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The government's decision to insist that the Indian Air Force induct a large number of light combat aircraft (LCA) fighters is the kind of shock treatment that was needed to push the Make in India project. A news report says that the government has rejected the IAF's demand for 44 more Rafale aircraft, in addition to the deal for 36 announced by the government earlier this year.

Instead, the IAF has been told that the kind of numbers it wanted could only be met by inducting the LCA.

The IAF has itself to blame for its predicament. The medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) was originally intended to be a stop-gap measure to enable the LCA project to be completed. However, the IAF rigged the competition by including the heavier, more capable two-engine fighters and knocking out the best option, the Swedish Gripen. As a result, a competition for a $8 billion stop-gap fighter morphed into a huge buy involving 126 Rafales which would have cost the nation anywhere between $25-30 billion.

Requirements

Critics cite a CAG report of May 2015 claiming that the aircraft had 53 shortcomings in respect of the IAF's requirements such as an integral self-protection jammer and a radar warning receiver. They also noted that the aircraft weighed more than it should and had a lower internal fuel capacity.

But K Tamilmani, the DRDO's aerospace chief, has, more recently, said that the modified version of the LCA addressed most of the Air Force's concerns relating to electronic warfare systems, flight computer, radar and maintenance problems.

In pushing the LCA down the IAF's throat, the government has dealt with one of the two big problems faced by the project - the refusal of the IAF to take ownership of the LCA. In contrast, the Indian Navy has "owned" the LCA-Navy project and has worked with the DRDO to tweak the aircraft to meet its requirements. Some of these modifications - a stronger under-carriage and Levcons to provide it greater agility - will figure in the aircraft that will now be made for the IAF.

It needs to be noted that the LCA, which will be used for close air support or counter air missions, will not need the kind of sophisticated electronics that an aircraft designed to operate deep in enemy territory needs.

Third party assessments are that the LCA is a capable fighter, better than its counterparts like the Sino-Pak JF-17. Its use of composites which cover 90 per cent of its surface provides it natural stealth. Its design makes it highly stable and easy to fly, a fact attested to by Ruag specialists who wanted to market a tandem-seat version as a lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT).

Manufacturing

But the government still needs to deal with the second big problem - getting the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) to deal with the project with the seriousness it deserves. As the CAG report noted, the manufacturing facilities at HAL currently cater to the production of only four aircraft per year, as against the eight needed, because of delays in procuring plant and machinery, tools and the construction of production hangars. Likewise, repair and overhaul (ROH) facility for the LCA, as specified in the ASR, has not been fully created.

The HAL, which makes a great deal of money through licence-producing aircraft like the Su-30MKI, for which it charges the government Rs 100 crore more than the cost for an off-the-shelf item from Russia, couldn't be bothered with the need to encourage an Indian project.

Indeed, some years back, the Swiss-German giant Ruag, wrote to the HAL offering its expertise in setting up assembly lines to manufacture the LCA and offering an industrial partnership to sell the aircraft abroad. But the HAL did not even have the courtesy to reply.

This would be a good time for the government to look into the IAF's claim that it needs at least 45 squadrons to take on the "two-front collusive threat" from Pakistan and China. As of now, says the IAF, it only has 35 active fighter squadrons, and even this could go down to 32.

There are two issues here - the nature of war of the future. Given the fact that India, Pakistan and China are nuclear-armed states, the chances of any kind of an all-out-war are low. At worst, we may see localised clashes such as the Kargil mini-war.



Capabilities

But this is not something which the IAF can decide, it requires the government to make an overall strategy assessment and then pinning down the kind of capabilities India's armed forces need.

This will enable a planned acquisition of capabilities, instead of the present chaos which has led to the fiasco of the Rafale buy and the decision to halve the size of the Mountain Strike Corps.


Why is government forcing LCA down Indian Air Force's throat?
 
How many threads do you want to open on the same subject. I remember atleast 2 you tagged me...... You can update your own thread and keep it alive right....
 
However, the IAF rigged the competition by including the heavier, more capable two-engine fighters and knocking out the best option, the Swedish Gripen. As a result, a competition for a $8 billion stop-gap fighter morphed into a huge buy involving 126 Rafales which would have cost the nation anywhere between $25-30 billion.

If Gripen was the best option for indian airforce than what is wrong in Tejas. It is ours and in few year it shall be as capable as gripen .MK2 is coming up. Even MK1+ is a much better aircraft with 1 ton lower weight and improved aerodynamic.
 
If Gripen was the best option for indian airforce than what is wrong in Tejas. It is ours and in few year it shall be as capable as gripen .MK2 is coming up. Even MK1+ is a much better aircraft with 1 ton lower weight and improved aerodynamic.

About the shaving off 1 ton of LCA MkI,do you know how the ADA and HAL are planning to achieve this goal??What kind of modifications they are planning for??I'm asking this because I'm a total noob when it comes to fighters and anything that flies.
 
About the shaving off 1 ton of LCA MkI,do you know how the ADA and HAL are planning to achieve this goal??What kind of modifications they are planning for??I'm asking this because I'm a total noob when it comes to fighters and anything that flies.

Weight reduction is planned by

1) removing 300 KG ballast fir weight balancing.
2) Slashing up landing gear weight which is over engineered.
3) Introduing more composite parts.
4) slashing weight and merging some LRUS.
5) Wing redesign

In addition, Aerodynamic refinement is also planned. Redesigned Canopy shall reduce the drag by 6% which shall result in 20% hike in trans sonic acceleration and 2% hike in top speed and improvement in YAW stability. Further this will result in 50 L fuel storage capacity. All this are planned and shall come in MK1+ along with AESA and EW suite.
 
