Why India's choosing US side to contain China is an epic mistake

[nahtanbob]

I don't think all investments are good for a country. Financial investment for example does more harm than good. What India needs is investment in infrastructures, power, manufacture. China is the best choice for all of these.

American pumps $100 billions employing millions of Indians

What does China have to offer ?
In what world is selling Chinese products & labor is investment in infrastructure ?

 

[mmr]

First of all, I need to make it clear that India is completely responsible for the recent China-India tensions. After Trump visited India in February, Modi had already made up his mind to join in anti China coalition. From April India army broke the status quo at LAC to build roads and bridges there.

Back to the topic. The best choice for India is, sitting on the fence(plan A). Keeping same distance between China and US. Good choice is joining in China’s side(plan B). Worst choice is Joining in US side(plan C).

1, Why is plan A the best choice? It will guarantee India to make profit from both sides. Both sides are willing to offer bribes to India. After joining in US side, India has lost its strategic flexibility. China of course will become its enemy. For US, it doesn’t have to please India because India has no way back. Before the day India decided to side with US, India was the boss. After, US was the boss.

2, Why plan B is better than plan C? 1) If India joins in China side, its position in the ally will be one of the leader countries. May be next to China. On US side however, India will be one of pawn countries like Australia, Canada, Japan. Maybe even worse. 2) China can help India more than US does. First, China has more free money than US to invest. Second, India’s economic structure is too different than US’. China’s technology transfer is more suitable for India’s industry demands. China is good at infrastructure, energy, electronics, labor-intensive industries. US is good at semiconductors, aircraft, high tech products. US is neither suitable for India’s development phase nor willing to transfer it technologies to India or other counties. The China-US trade war has proven that. 3) China is India’s neighbour. US is too far away. China can help India more, also can hurt India more. I mean much much more.

Modi is not a smart leader. He may want to become Indian version Deng Xiaoping. Who joined in US side during cold war and started a war with China’s neighbour Vietnam, Which demonstrated to the world that China was on US board. And China gained a huge reward by that. But things are different this time.

1, Soviet Union was barely a big economic power. It was an energy and materials supplier. And it’s a declining super power. Leaving it would not cause serious loss. Now, US is the declining super power and China is the biggest and growing industry country.

2, Boycotting Chinese products set a glass ceiling for India’s future development. India can boycott Chinese products because it is an importer. But if Indians have a wider and longer view, they should know China is the world biggest market and will be the biggest technologies transfer source. Giving up China is equal to giving up India’s future. “No China” is okay for present India, but not okay if India wants to upgrade its industry structure. The higher India’s development stage is, the harder the glass ceiling will be.

3, China will not collapse like Soviet Union did. China is way stronger than Soviet Union. Western countries have huge interests in China. Chinese leaders are much smarter than Soviet Union’s leaders. Compared with Russians, Chinese are much hardworking and good at science and economic activities. China will haunt India forever.

China will be fine without india.

India was never going to take china's side. Even there was no border problem and even if china invest billions in india.

To indians china is a threat. Nothing will change that mentality.

India on the other hand believes by siding with the west they will get trade deals...investment and technology trasfer.

India saw an opportunity to be close to usa and took it. And you can see that trend long before 2020. Even in obama era india was the main player on indo Pacific strategy which was designed to contain china. You dont have to be rocket scientist to connect the dots.

 

[Prometheus]

To an outside world it doesn't matter whether its BJP or INC, we are talking about dismal state of Indian democracy.



Completely untrue , China and India has no comparison. China is at least 50 years ahead of India.




Agreed, many many decades.




Untrue, this is your personal opinion keep it to yourself.





Cant compare the two, Kashmir is disputed territory while Ughurs are Chinese people and is China's internal matter. The prosecution of minorities is much worse in India, we see beef killing, Love Jihad, burning of mosques , calling Muslims responsible for Corona etc as a norm in India on daily basis.







Sums up your IQ level for me. Another Bakht defending India and Modi. You wanted to isolate Pakistan, you are the one isolated today. Kicked out of Afghanistan, Russia abandoned you, Nepal issues new map claiming India occupying vast territories of Nepal, Iran recently kicked you out as well. Bangladesh upset on CAA.


This is not republic tv, don't fool people on this forum. And STOP LYING.

1) Please dont call me a modi bhakt.........I am not a nikar wearing dude.
2) Its literally funny that a Pakistani is complaining about minority rights.............wow........people with Glass houses dont throw stones on others. .....a country who has killed, kiddnapped , force fully converted minor hindu/sikhs ...........thats just plain hilarious.

