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TEHRAN, Iran — Turki al-Faisal Al Saud’s call for regime change in Tehran, let alone his mere participation at the July 9 Mujahedeen-e-Khalq’s (MEK) annual conference in Paris, is an unprecedented move against Iran by a high-ranking Saudi royal.

Summary⎙ Print Despite all the challenges it poses for Iran, Saudi Arabia’s regional policy and strategic behavior is still not perceived as a threat in Tehran — but could failing to respond be a mistake?
Author Hassan AhmadianPosted July 18, 2016
Prior to Faisal’s statements at the MEK convention, the Saudi deputy crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, paid a 10-day visit that started on June 14 to Washington and then Paris, during which he stressed the necessity to counter the "Iranian threat.” Meanwhile, as has been the norm during his tenure so far, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, who accompanied Mohammed, went even further in his criticism of Iran's regional policy, demanding that Tehran stop “exporting its revolution.”

This situation has in fact been prevalent ever since King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud was crowned in January 2015. As such, one can assume that there has been a paradigm shift in Riyadh's regional policy, which encompasses relations with Tehran. At this point, Saudi Arabia has crossed so many unwritten rules in its dealings with Iran that some observers anticipate a war between the two nations.

Yet despite all these changes, there are no parallels in Iran’s policy toward Saudi Arabia. Even with reference to the abovementioned developments, Iran did not bother to reciprocate — at least in terms of the level of its reaction. The question as to why it did not react has two logical answers. The first would be that Iran accepts the Saudi accusation that it is the main source of instability and terror in the region. However, given internal debates on regional policy in Tehran, this assumption has no basis. The second possible answer is that Iranian elites do not perceive the Saudi moves against Iran as being of importance, in terms of their effect. This answer is more relevant in Iran’s internal debates.

In fact, Iranian elites tend to exclude Saudi Arabia from their list of perceived national security threats, even though Riyadh has ironically been the main source of threat against Iran during the past five turbulent years in the Middle East. Iranians have been witnessing aggressive acts on the part of Saudi Arabia in Iraq, Syria, Bahrain, Yemen and now even within Iran. Yet, Iranian elites still refrain from viewing Riyadh as a threat.

In the Iranian debate on Saudi Arabia’s regional policies, there have always been two viewpoints: The first and most prevalent one stresses the need for dialogue and diplomatic engagement with Riyadh as the best way to stop its hostile attitude toward Iran. Indeed, the majority within Iran’s diplomatic and political and even security apparatus hold this stance. The second and more marginal viewpoint takes Riyadh’s hostility as a threat and advocates the creation of an infrastructure to counter this threat. Notwithstanding its reasoning, this point of view has never made its way to foreign policy decision-making in Iran. Thus, Iran’s formal bureaucracy has never moved to perceive Riyadh as a threat and hence never dealt with it as such.

This perception stems from a tradition in Iran’s worldview that divides Middle Eastern states into independent and dependent ones. In the view of Iranian elites, at least in the 1980s and 1990s, Saudi Arabia was dependent and could not initiate nonaligned policies. According to this point of view, even the Saudi support for Iraq during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War was not an independently initiated Saudi policy. Thus, Saudi hostility toward Iran at that time was perceived as being somewhat beyond the will of the Saudi state. Even though this understanding of Saudi Arabia has changed in Iran during the past decade, Tehran’s approach toward Riyadh has not. As such, within the current framework of the Iranian understanding of Saudi Arabia, differences with Riyadh are seen as manageable via diplomacy. This was the case during the tenures of former Reformist President Mohammad Khatami (1997-2005) as well as Principlist President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (2005-13), and has continued under incumbent President Hassan Rouhani since 2013, too.

Another reason why Tehran in the past did not consider Riyadh as a threat was the perception of the latter’s military as weak and security as fragile. In this reading, a country with limited military might is not considered as a direct threat. Accordingly, Riyadh was perceived as so vulnerable in terms of its military and security that it would be deterred from posing any sort of direct threat against Iran. In other words, the logic behind this perception was that the risk of putting oneself in jeopardy would pre-empt threats against others. Despite Saudi Arabia’s huge military expenditure over the past decade, this perception has not changed. Indeed, there have even been voices in Tehran who despise Riyadh for what they perceive of as the Saudis' purchasing arms that they cannot use.

