Why India wants an unstable Pakistan?

[coffee_cup]

Nobody had any presence in Siachen glacier before both the armies raced towards it, while India had bunkers and regular presence in Kargil.

Bunkers mean nothing. Here we have a disputed territory, where you send your soldiers to occupy (whether empty before or not) and you call it fair sport.

Then at the same time if others retaliate and follow suit, you complain.

And that is what makes one wonder what kind of sportsmanship is this you are gloating about?

 

[Nicky G]

That is right, india has no wish for a stable Pakistan and that is the main point of this thread - to find out the root cause of indian insecurities and find a way to adress them.

Saying things like "India does not care about Pakistan", or "India does not spend significat resources and vitrually no man-power to achieve those objectives" is as far fetched from reality as you can imagine.

In reality, india has been spending more than significant amount of resources to destabilize not only Pakistan but also other neighboring countries. Training, arming, sponsoring, brain washing large terrorist organizations such as LTTE, Mukti Bahini, BLA and TTP does require a lot of resources and manpower.

And again, this is not the normal people who are the problem, these are the extremist hindutavas sitting in the govt who are the real danger to the regional peace.

India does have more than fair share of her own fault lines: Sikhs, Naxals/Maoists, Muslims, Chrisitans, Dalits are but a few examples and if some other country with enough economic clout decides to use them, india is doomed. So I think, indians must realize that they are following a very very dangerous path by spreading cross-border terrorism.

The question to ask is - Why would India want a stable Pak? Nothing to gain apart from being a temporary buffer from the Afghan mess. That too might be a non-issue in a couple of decades.

What you consider significant resources or where you consider India to be spending those resources is laughably unimportant. No one in the world cares. So you people are welcome to your delusions.

Then go get those countries with economic clout to try to 'doom' India.

Fact is India has to do little in destabilizing Pak when you people are doing such a good job of it yourself. No amount of RAW threads on a random forum is going to change the reality on the ground.

 

[vitalsign]

Your statement is wrong on the 1948 and 1965. I will post the information later on.

Ok, I am waiting for it.

 

[@nline]

Indian all the time cry over ISI & Pakistan into their huge poor media.

 

[nForce]

Bunkers mean nothing. Here we have a disputed territory, where you send your soldiers to occupy (whether empty before or not) and you call it fair sport.

Then at the same time if others retaliate and follow suit, you complain.

And that is what makes one wonder what kind of sportsmanship is this you are gloating about?

Why bunkers mean nothing ?

The bunkers rightly designate the LoC, which is otherwise a frivolous imaginary line lost in the folds of one of the most rugged terrains in the World. It is those bunkers that mark the area.
A cease-fire line agreement was signed and ratified by India, Pakistan and UN Observers in 1949. This line was accepted by both country as Line of Control by the Suchetgarh Agreement of December 1972 between Indian PM Indirira Gandhi and Pakistani PM Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Both sides also agreed to the military gains made during the war.

Thus, all territory to the south and west to the famous NJ 9842, went to India. The conflict is with the vagueness about the border beyond NJ 9842, towards north. According to Pakistan, the Loc should run north-west towards Karakoram pass, leading to Tibet(which btw, is NOT following the ridge line, and the entire LoC is along the ridge line which is again an international convention). According to India, the LoC should run along the Saltoro ridge.

This area was demarcated, not disputed and nobody was ever there to claim. The dispute started when US cartographic maps started showing the entire Siachen-Saltoro region in Pakistani side and Pakistan also adopted the same map, for obvious reasons, without any questions. This conflict became more pronounced and both the countries sent expeditions to claim the area with India winning the race.

The same parallel cannot be drawn with Kargil, because as per the agreement signed in Suchetgarh by India and Pakistan, on December 1972, all territorial gains made by India in Kargil sector and the Turtuk region in that sector went to India.

Basically Pakistani generals were

 

[my2cents]

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And we are happy for you for having all this. We also will be happy for you when 600+ million people get access to toilets.

But that is not the main point here.

We just want one thing from you: Stop sponsoring cross-border terrorism in Pakistan (and the neighborhood).

That is not too much asking, is it?

Do you see any training camps in India?

We learned our lessons from LTTE and our prime minister lost his life because he realised his mistake and went after the same LTTE. We are wiser because of our past mistakes.

