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Why I wear a Burqa: Burqa gives protection and respect

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Yes thats what I wanted to say. We live in a society and we have social responsibilities. If women are aware of their dignified roles in the society, then they must act for the sake of social good. If they drop thinking of seducing men by wearing vulgar dresses, men are bound to respect them. The report reflects such an incident, where even those men who had earlier attempted to rape a girl, was later significantly changed and began to respect her. That incident legitimizes the cause of burqa.

Wow!!!, this is one of obsered comments I have ever read. Women have the social responibility but men dont. Why women needs to be punished? For social good why can't men improve thier character? If men look at women the wrong way, it's women's fault? Women should have choice if they want to wear them or not but saying that not wearing bourqa will or can get rapped is obsered.

Just as we cannot go to school without wearing a particular uniform, we cannot come out in public without wearing a decent and civic attire. I opened the thread in this context.

Define Decent clothing. Almost every member might have different view on that. People in the west will have different take on that compare to yours.

PS: You are not a communist are you?
 
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And Indian members, please leave your Chankya diplomacy aside.

Why does communist always bring in the chanakya factor??..his ideology is like 2300 years old. why should his mauryan strategies and diplomacy work in a 21st century world in a democratic country?

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He thinks it's still funny and suppose to make us laugh.;)
 
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Define Decent clothing. Almost every member might have different view on that. People in the west will have different take on that compare to yours.

If in any particular society be it Hindu or Jewish a woman is respected wearing a bikini, then its decent in that society. Every society has its own perception. In Iran wearing burqa generates respect among men, then burqa is the decent attire.

Rapists can never rape whom they respect.
 
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The Give and Take rules suggest that give something to get something.
If you need respect you need to earn it. In Islam, covering your body (both male and female) can earn you some respect. If some one wants to cover her self for the sake of protection than whats wrong with it? As far as the society is concerned, well, people learn from each other. just one thing:
"If you are traveling on a car and suddenly the road ends you should stop your car to escape from disaster rather than blaming the road and ending up dead."

I can understand your concept on adjusting to the what present situation requires and for sake of your well being, start wearing burqua. But is it a social justice? Why social justice can be applied to men? Why women should be forced to do something rather fixing the men mentality?
 
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Every society has its own perception. In Iran wearing burqa generates respect among men, then burqa is the decent attire.
Rapists can never rape whom they respect.

Rapist have respect for women? Mate if you have respect for women in general, you wouldn't rape a women even if she was in bikini.
 
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Rapist have respect for women? Mate if you have respect for women in general, you wouldn't rape a women even if she was in bikini.

First of all, I can never respect an unknown woman who is unnecessarily wearing a bikini in front of me. If she wears that in a swimming contest, I will consider of course. Now please do not think that just because I cannot respect, I may try to make a rape attempt. Yes I will hate her.

A rapist cannot rape a woman whom the rapist respects. Now respect is something that one needs to earn from others. In most rape cases, the rapist gets victimized by lust with the absence of respect.

Please get the definition of lust.
 
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First of all, I can never respect an unknown woman who is unnecessarily wearing a bikini in front of me. If she wears that in a swimming contest, I will consider of course. Now please do not think that just because I cannot respect, I may try to make a rape attempt. Yes I will hate her.

Point is not that bikini wearing women should be respected or not. Point is forcing burqua on women, when they dont want to wear. If they want to, there is absolutly nothing wrong with that because it's thier choice. I was useing bikini as an example and was not suggesting that wearing bikini in public will get you respect.

A rapist cannot rape a woman whom the rapist respects. Now respect is something that one needs to earn from others. In most rape cases, the rapist gets victimized by lust with the absence of respect.

Lust is a feeling within each human, it's up to each human to control themselves. Arguing that a perticular women was not wearing burqua and she got raped and it's women's fault? Instead of controling your own feelings and emotions, force women to do something even if they dont want to.
 
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A rapist cannot rape a woman whom the rapist respects. Now respect is something that one needs to earn from others. In most rape cases, the rapist gets victimized by lust with the absence of respect.
Please get the definition of lust.

Do you mean to say that you can rape any woman who does not "earn your respect" ? I think that's wrong!

I grew up in India, where woman dress conservatively. I have been to beaches of southern Europe (they are inevitably topless) and now live in the US where women dress in mini-skirts in summer. None of this has caused me to treat any woman as anything other than equal. I still have some of my eastern outlook within me, so I look down when I see something that I find odd. I also have Pakistani friends here, who do the same -- treat women as equals irrespective of dress.

