Why Iran Isn’t Keen to Replace its Ageing F-4D/E and F-5E Fighters: Preserving Domestic Industry at a High Cost

[Hack-Hook]

Nobody tells u to do it alone. While air defense are bleeding enemies airstrike. Precision strike ballstic missile and suicide drone are launch to take out enemies airbase a thousand km away. Harass or bleed their air defense missile. Ballistic missile and drone also will attack arty, army , tank position.

no ground airdefence is strong enough to be able to stop enemy aircraft penetration alone , it need to be complemented with strong airforce otherwise there is a lot of way they can penetrate

If Gulf War are decide by AF. The next modern conventional warfare between a major countries will be decide by hypersonic missile, precision strike ballistic missile and high tech drone.

and as i see cruise missiles fired from enemy aircraft and the airforce needs to be strong enough to deal with them . the role of our f-14 was supposed to be two thing , deal with enemy cruise missile , deal with Russian Mig-25s

 

[Beast]

no ground airdefence is strong enough to be able to stop enemy aircraft penetration alone , it need to be complemented with strong airforce otherwise there is a lot of way they can penetrate


and as i see cruise missiles fired from enemy aircraft and the airforce needs to be strong enough to deal with them . the role of our f-14 was supposed to be two thing , deal with enemy cruise missile , deal with Russian Mig-25s

It can. During Gulf war, if Iraqi has ballistic missile able to strike enemies line a thousand km behind. Those coalition airbase aircraft or runaway will be useless and air defense pressure will be reduced heavily. Enemy air strike forces will also heavily reduced. Then counter attack will be launch on Frontline with barrage of arty and armour roll in to inflict heavy casualties on coalition forces. Not to mention those helo attack and support base need to be just 300-400 km range away from Frontline due to helo limited range. At these range, they are easy meat for Iran Qiam 1 and 2 short range ballistic missile.

Usinf Gulf war tactics of mainly airforce will be suicide in 2022 warfare against Iran or China. Iran high command are smart to invest most of their money into precision strike ballistic missile and drone.

Airforce are expensive, high casualty and slow compare to ballistic missile strike.

Only big and rich countries like China and US devoted much fund Into it.

 

[gambit]

The funny part, in watching the defenders of missiles as primary method of defense, is that the Cold War experience pretty much reduced that method, not to uselessness, but that the missile became secondary to the air force. But I guess history have to repeat itself.

 

[Beast]

The funny part, in watching the defenders of missiles as primary method of defense, is that the Cold War experience pretty much reduced that method, not to uselessness, but that the missile became secondary to the air force. But I guess history have to repeat itself.

What history you talk about? The Iran has demonstrate the powess of ballistic missile despite having a weak airforce. They wreck US bases in Iraq and strike terrorist outpost despite being thousand km away.

We are into era of 21th century where ballistic missile have pin point accuracy and even able to hit moving targets. Trying to used 70s and 80s technology as example clearly shown your weakness of trying to hide ballistic missile massive threat.

An aircraft take off and strike a target may take even hours while a ballistic missile launch to take out a target take only a few mins without a single casualty. And if u missed, fired a few more.

 

[TNT]

Iran AF is obsolete but they know they wont be invaded anytime soon so they r basically ignoring it. With the situation of russia, their future option is only china i guess.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran AF is obsolete but they know they wont be invaded anytime soon so they r basically ignoring it. With the situation of russia, their future option is only china i guess.

no thats an option but not a good one , the future of our air-force will be guarantied of we rely on ourself and stick to the plan to use the Kowsar and develop it in to something a lot better than we can get from foreign countries,

 

[Beast]

Iran AF is obsolete but they know they wont be invaded anytime soon so they r basically ignoring it. With the situation of russia, their future option is only china i guess.

Iranian are smart. Their AF are child play compare to Saudi but their drone fleet and ballistic missile are far superior than Arabs. Which is why Saudi invest heavily on drone by buying 300 wind loong I and II. But precision strike ballistic technology are something sensitive which are restrict range by international that can only developed by yourself.

Turkey shall also emulate Iran formula if they want to take on USA and EU to threat instead of devoting time and effort on an airforce. Turkey are going in right direction of building a massive drone fleet but they are ignoring ballstic missile development or maybe they are lacking technology in such area.

 

[Abid123]

Iranian are smart. Their AF are child play compare to Saudi but their drone fleet and ballistic missile are far superior than Arabs. Which is why Saudi invest heavily on drone by buying 300 wind loong I and II. But precision strike ballistic technology are something sensitive which are restrict range by international that can only developed by yourself.

Turkey shall also emulate Iran formula if they want to take on USA and EU to threat instead of devoting time and effort on an airforce. Turkey are going in right direction of building a massive drone fleet but they are ignoring ballstic missile development or maybe they are lacking technology in such area.

Tactical nukes are better than hundreds of ballistic missiles. A 5kt tactical nuke can wipe out any military installation in the blink of an eye.

 

[Beast]

Tactical nukes are better than hundreds of ballistic missiles. A 5kt tactical nuke can wipe out any military installation in the blink of an eye.

As if u can used nuke for a LOC clash? Shall u used nuke for a dozen of terrorist hiding in a small hut far way from Iran border?

