Why is America turning Islamophobic?

[Gomig-21]

"A significant portion of Muslims interpret the Quran in ways that encourage violent attacks
on non Muslims sometimes for no other reason than they are infidels."

Its bedtime, otherwise I would take the time to refute other portions of your post. However, I will address the above line. That sentence is beyond ridiculous. From where do you base that assertion? Seriously, how in your right mind can you make that assertion? Prove what you have said.

I was going to ask Rich the same exact thing, but you beat me to it.

"A significant portion of Muslims interpret the Quran in ways that encourage violence" is quite the generalization. Generalizing is essentially the underlying element to this entire argument of religio-phobia, not just in Islamophobia. But it's a thought that certainly exists, mostly within the percentage of the uninformed or bigoted. I wouldn't say it's a significant portion of the masses, either.............but it's certainly present.

 

[Avicenna]

You have to agree that the muslim community is more violent than most others on an individual level.
On a state level, I think they are tied up with the west in that regard.
Anyways, I do feel that with time everyone will progress enough to live in harmony. ..let's wait and watch.

Let me ask you something. You say the muslim community is more violent than others on an individual level. Give me examples. If you run the numbers in the US. Lets just count up murders, rapes, and other violent crimes. Tell me how many are committed. And how many are commited by muslims. I know your gonna say theres obviously a popluation disparity and muslims are a tiny consituent of the population. so then please adjust the numbers per capita. then out of the muslim criminals. would you make the assumption that all the crimes were religiosuly motivated? i wouldn't. muslims are people too. we have mental illness. harbor ill will at work. have crimes of passion. not everything is religiously motivated.

And finally, the crimes that ARE religiously motivated go AGAINST the rules and regulations set forth by the religion itself. For every "example" you provide of Quranic quotes that promote violence. There are Quranic quotes that promote peace and mercy. And ultimately from a religious context, the Prophets example was that of mercy in warfare such as the sparing of women, children, animals, and arable land.

Secondly, on a state level. Please.....there is NO comparison who is more violent. The Western world takes the cake.

I was going to ask Rich the same exact thing, but you beat me to it.

"A significant portion of Muslims interpret the Quran in ways that encourage violence" is quite the generalization. Generalizing is essentially the underlying element to this entire argument of religio-phobia, not just in Islamophobia. But it's a thought that certainly exists, mostly within the percentage of the uniformed or bigoted. I wouldn't say it's a significant portion of the masses, either.............but it's certainly present.

Its really getting annoying, the full on anti-muslim hate. Its become a self-fulfilling thing at this point. Moronic "muslim" losers committing violent acts in the name of religion. (by the way these morons have a very limited and skewed viewpoint of the religion.) and then anti-muslim individuals citing these as examples that Islam is somehow inherently violent and evil. Its ridiculous at this point.

 

[Gomig-21]

I said a conflict between a US Christian and a foreign Muslim, not a US Muslim.
Example: Heavyweight boxing finals in the Olympics.
Who do You want to win as a US Muslim?
The American Christian boxer, or the Moroccan Muslim boxer?

None of the above examples determine loyalty. You can root for a individual or team in a sport simply because they are the underdog, or you liked their story better, or even because they share the same religion you do. Nationalism also plays a great role in the scenario you underlined. If a 1st generation Hindu American was watching an Olympic boxing mach between an Indian and American lightweight, would it be inappropriate or disloyal of him to root for the Indian? Of course not. It doesn't mean you're anti American. To think that sportsmanship determines your loyalty to being an American is not accurate. Friendly competitions do not equate to a 'conflict' and can never be used as a determination of loyalty to one's nation, especially to those who hold dual citizenship. It is conflicting, but that's normal. And in most other cases where the American's opponent is not a Hindu or Indian, the chances are much greater that he would root for the American. But even that shouldn't be a determination of loyalty or factor in determining whether there is religious bias or perpetrated bigotry in the form of religious phobia.

What makes You more pissed off?
The Boston Bomber blowing up innocent civilians (war crime) or
US Marine firing an ATGM at an active ISIS sniper in a building,
which later turns out to kill two hidden innocent children held as hostages (not a war crime).