You might have heard beef lynching .........then you might have also heard about the people who raised voices against it!! nothing similar happens in Pakistan where someone kiddnaps a 12-13 year child and wed it to 40 year man and a maulvi agrees to perform marriage ritual and even records to boost the forced conversion

3) Indian Democracy gives me freedom to call Indian PM a idiotic clown..............which is not possible in communist china .

4) using your words against you............sums up low IQ..........if a person thinks india is isolated just because nepal issued new map..................almost every country has a map that says China has occupied or trying to occupy there land.....................talk about low IQ

5) Russia is still with India. Its not going anywhere. proof is its regular support in UNSC where he always veto any resolution against India .

6) SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU DONT CARE ABOUT MUSLIMS WHN IT COMES TO CHINA??? selective outrage for only Kashmiri muslims???? maybe someone is afraid to critize Winnie the pooh

 

[Prometheus]

I am constantly struck by the narrow mindedness and vision of India and Indians.
They never seem to see the train coming down the tracks until it hits them in the face.

If open mindedness is only talking about Kashmiri muslims and not Chinese muslims............if its talking about only minorities of India only and not about minorities of Pakistan ............that sorry thank you

As the Chinese saying goes there can't be 2 tigers on one hill. That being said there was no country on earth that sucked up to the US more than treacherous China that worked against USSR against its own principles.

Not only they betrayed USSR which helped them in their formation they attacked them also........then when USSR said they are going to nuke them...........chinese communits fled the capital started digging bunkers while begging international powers to save them

Communist china also attacked allies of USSR in 1979 when they attacked Vietnam

and pakistanis consider them trust worthy

 

[Uguduwa]

Not only they betrayed USSR which helped them in their formation they attacked them also........then when USSR said they are going to nuke them...........chinese communits fled the capital started digging bunkers while begging international powers to save them

Communist china also attacked allies of USSR in 1979 when they attacked Vietnam

and pakistanis consider them trust worthy

Such betrayals against the great communist party should never be forgotten. They complain that India betrayed China but in reality it was the Chinese who betrayed the USSR just to prove how worthy of a slave they are to the US. Makes my blood boil to even think about it.

 

[Prometheus]

Such betrayals against the great communist party should never be forgotten. They complain that India betrayed China but in reality it was the Chinese who betrayed the USSR just to prove how worthy of a slave they are to the US. Makes my blood boil to even think about it.

Totally agree comrade.
Chinese communists are not true to communist ideology

 

[vi-va]

First of all, I need to make it clear that India is completely responsible for the recent China-India tensions. After Trump visited India in February, Modi had already made up his mind to join in anti China coalition. From April India army broke the status quo at LAC to build roads and bridges there.

Back to the topic. The best choice for India is, sitting on the fence(plan A). Keeping same distance between China and US. Good choice is joining in China’s side(plan B). Worst choice is Joining in US side(plan C).

1, Why is plan A the best choice? It will guarantee India to make profit from both sides. Both sides are willing to offer bribes to India. After joining in US side, India has lost its strategic flexibility. China of course will become its enemy. For US, it doesn’t have to please India because India has no way back. Before the day India decided to side with US, India was the boss. After, US was the boss.

2, Why plan B is better than plan C? 1) If India joins in China side, its position in the ally will be one of the leader countries. May be next to China. On US side however, India will be one of pawn countries like Australia, Canada, Japan. Maybe even worse. 2) China can help India more than US does. First, China has more free money than US to invest. Second, India’s economic structure is too different than US’. China’s technology transfer is more suitable for India’s industry demands. China is good at infrastructure, energy, electronics, labor-intensive industries. US is good at semiconductors, aircraft, high tech products. US is neither suitable for India’s development phase nor willing to transfer it technologies to India or other counties. The China-US trade war has proven that. 3) China is India’s neighbour. US is too far away. China can help India more, also can hurt India more. I mean much much more.

Modi is not a smart leader. He may want to become Indian version Deng Xiaoping. Who joined in US side during cold war and started a war with China’s neighbour Vietnam, Which demonstrated to the world that China was on US board. And China gained a huge reward by that. But things are different this time.

1, Soviet Union was barely a big economic power. It was an energy and materials supplier. And it’s a declining super power. Leaving it would not cause serious loss. Now, US is the declining super power and China is the biggest and growing industry country.

2, Boycotting Chinese products set a glass ceiling for India’s future development. India can boycott Chinese products because it is an importer. But if Indians have a wider and longer view, they should know China is the world biggest market and will be the biggest technologies transfer source. Giving up China is equal to giving up India’s future. “No China” is okay for present India, but not okay if India wants to upgrade its industry structure. The higher India’s development stage is, the harder the glass ceiling will be.

