on Indonesian people, and I'm glad that Indonesians, in general, have positive views on Japan.

 

[katarabhumi]

any countries in asia have a bone to pick with japan, especially korea and china. japan has apologized to them plenty of times already but it's still not enough, thus hates turned into obsession.

the koreans even copy japanese snacks for Example : Pocky (Japan) vs Pepero (Korea). (i could post the video for it, but i cannot yet. you can look it on youtube)

they should learn to forget about the past. Indonesia and Philippines can, why they can't? [though in indonesia case it's more of benefit for them since japan build the military for them (old imperial japanese army = today indonesian army) and they also kills the damned Dutch out of our land too. we even use the Imperial Japanese calendar till today]

Not just Japan actually. Many Dutch and Indian soldiers crossed over as well to fight for Indonesia. The independence of Indonesia achieved through the sacrifice of many.

 

[Indos]

Not just Japan actually. Many Dutch and Indian soldiers crossed over as well to fight for Indonesia. The independence of Indonesia achieved through the sacrifice of many.

Yup, one Dutch that is in our side is Rokus Bernardus Visser, who change name into Idjon Janbi ( become Muslim and marriage Indonesian women). He is the first commander of our special force (Kopassus) which is established in 1952. In essence, this is why our Army special force beret is similar like Dutch Special Force (red beret) since Mr Rokus is former Captain of Dutch Special Force

 

[Shotgunner51]

Just as the original article says, Korean nationalism is not nationalism for South Korea. It is nationalism for Korea - the civilization of Korea. They don't necessarily care very much for the state of South Korea itself.

Here is what you must realize: elections does not guarantee legitimacy of a country because it may be the case that all options given (and there are never infinite options) are all illegitimate. The very system set up in South Korea today is viewed as questionable in its legitimacy because its origins were in foreign occupation (Japanese then US). It is not wholly illegitimate, but questionable. Meanwhile, North Korea has no legitimacy issues, and that scares South Korean's leadership; no matter what they do, no matter how bad North Korea is, they will have this one blot on their record that North Korea never had. This is also why the KMT has a forever scarred record: they have proven Japanese collaborators and traitors in their party (Wang Jingwei), and proven cowards (Chiang Kai Shek before Xi'an incident), forever recorded in history, while CPC has never been proven to be cowards or traitors. At worst, CPC can be proven to be incompetent or cruel, but never cowardly or treasonous. That is why KMT can never achieve CPC's level of legitimacy.

Yes you are right about the nationalism is a general Korean sentiment towards Imperial Japan, which have existed in both SK and NK for decades if not centuries, and is a standalone agenda, not a consequence of domestic politics.

As for domestic politics on the peninsula, we have seen military dictatorship evolving into democracy in the south, hereditary dictatorship practicing die-hard communism in the north SK, is a long story.

• In short, yes we have seen political leaders not through election (Royal family before constitutional monarchy, George Washington, Sun Yat-Sen, Mao Zedong, Kim Il Song, Lee Kuan Yew ...) during special and critical moments in history, no one will question their legitimacy for one simple reason - people support and need a leader to implement tough and fundamental changes in politics. After the drastic changes, or revolutions, politics shall be stabilized, power back to the people.

• Legitimate, or say legal, means rule of law. Who decide the law? It's decided by the people, not any individual, be him revolutionary hero or not. The people decide on the law, and how government is formed, election is a just one tool.

• I won't say SK's current governance is perfectly legitimate, cause elections can be rigged by say capitalists (domestic or foreign), I am not a career SK political observer so can't comment, but the history of pan-Korea anti-colonial sentiment has no part in it. Bringing in NK is hardly a good comparison on legitimacy, in a hereditary dictatorship, law was written by the dictator or his son, or his grandson.

 

[VALKRYIE]

Yes, I know some Vietnamese, one said they have viet subtitles for many many Chinese TV series, movies, songs, talkshows.....This is different from our dear Vietnamese friends here, now who is lying, it's obvious.

True, I can't denied that. But Chinese also like Vietnamese music. Remember the infamous boy band, HKT?

New trend in China, V-pop?! | RLO

A new sister group call HKT M in China

Example.

China (Copy)

Vietnam (Original)

It's not hard to find Vietnamese dubbed Chinese movies and series. They can't get enough of Chinese series. Now they are starting a trend to dub korean movies.