Weight reduction is planned by

1) removing 300 KG ballast fir weight balancing.
2) Slashing up landing gear weight which is over engineered.
3) Introduing more composite parts.
4) slashing weight and merging some LRUS.
5) Wing redesign

In addition, Aerodynamic refinement is also planned. Redesigned Canopy shall reduce the drag by 6% which shall result in 20% hike in trans sonic acceleration and 2% hike in top speed and improvement in YAW stability. Further this will result in 50 L fuel storage capacity. All this are planned and shall come in MK1+ along with AESA and EW suite.
Dear Above mentioned suggestions by you will cast more then 2 years more delay and i think IAF in no mood to wait anymore.
 
Indeed, some years back, the Swiss-German giant Ruag, wrote to the HAL offering its expertise in setting up assembly lines to manufacture the LCA and offering an industrial partnership to sell the aircraft abroad. But the HAL did not even have the courtesy to reply.

Does Ruag Aviation of Ruag Defense has credentials in manufacturing military aircrafts? I can find Do228NG, some small arms, land vehicles, training supports, etc., but no military aircraft. If they provide assembly lines for LCA, is this new business for them? Please share info if there is any.
 
You do have got a point.What's your take on it @HariPrasad ??
Only wing redesign will take lot of time new models, new wind tunnel tests, It will be very hard to change original design even requires billion of new funds and i don't think so Govt issue any more funds for redesign which causes more delays and no one knows even resigned jets improve in performance.
 
What ever ... indians here going to defend their LCA no matter what or even rejected by IAF multiple times or IAF does not have confidence on this LCA ..

Indians going to defend it and even try to proof it as more advance then JF17 and soon J11 :)

They are acting like they know about LCA more than IAF :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
You do have got a point.What's your take on it @HariPrasad ??

That will not cast delay at all. LCA shall be continue in production in FOC standard till 2017 untill all these changes are ready to be incorporated. As soon as new EW and AESA comes in and all these changes are incorporated, MK 1's + production shall begin or whatsoever is ready shall be incorporated. Rest of fighters shall be upgraded subsequently.

Only wing redesign will take lot of time new models, new wind tunnel tests, It will be very hard to change original design even requires billion of new funds and i don't think so Govt issue any more funds for redesign which causes more delays and no one knows even resigned jets improve in performance.

redesign do not mean shape change. Shape shall remain as it . it shall be redesign with new material and new method to reduce wight and increase strength.
 
I think its time to voluntarily ban all LCA related threads for a period of 15 days. This is to ensure, we get something new to debate upon on this topic. With so many threads and same discussions again and again we are not progressing to a healthy debate or discussions.

A voluntary ban for 15 days on the topic will help see some breathing space. As of now every day there is one LCA article and we keep debating the same thing again and again.

Hope others can also agree..
 
What ever ... indians here going to defend their LCA no matter what or even rejected by IAF multiple times or IAF does not have confidence on this LCA ..

Indians going to defend it and even try to proof it as more advance then JF17 and soon J11 :)

They are acting like they know about LCA more than IAF :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

Sir, Tejas Mk.1A is going to be a quite a nimble and effective aircraft. It has the Ideal spec for being built in numbers. It will have AESA and may turn out to be perhaps the lightest (empty weight wise) production fighter in service in the world.

How good it really will be and how its Radar and EW suites going to be and what its actual field performance turns out to be is only going to be truly ascertained once these fighters are inducted into operational services and they are also included in exercises with other air forces.

Till then, deriding and dissing it just because it has taken a long while coming is not fair. Its development history and project management failures no longer have anything to do with how capable it is or going to be.

It is also high time that the IAF comes down from its high horse and let go of its spoilt habits to ensure that the indigenous fighter program gets the boost it needs and deserves.

It is my humble opinion and please don't take any offence, your comment can be taken in the same spirit as those fanboy Indian members who make their snide comments in Pakistani threads.

I think its time to voluntarily ban all LCA related threads for a period of 15 days. This is to ensure, we get something new to debate upon on this topic. With so many threads and same discussions again and again we are not progressing to a healthy debate or discussions.

A voluntary ban for 15 days on the topic will help see some breathing space. As of now every day there is one LCA article and we keep debating the same thing again and again.

Hope others can also agree..

I totally agree.
 
Sir, Tejas Mk.1A is going to be a quite a nimble and effective aircraft. It has the Ideal spec for being built in numbers. It will have AESA and may turn out to be perhaps the lightest (empty weight wise) production fighter in service in the world.

How good it really will be and how its Radar and EW suites going to be and what its actual field performance turns out to be is only going to be truly ascertained once these fighters are inducted into operational services and they are also included in exercises with other air forces.

Till then, deriding and dissing it just because it has taken a long while coming is not fair. Its development history and project management failures no longer have anything to do with how capable it is or going to be.

It is also high time that the IAF comes down from its high horse and let go of its spoilt habits to ensure that the indigenous fighter program gets the boost it needs and deserves.

It is my humble opinion and please don't take any offence, your comment can be taken in the same spirit as those fanboy Indian members who make their snide comments in Pakistani threads.



I totally agree.

A very sensible comment,thanks bro,although I'm not so sure about the AESA part,at least for the MkIA variant (given there actually is a MkIA to bigin with).
 
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