3, China will not collapse like Soviet Union did. China is way stronger than Soviet Union. Western countries have huge interests in China. Chinese leaders are much smarter than Soviet Union’s leaders. Compared with Russians, Chinese are much hardworking and good at science and economic activities. China will haunt India forever.

Well said, but Indian lack of in depth thinking. From their point of view, China is USSR, while Pakistan is Vietnam.
So they want to beat both China and Pakistan with the help of US.

The thing is Pakistan is way stronger than Vietnam, China is not USSR in 1979. China won't collapse in next decades or foreseeable future.

Modi put India as FRONT LINE country. Ever heard of Front Line country?

• The East Germany and West Germany during Cold War.
• The North Korea and South Korea during Cold War.
• The Afghanistan during Cold War.
• The Vietnam during Cold War.

When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.

BJP/Modi has no clear strategy, just nudged by US and Israel.
Good luck to India.

I foresee India will be a historical geographic term in my life time.

 

[Prometheus]

Well said, but Indian lack of in depth thinking. From their point of view, China is USSR, while Pakistan is Vietnam.
So they want to beat both China and Pakistan with the help of US.

The thing is Pakistan is way stronger than Vietnam, China is not USSR in 1979. China won't collapse in next decades or foreseeable future.

Modi put India as FRONT LINE country. Ever heard of Front Line country?

• The East Germany and West Germany during Cold War.
• The North Korea and South Korea during Cold War.
• The Afghanistan during Cold War.
• The Vietnam during Cold War.

When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.

BJP/Modi has no clear strategy, just nudged by US and Israel.
Good luck to India.

I foresee India will be a historical geographic term in my life time.

didnt Vietnam kick Communist China in 1979???

are you saying India is becoming front line country in cold war between us and china? wont comunist china would also be front line country if india becomes one?

 

[casual]

China have tired to be friendly to India before, but Indians will never trust the Chinese so that failed. Indians want to know why China decided to push the LAC? It's because India aligned with the US to contain China therefore China needed push the LAC south to create a buffer dmz.

 

[vi-va]

didnt Vietnam kick Communist China in 1979???

are you saying India is becoming front line country in cold war between us and china? wont comunist china would also be front line country if india becomes one?

The lower hand is the battle field.

 

[HalfMoon]

Forget about competing with other countries, it needs to first focus on developing itself. How can you race other professional runners when you have not even mastered how to walk?

India is barely able to crawl. Walking and Running is long way.

 

[Vikram1]

India is barely able to crawl. Walking and Running is long way.

We are waiting to ban Chinese import as far as we can go (even with heavy import duty) we can automatically self sufficient.
Essential items for Corona already prove that.

 

[maverick1977]

China is an enemy... who puts the citizens as slaves.. and u want the democratic country like INDIA want to be allied with it.. r u gone nuts?.

India should play strategic games, get US weapons and make CHINA vulnerable with Nukes & by building more delivery systems.
Reduce imports and ally with all its enemies, strengthen QUAD, play war games in Indian ocean..

Its win win situation for India, extract the universal hatredness of all CHINEESE people around the world, replace all the workers in foriegn countries by Indians or south aseans.. CN is a very dirt word after CORONA.. year 2020 is wasted.. and the poster wants IN to be alley with CN.. no doubt the CN ambasidor has making overtures to India, thryre feeling the pain all around the diplomatic mess.

Unfortunately, having a caste system is the biggest form of slavery.

 

[HalfMoon]

We are waiting to ban Chinese import as far as we can go (even with heavy import duty) we can automatically self sufficient.
Essential items for Corona already prove that.

Then brace for a revolt and revolution in India.

Indians simply love Chinese goods.

 

[faithfulguy]

Well said, but Indian lack of in depth thinking. From their point of view, China is USSR, while Pakistan is Vietnam.
So they want to beat both China and Pakistan with the help of US.

The thing is Pakistan is way stronger than Vietnam, China is not USSR in 1979. China won't collapse in next decades or foreseeable future.

Modi put India as FRONT LINE country. Ever heard of Front Line country?

• The East Germany and West Germany during Cold War.
• The North Korea and South Korea during Cold War.
• The Afghanistan during Cold War.
• The Vietnam during Cold War.

When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.

BJP/Modi has no clear strategy, just nudged by US and Israel.
Good luck to India.

I foresee India will be a historical geographic term in my life time.

Yes, India was a geographical expression before the British. It should revert back to being a geographical expression.

India is barely able to crawl. Walking and Running is long way.

India might not be able to walk the walk. But they are masters of talk the talk. So much so that Trump will fit right at home.

Didn’t Trump studied under an Indian guru at Nalanda university on marketing?