 

[SalarHaqq]

It can. During Gulf war, if Iraqi has ballistic missile able to strike enemies line a thousand km behind. Those coalition airbase aircraft or runaway will be useless and air defense pressure will be reduced heavily. Enemy air strike forces will also heavily reduced. Then counter attack will be launch on Frontline with barrage of arty and armour roll in to inflict heavy casualties on coalition forces. Not to mention those helo attack and support base need to be just 300-400 km range away from Frontline due to helo limited range. At these range, they are easy meat for Iran Qiam 1 and 2 short range ballistic missile.

Usinf Gulf war tactics of mainly airforce will be suicide in 2022 warfare against Iran or China. Iran high command are smart to invest most of their money into precision strike ballistic missile and drone.

Airforce are expensive, high casualty and slow compare to ballistic missile strike.

Only big and rich countries like China and US devoted much fund Into it.

You summed it up nicely.

May I add, Iraq not only didn't possess pinpoint accurate TBM's, its arsenal also amounted to no more than a minimal fraction of Iran's. Iranian ballistic missiles number in the high tens of thousands. Nor was Iraq equipped with any of the practically unassailable hardened underground missile bases, cities actually, which Iran has constructed beneath mountains. Nor did Iraq develop any equivalent to Iran's missile farms (launchers buried in the soil, hard to detect by the enemy).

Apples and oranges, verily. And yet, the so-called "SCUD hunt" conducted by the USA in 2003 was fraught with considerable difficulties, as per western sources themselves. Imagine going up against Iran with its nec plus ultra BM force. A lost cause.

And thanks for highlighting the defensive role of BM's insofar as they are the cornerstone of Iran's area denial strategy, by virtue of which the enemy's main strike arm, its air force, will be compromised since the static and bulky infrastructure an air force relies on, namely air bases, will be pounded by relentless Iranian missile strikes in case of war.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You summed it up nicely.

May I add, Iraq not only didn't possess pinpoint accurate TBM's, its arsenal also amounted to no more than a minimal fraction of Iran's. Iranian ballistic missiles number in the high tens of thousands. Nor was Iraq equipped with any of the practically unassailable hardened underground missile bases, cities actually, which Iran has constructed beneath mountains. Nor did Iraq develop any equivalent to Iran's missile farms (launchers buried in the soil, hard to detect by the enemy).

Apples and oranges, verily. And yet, the so-called "SCUD hunt" conducted by the USA in 2003 was fraught with considerable difficulties, as per western sources themselves. Imagine going up against Iran with its nec plus ultra BM force. A lost cause.

And thanks for highlighting the defensive role of BM's insofar as they are the cornerstone of Iran's area denial strategy, by virtue of which the enemy's main strike arm, its air force, will be compromised since the static and bulky infrastructure an air force relies on, namely air bases, will be pounded by relentless Iranian missile strikes in case of war.

russia had pinpoint missile , what he achieved , defeat after defeat,

 

[SalarHaqq]

russia had pinpoint missile , what he achieved , defeat after defeat,

1) What defeats were these?

2) But Russia never conducted the kind of warfare Iran would in case of a military aggression by foreign enemies. Russia does possess pinpoint accurate TBM's, but its doctrine isn't centered around them to the extent of Iran's.

3) When it comes to the Soviet Union, some particularly inspiring points had been made on this board before:

 

[Hack-Hook]

1) What defeats were these?

2) But Russia never conducted the kind of warfare Iran would in case of a military aggression by foreign enemies. Russia does possess pinpoint accurate TBM's, but its doctrine isn't centered around them to the extent of Iran's.

3) When it comes to the Soviet Union, some particularly inspiring points had been made on this board before:

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Salar , if you say what defeat , i ask you last two week ,in which cave you were living. right now north of Donetsk is open and flanked and Ukrainian moving forward into Donetsk

you talk about oka , what fear it bring a 500km missile with 120m cep. we were there and the strategy didn't bring down the moral of city of Dezful.
wonder why you guys always stock in cold war era , why you can't understand the warfare has changed , at least look at Russia failure and learn from it

خنده دار هست بعضی ها شدن روس تر اروسها تا یک کلمه بگی روسیه گند زده . به رگ غیرتشان بر میخوره مثل اینکه به پدر و مادرشان ناسزای ناموسی دادی. متوجه نیستن حقیقت لخت و عریان جلوی چشم همه هست دیده میشه دیگه هیچ جایی برای دفاع نمونده​

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

russia had pinpoint missile , what he achieved , defeat after defeat,

Because russian offensive warfare doctrine is rubbish. For defensive war, though, it would have given it a massive edge.

 

[kingQamaR]

Iranian are smart. Their AF are child play compare to Saudi but their drone fleet and ballistic missile are far superior than Arabs. Which is why Saudi invest heavily on drone by buying 300 wind loong I and II. But precision strike ballistic technology are something sensitive which are restrict range by international that can only developed by yourself.

Turkey shall also emulate Iran formula if they want to take on USA and EU to threat instead of devoting time and effort on an airforce. Turkey are going in right direction of building a massive drone fleet but they are ignoring ballstic missile development or maybe they are lacking technology in such area.

It’s a flying museum. A lot of the planes are from the late 1960s and early 1970s. They are the only nation flying the F-14A Tomcat. The also have quite a few F-5 Tiger IIs and F-4 Phantom IIs. They have some newer Russian made fighters most of which are former Iraqi planes from the 1980s. Your PLA , are a lot smarter than what you are telling Iranians on here regarding there crazy fighter programs