Despite all the changes in Saudi foreign policy, Riyadh is still perceived in Tehran almost the same way it was a decade ago. Although the voices demanding a stronger stance and a revision in Iran’s policy toward Saudi Arabia are getting louder, it seems that Iranian elites, even if they feel a need for change, still stick to the previous policy of preferring diplomatic engagement to resolve differences to avoid yet more escalation with Saudi Arabia. Thus, the main objective in Tehran is to de-escalate the situation or at the very least stop any further escalation.

Hence, despite all the challenges it poses, Riyadh’s regional policy and strategic behavior is still not perceived as a threat in Tehran. At this point, the question is thus whether Iran’s approach to de-escalation will eventually backfire. Indeed, the Iranian perception of Saudi Arabia as not constituting a direct national security threat appears to be well understood in Riyadh and may even be part of Saudi decision-makers’ calculations in their dealings with Iran. As such, Saudi decision-makers may have latitude that their Iranian counterparts are lacking. Taking developments last year as an example, Riyadh appears to not have missed an opportunity to escalate things with Tehran, in the knowledge that the Iranians will not respond in kind.

Thus, Iran’s policy of seeking to not create another source of instability in the Middle East by avoiding counterescalation in its dealings with Saudi Arabia may, in fact, very well paradoxically constitute a threat to both regional stability and Iranian national security. By avoiding a shift in policy toward Saudi Arabia, Iran may be inviting Saudi escalation against both Tehran and its allies while at the same time tying its own hands in terms of its responses. In other words, current Iranian policy can best be characterized as an inverse security dilemma that may cause more trouble than it solves.



Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...tions-turki-mek-conference.html#ixzz4F3vJIkzw
 
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We should wait to see who finally become next president in the USA ..
 
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Plz start the fvcking fight, will you start fighting each other after killing whole middle east population in ur proxy wars? plz spare those inncoent, invade Riyadh, Saudi should invade Tehran with thier shinny new equipment.

Finish this shit once and for all..
 
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Not a big fan of Arabian logics but he is right here. Iran was peaceful and friendly to every neighbour before Khomeini's took over.
Yeah,and what was the first thing the arabs did after the revolution,waged a war of aggression thats what.Peaceful and friendly has to cut both ways and at the moment the arabs are anything but,the one consolation is that the arabs are such an appalling militarily joke that they present no real threat to anyone.
 
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Plz start the fvcking fight, will you start fighting each other after killing whole middle east population in ur proxy wars? plz spare those inncoent, invade Riyadh, Saudi should invade Tehran with thier shinny new equipment.

Finish this shit once and for all..
What the Iranians and Saudis are waiting for. Please nuke each other, cut each other's throat and spare the Muslim ummah.

The Muslim world Will be at peace without you two.
We are clear on this matter we never start a war ,if you want it you can start it but be aware we commit fully to it don't expect any half hearted nonsense. if you attack you understand the meaning of 20,000,000 army
 
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We are clear on this matter we never start a war ,if you want it you can start it but be aware we commit fully to it don't expect any half hearted nonsense. if you attack you understand the meaning of 20,000,000 army

you are already fighting proxy wars for 30 years.. WTF are you waiting for? Saudi did its move when they send Iraq under saddam.. where is reply of Iran? dont worry wahabbi have enough madrassa to counter your 200000000000000.. as i said just start war, stop hiding behind killing of innocent ME people in your proxy wars.. face each other like man and spare innocent Muslims..
 
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What the Iranians and Saudis are waiting for. Please nuke each other, cut each other's throat and spare the Muslim ummah.

The Muslim world Will be at peace without you two.

Muslim 'ummah' is drowning in its own stupidity, and one of the terms of this stupidity is always blaming others and never blame theirselves or their actions.
 
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the one consolation is that the arabs are such an appalling militarily joke that they present no real threat to anyone.
I think this is what the author is warning against. KSA should be recognized by Iran's government as the enemy it really is and then dealt with accordingly. Not minding it at all will only make it bolder and the fact is underestimating the enemy is not wise.

Not a big fan of Arabian logics but he is right here. Iran was peaceful and friendly to every neighbour before Khomeini's took over.
Not really, Iran today is way friendlier. One of the mistreatment similar to what KSA is doing these days was enough for Iran back then to deploy its military in a show of power and put the opponent in its place. Same as it did back in the days when Saddam was trying to ban Iranian ships from sailing in Arvand River.