Now look, we have asked you to stop cross-border terrorism for 25 years and to shut down training camps. We have raised this issue of terrorism emanating from Pakistan in many forums but after post 9-11, world has woken up to its menace. Just last week Mr Modi raised this issue with Chinese leaders.


Now why would we be doing the same mistake when we in fact championed its awareness.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

How Pakistan Hurts Its People By Blaming India | Malik Siraj Akbar

Interesting read.

 

[coffee_cup]

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Do you see any training camps in India?

We learned our lessons from LTTE and our prime minister lost his life because he realised his mistake and went after the same LTTE. We are wiser because of our past mistakes.

Now look, we have asked you to stop cross-border terrorism for 25 years and to shut down training camps. We have raised this issue of terrorism emanating from Pakistan in many forums but after post 9-11, world has woken up to its menace. Just last week Mr Modi raised this issue with Chinese leaders.

Now why would we be doing the same mistake when we in fact championed its awareness.

Yes right, after decades of running LTTE, Mukti Bahini terrorist training camps from where the terrorists got trainings to butcher and massacre innocent civilians in the neighboring countries in their thousands, now india has learnt her lesson.

And now that she has shifted those terrorist training camps elsewhere to Afghanistan, Tajikstan etc, she should be exenorated from all that cross-border terrorism (past and present) , wow!

Modi raising the issue is like terrorist protesting again terrorism and the world knows it.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Yes right, after decades of running LTTE, Mukti Bahini terrorist training camps from where the terrorists got trainings to butcher and massacre innocent civilians in the neighboring countries in their thousands, now india has learnt her lesson.

And now that she has shifted those terrorist training camps elsewhere to Afghanistan, Tajikstan etc, she should be exenorated from all that cross-border terrorism (past and present) , wow!

Modi raising the issue is like terrorist protesting again terrorism and the world knows it.

We will talk when a most wanted terrorist in the world is found in our backyard.... Osama Bin Laden... rings a bell???

 

[coffee_cup]

How Pakistan Hurts Its People By Blaming India | Malik Siraj Akbar

Interesting read.

Another interesting read:

Narendra Modi, a man with a massacre on his hands, is not the reasonable choice for India | Aditya Chakrabortty | The Guardian

We can play this game all day long.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Another interesting read:

Narendra Modi, a man with a massacre on his hands, is not the reasonable choice for India | Aditya Chakrabortty | The Guardian

We can play this game all day long.

Another one especially for you: Court Clears Narendra Modi in Riots Case - India Real Time - WSJ

And this one as a bonus: Yes, Pakistanis are united against terrorism. But not on terrorists | Cyril Almeida | Comment is free | The Guardian

 

[coffee_cup]

Another one especially for you: Court Clears Narendra Modi in Riots Case - India Real Time - WSJ

What else do you expect from indian justice system which is nothing more than a joke? Just like the justice system in our country.

Do you expect the indian courts to indict extremist hindus? I have yet to see high profile extremist hindu being actually punished. Instead they are rewarded for massacres and go on to become PM.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

What else do you expect from indian justice system which is nothing more than a joke? Just like the justice system in our country.
Do you expect the indian courts to indict extremist hindus? I have yet to see high profile extremist hindu being actually punished. Instead they are rewarded for massacres and go on to become PM.

Now you can go around ranting... Indian courts goes and indicts a criminal...be it a Hindu or a Muslim...our courts are not full of people who Shower rose petals on someone who killed a man in daylight.
Lawyers shower roses for governor's killer - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[coffee_cup]

Now you can go around ranting... Indian courts goes and indicts a criminal...be it a Hindu or a Muslim...our courts are not full of people who Shower rose petals on someone who killed a man in daylight.
Lawyers shower roses for governor's killer - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

The same goes in india my dear - only on a much larger scale - where the temples for the murderer of Gandhi are being built.

So stop playing holier than thou here,

As I said the justice system in both countries is a joke. And india has same, if not bigger, problem with her hindu version of Talibans (some of which have unfortunately even made to the highest posts in the govt now).

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

The same goes in india my dear - only on a much larger scale - where the temples for the murderer of Gandhi are being built.

So stop playing holier than thou here,

As I said the justice system in both countries is a joke. And india has same, if not bigger, problem with her hindu version of Talibans (some of which have unfortunately even made to the highest posts in the govt now).

Well... in your face now... Indian Court Nipped the idea in its bud... but you chose to ignore that.
Yes I am going to play holier than though... because we don't have global terrorists being captured and killed in our backyard.