Also look at all those vietnamese pop songs using Chinese music.

It would interesting to see what other surnames Vietnamese can come up with that is more "Vietnamese"

The older generation like ballads and slow traditional song's which they found most similiar to China. But nowadays Chinese music is less popular among young kids who are more into Vpop and Kpop.

 

[Echo_419]

Liberation of Indonesia from the Dutch was one of the greatest, lasting success stories of the IJA. Many of our soldiers also stayed in Indonesia after the end of the war to help fight for Indonesian independence from the Dutch. Thousands stayed. Thousands more adopted into Indonesian life by converting to Islam and marrying local Indonesian women.




Not just in Indonesia; Japanese soldiers and officers also actively helped with the Viet Minh in training them for future anti-colonial war with the French. In fact, over 5000 IJA soldiers stayed in Vietnam to fight with the Viets against the French.




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ANYWAYS

Why are Koreans so obsessed about Japanese?

Japanese have swag, we don't try to be cool. We just are.

Exactly who needs nukes when you have SWAG

 

[Kyle Sun]

Nothing, your culture we throw away favor western,
your drama we dont watch we favor Korean
anime tech we favor Japan. Anything relate to you Chinese we condem and cut it lose, Its yur Chinese never leave us alone. Without yor obsession to us, we could have success build and empire in south east asia with worry free of your annoy azz.

Are you saying you Viet have nothing left if you cut the Chinese character off ?
culture ,you study western , drama ,you watch korean, anime tech you prefer Japan , and langue is some kind of france ,right ?

lool You label others as monkeys?? im sure if i was the one who made such a statement against a Chinese member would have been banned long ago(got banned for even far less offensive stuffs. lol), well cant expect anything less as its a Pakistani/Chinese forum mainly. lol

the evil green bit monster Brit bit was funny though.got me laughing

Easy man,I got banned also for a long long time.

 

[mike2000 is back]

[QUOTELUCira La, post: 7289776, member: 24808"]You Japanese and Koreans are all very awesome people and hope you guys can sort out your differences and form a some supranational union, EU style, with other East Asian states - China, Mongolia and Taiwan. That's the sort of future I like to envision for East Asia![/QUOTE]

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

 

[William Hung]

It would interesting to see what other surnames Vietnamese can come up with that is more "Vietnamese"

What are surnames? They are mostly just nouns and sometime verbs, etc. To come up with Vietnamese surnames, you just need to find native Vietnamese nouns and verbs, where hundreds and thousands of such words exist. So there can be hundreds and thousands of Vietnamese "surnames" that people can come up with. The question is, why don't my fellow Vietnamese change their Chinese surnames into Vietnamese ones? They want to be Chinese?

I'm definitely going to change mine. But I'm going to come up with my own one, something like Uberkubasuperbobotomatosoup.

ahahahahahahah......well said man. that was a funny one, but true though.
Well Vietnam China relationship is like S.Korea-japan love-hate relationship. Even though both Vietnam and S.Korea hate China and Japan respectively as they were both colonized and ruled by each, yet they still borrow/learn/admire/copied a lot from China and Japan. So its an interesting type of relationship.

Bro you know I'm only here to speak the truth, good or bad. Being truthful and honest is a common character trait of a pure Vietnamese. After my brother Boq77 is banned, I think I'm the only real Vietnamese left in this forum. I think the other "Vietnamese" members are fake. They keep denying the truth and spinning things like 90% of the Chinese PDF members.

 

[kankan326]

True, I can't denied that. But Chinese also like Vietnamese music. Remember the infamous boy band, HKT?

New trend in China, V-pop?! | RLO

A new sister group call HKT M in China

Example.

China (Copy)

Vietnam (Original)



The older generation like ballads and slow traditional song's which they found most similiar to China. But nowadays Chinese music is less popular among young kids who are more into Vpop and Kpop.

HKT is called "洗剪吹三人组". It's nothing but for amusement here.

 

[Jesus Christ 2015]

As for the Chinese pop music, Taiwan represents the true China, see how many popular singers and songs are from Taiwan?

 

[East or West India Best]

A Korean told me Confuscius comes from there so you guys should be thankful to them.