What this article is implying if you read it thoroughly is urging Iran to stop playing nicely and return KSA's favor.
 
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you are already fighting proxy wars for 30 years.. WTF are you waiting for? Saudi did its move when they send Iraq under saddam.. where is reply of Iran? dont worry wahabbi have enough madrassa to counter your 200000000000000.. as i said just start war, stop hiding behind killing of innocent ME people in your proxy wars.. face each other like man and spare innocent Muslims..

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you are already fighting proxy wars for 30 years.. WTF are you waiting for? Saudi did its move when they send Iraq under saddam.. where is reply of Iran? dont worry wahabbi have enough madrassa to counter your 200000000000000.. as i said just start war, stop hiding behind killing of innocent ME people in your proxy wars.. face each other like man and spare innocent Muslims..
Yes what enemies of manly nature do... Like Pak-India started a nuke war and finish it once and for all... There is a reason non of your brilliant analysts are in charge of weapons and war in your countries... Eat your pizza and watch your cricket... let the jungle (world) run itself the way it deserves

I think this is what the author is warning against. KSA should be recognized by Iran's government as the enemy it really is and then dealt with accordingly. Not minding it at all will only make it bolder and the fact is underestimating the enemy is not wise.


Not really, Iran today is way friendlier. One of the mistreatment similar to what KSA is doing these days was enough for Iran back then to deploy its military in a show of power and put the opponent in its place. Same as it did back in the days when Saddam was trying to ban Iranian ships from sailing in Arvand River.

What this article is implying if you read it thoroughly is urging Iran to stop playing nicely and return KSA's favor.
Actually the current peaceful approach of Iran is the best Iran should do... Iranians who know Iranian way of thinking understand why... Iran be khatere doshmanaye ziad va adame hemayate aksariyat nemitoone hamintori alaki be arabestan hamle kone... iran karesh hamine... ejaze mide doshmanan bahane kafi baraye hamleye mashrooe iran bedan be daste ma... yani saudi hey miad jolo...jari mishe...ta ke ye rooz kari ke nanayad ro mikone... oonvaght iran be rahati kalake kar ro mikane... be barkhorde iran ba ghazie bahrein va shekh ghasem va bayanieh akhire sepah iran tavajoh konid mifahmid... tanha kasani ke in strategic planning iran ro fahmide USA hast... baghie booghan... in torie ke iran bedoone inke be hich keshvari hamle karde bashe nesfe ME ro dar controle khodesh dare
 
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Plz start the fvcking fight, will you start fighting each other after killing whole middle east population in ur proxy wars? plz spare those inncoent, invade Riyadh, Saudi should invade Tehran with thier shinny new equipment.

Finish this shit once and for all..
True, they should fight till death and leave all the oil and gas for us. :sarcastic:

we didn't declared war on any neighbor after that ,we didn't financed any war against any neighbor after that .

Not really, Iran today is way friendlier.
You know that not true. Everybody knows Iran is behind all the sectarian mess in the mid-east.
 
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Yes what enemies of manly nature do... Like Pak-India started a nuke war and finish it once and for all... There is a reason non of your brilliant analysts are in charge of weapons and war in your countries... Eat your pizza and watch your cricket... let the jungle (world) run itself the way it deserves


Actually the current peaceful approach of Iran is the best Iran should do... Iranians who know Iranian way of thinking understand why... Iran be khatere doshmanaye ziad va adame hemayate aksariyat nemitoone hamintori alaki be arabestan hamle kone... iran karesh hamine... ejaze mide doshmanan bahane kafi baraye hamleye mashrooe iran bedan be daste ma... yani saudi hey miad jolo...jari mishe...ta ke ye rooz kari ke nanayad ro mikone... oonvaght iran be rahati kalake kar ro mikane... be barkhorde iran ba ghazie bahrein va shekh ghasem va bayanieh akhire sepah iran tavajoh konid mifahmid... tanha kasani ke in strategic planning iran ro fahmide USA hast... baghie booghan... in torie ke iran bedoone inke be hich keshvari hamle karde bashe nesfe ME ro dar controle khodesh dare

Pakistan and India have much more decency then wild wahabbis and Mullah.. Plz dont insult our leadership by comparing it with wild animals rulers of ME.. We dont chant death to this and death to hindus.. We have few disputes, for which we fought 3 wars face to face... We dont just sit behind proxy and bark from distance like you cowards..
 
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