By asking that question, are you claiming that most American Muslims are more angered by the latter example than the former? I ask that because that's quite disturbing if you think that's the case. It would be very unfortunate if that's what you and others think of Muslim Americans in general. As a matter of fact, everyone I know was deeply angered and affected by what those scum did, from 9/11 to the Boston Marathon and all the terror acts, before, after and in between. That's because we are vehemently opposed to the ideology of terrorism in any form, and never condone or support it in any way, shape or form. Muslim Americans are also victims of these barbaric acts and see them not only perpetrated in our country we live in, but also in our countries of origin.

If the issue is that devout, honorable Muslims (be it American or from other nationalities) don't speak up enough against terrorism and thoroughly denounce it, there is some unfortunate truth to that. We should stand up and be much more vocal against these dark and evil forces, and not just in our mosques and community gatherings -- which is where you will mostly hear it -- but through outlets that reach out to broader audiences. I think that plays a large part in the misconception of the vast majority of Muslims and how they feel about radical terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam. We certainly need to see our faults in that regard and take a larger stand.

 

[Avicenna]

Very well stated.

 

[Mugwop]

Yeah, that's utter degenerate way of talking. Anyway, majority of the opinion is targeted against the couples.
There are stupid people everywhere.

These same very stupid people want to dictate democracy to all of Asia

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

None of the above examples determine loyalty. You can root for a individual or team in a sport simply because they are the underdog, or you liked their story better, or even because they share the same religion you do. Nationalism also plays a great role in the scenario you underlined. If a 1st generation Hindu American was watching an Olympic boxing mach between an Indian and American lightweight, would it be inappropriate or disloyal of him to root for the Indian? Of course not. It doesn't mean you're anti American. To think that sportsmanship determines your loyalty to being an American is not accurate. Friendly competitions do not equate to a 'conflict' and can never be used as a determination of loyalty to one's nation, especially to those who hold dual citizenship. It is conflicting, but that's normal. And in most other cases where the American's opponent is not a Hindu or Indian, the chances are much greater that he would root for the American. But even that shouldn't be a determination of loyalty or factor in determining whether there is religious bias or perpetrated bigotry in the form of religious phobia.

By asking that question, are you claiming that most American Muslims are more angered by the latter example than the former? I ask that because that's quite disturbing if you think that's the case. It would be very unfortunate if that's what you and others think of Muslim Americans in general. As a matter of fact, everyone I know was deeply angered and affected by what those scum did, from 9/11 to the Boston Marathon and all the terror acts, before, after and in between. That's because we are vehemently opposed to the ideology of terrorism in any form, and never condone or support it in any way, shape or form. Muslim Americans are also victims of these barbaric acts and see them not only perpetrated in our country we live in, but also in our countries of origin.

If the issue is that devout, honorable Muslims (be it American or from other nationalities) don't speak up enough against terrorism and thoroughly denounce it, there is some unfortunate truth to that. We should stand up and be much more vocal against these dark and evil forces, and not just in our mosques and community gatherings -- which is where you will mostly hear it -- but through outlets that reach out to broader audiences. I think that plays a large part in the misconception of the vast majority of Muslims and how they feel about radical terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam. We certainly need to see our faults in that regard and take a larger stand.

No, I do not think a first generation Indian rooting for an Indian in a game vs an American would be disloyal, but a first generation Egyptian living in the US, rooting for a Moroccan vs an American because he is a Muslim would be disloyal.
If he is rooting for the Moroccan because he happens to be married to his sister or other personal reason, it is a totally different situation.

I do not claim anything about American Muslims.
I do see people here at PDF that would condemn the Marine, but would be silent about the Boston Bomber, as well as people which have their priorities right.

 

[prashantazazel]

Let me ask you something. You say the muslim community is more violent than others on an individual level. Give me examples. If you run the numbers in the US. Lets just count up murders, rapes, and other violent crimes. Tell me how many are committed. And how many are commited by muslims. I know your gonna say theres obviously a popluation disparity and muslims are a tiny consituent of the population. so then please adjust the numbers per capita. then out of the muslim criminals. would you make the assumption that all the crimes were religiosuly motivated? i wouldn't. muslims are people too. we have mental illness. harbor ill will at work. have crimes of passion. not everything is religiously motivated.

And finally, the crimes that ARE religiously motivated go AGAINST the rules and regulations set forth by the religion itself. For every "example" you provide of Quranic quotes that promote violence. There are Quranic quotes that promote peace and mercy. And ultimately from a religious context, the Prophets example was that of mercy in warfare such as the sparing of women, children, animals, and arable land.

Secondly, on a state level. Please.....there is NO comparison who is more violent. The Western world takes the cake

The US is an exception. I was talking about Arab countries, Indian subcontinent, Africa and the like.
Western Europe is having problems with radicalization too.

 

[Gomig-21]

No, I do not think a first generation Indian rooting for an Indian in a game vs an American would be disloyal, but a first generation Egyptian living in the US, rooting for a Moroccan vs an American because he is a Muslim would be disloyal.
If he is rooting for the Moroccan because he happens to be married to his sister or other personal reason, it is a totally different situation.

So you consider it ok and loyal to root for a particular participant if the reason is based on origin of nationality or any other personal reason, but it's not ok and considered disloyal if the preference is based on religious affiliation and specifically Muslim?

That's the basis of prejudice, Rich.

Here's what the US Constitution grants as far as religious rights.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

So you consider it ok and loyal to root for a particular participant if the reason is based on origin of nationality or any other personal reason, but it's not ok and considered disloyal if the preference is based on religious affiliation and specifically Muslim?

That's the basis of prejudice, Rich.

Here's what the US Constitution grants as far as religious rights.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

You are getting confused. You are also trying to twist words.

It is not disloyal beeing a Muslim.
It is not disloyal to root for another Muslim.
The issue is when You rather root for a Muslim than a citizen. That is disloyalty.
When You specifically ask for citizenship, other citizens EXPECT that You put citizenship above religion.
If You do not do that, You are going to get rejection, and You deserve that rejection.

If a Christian US Marine is fighting a Moroccan Muslim in a war,
and You intervene and kill the US Marine because Your natural loyalty is with the Muslim,
then You are a traitor.
If a Muslim US Marine is fighting a Christian enemy, and you again try to kill the US Marine,
You are again a traitor.

Another example would be if You as a Muslim police officer investigate a car crash,
and find out that one of the driver is a Muslim, and the other is a Christian,
and You decide that this means that the Muslim drivers version must be the true story,
and disregard any evidence in favour of the Christian.

When you root for a Muslim over a Christian, without other cause, You are limiting
the right of the Christian to freely exercise their religion, which may be against the Constitution.

 

[ThinkLogically]

You mean like Taimur ali khan

Looks like you don't have guts to spell out names that chinese have banned.

 

[Mugwop]

Looks like you don't have guts to spell out names that chinese have banned.

S A D D A M and I M A A M

 

[Avicenna]

You are getting confused. You are also trying to twist words.

It is not disloyal beeing a Muslim.
It is not disloyal to root for another Muslim.
The issue is when You rather root for a Muslim than a citizen. That is disloyalty.
When You specifically ask for citizenship, other citizens EXPECT that You put citizenship above religion.
If You do not do that, You are going to get rejection, and You deserve that rejection.

If a Christian US Marine is fighting a Moroccan Muslim in a war,
and You intervene and kill the US Marine because Your natural loyalty is with the Muslim,
then You are a traitor.
If a Muslim US Marine is fighting a Christian enemy, and you again try to kill the US Marine,
You are again a traitor.

Another example would be if You as a Muslim police officer investigate a car crash,
and find out that one of the driver is a Muslim, and the other is a Christian,
and You decide that this means that the Muslim drivers version must be the true story,
and disregard any evidence in favour of the Christian.

When you root for a Muslim over a Christian, without other cause, You are limiting
the right of the Christian to freely exercise their religion, which may be against the Constitution.

So your arguement work both ways. Everything you stated also holds true for Jews and Christians don't you think?

 

[Chhatrapati]

These same very stupid people want to dictate democracy to all of Asia

May be, or may be not.

 

[gambit]

So your arguement work both ways. Everything you stated also holds true for Jews and Christians don't you think?

In my opinion, it does.

The bottom line is this...

Your country is real, but your religion is not. By that, I mean that no one ever returned from the afterlife to tell us which religion is the true religion. From that perspective, like it or not, your country is the only thing worth your allegiance. Your country is the only thing that gives you a roof over your head, a job, a place for your family, and a retirement, literally and figuratively.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

So your arguement work both ways. Everything you stated also holds true for Jews and Christians don't you think?

Why do You ask the obvious?