I think anyone who proceeds to rape a woman because of her dress is socially maladjusted. Incidences of rape in Europe in general are comparable or lower than what it is in places where people wear burkha and blaming the dress just gives another excuse for the rapists who would have raped the woman anyway.
 
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Point is not that bikini wearing women should be respected or not. Point is forcing burqua on women, when they dont want to wear. If they want to, there is absolutly nothing wrong with that because it's thier choice. I was useing bikini as an example and was not suggesting that wearing bikini in public will get you respect.

Lust is a feeling within each human, it's up to each human to control themselves. Arguing that a perticular women was not wearing burqua and she got raped and it's women's fault? Instead of controling your own feelings and emotions, force women to do something even if they dont want to.

I repeatedly argued, no body can force anybody. It is up to women whether they want to copy bollywood heroines and get disrespected, or they want respect by wearing decent attire which is not necessarily a burqa, but something that generates respect among men in that particular society. We cannot force our sisters, but we can convince them and make them understand as human beings they can earn respect from men.

The report shows a particular society and its psyche. Its an exemplary instance.

The point is about wearing a decent attire and an unnecessary seductive dressing up. A woman cannot demand respect while trying to seduce.
 
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WOW!

So these decent religious men will rape someone helpless in a prison if they are not wearing a burka, and not rape someone because they are? so burka has some magic properties now? like the magical chastity belt?

and what abt men, there are surely gay men who'd rape a man too, why not ask men to wear burka so that they earn the respect of those gay rapists?

i can not respect someone who respects ppl based on their clothes, so all such people must wear a burka to earn my respect :) what BS!
 
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Do you mean to say that you can rape any woman who does not "earn your respect" ? I think that's wrong!

I grew up in India, where woman dress conservatively. I have been to beaches of southern Europe (they are inevitably topless) and now live in the US where women dress in mini-skirts in summer. None of this has caused me to treat any woman as anything other than equal. I still have some of my eastern outlook within me, so I look down when I see something that I find odd. I also have Pakistani friends here, who do the same -- treat women as equals irrespective of dress.

I think anyone who proceeds to rape a woman because of her dress is socially maladjusted. Incidences of rape in Europe in general are comparable or lower than what it is in places where people wear burkha and blaming the dress just gives another excuse for the rapists who would have raped the woman anyway.

Please read my previous posts, you will get the answer.

Equality does not stand with respect in a parallel way.

East is not west. East is East. West is West.
 
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Please read my previous posts, you will get the answer.

Equality does not stand with respect in a parallel way.

East is not west. East is East. West is West.

Equality means treating everyone with the same respect that you treat yourselves to. Equality means women have the same rights as men. It means they have a right not to have sex forced upon them.

The only thing I could read in your posts was a definition of equality that was used to justify segregation in the US - "Separate but equal". Soviet Union was condemning that sort of a "equality" even in the 40's.
 
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i'll take it step by step.

First, that model wearing burkha in a prison attributed to a Muslim country shows that if you don't wear burkha you would be raped, if you wore it you would be spared. Well this is one side of looking at the picture, imagine if she and the prison happened to be a non-Muslim country?

Most here have tried to prove as if the Muslim countries are the only entities where rape prevails and women are molested at will, forgetting where the main blunt of this menace lies (i don't want to quote statics in this thread)

Looking at the brighter side, one can say that she saved herself from being impinged in a prison and the credit goes to burkha. So we should also not forget this.

Apart from being in a Muslim prison and getting saved due to that piece of clothing, burkha or any other dress that covers a women according to Islamic values keep you safe from many things including the piercing eyes of lusty men.

Every country have its own values, for some roaming butt naked in bikini is OK, but for some this might lead to an unwanted response (imagine a blond in bikini roaming open in countries like Pakistan, india, Nepal , Afghanistan etc etc-she would be taken to task by passersby in due time)

Somebody said here that wearing normal dresses is all about it, my question to him, who is going to decide the standard of that 'normal dress'?

For a western having shin naked skirts might be normal working dress, a skin tight jeans with sleeveless T which shows the undergarment might be a normal hanging out dress and bikini might land as a normal bathing suit, but in india these kind of dresses might not be termed as normal dresses by mots indians and in Pakistan none qualify to be even a dress.

So dressing is someones on baby, but common sense has to play its role here, a burkha clad women might raise the security level at an airport in a Western country, similarly a chick in shots might ask for a harsh response in countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran, and to be more specific a shot with belly naked T wearer might find herself at the mercy of some AH in countries like Pakistan-white skin attracts most here in the Sub-Continent you know.

So one has to be careful while he or she dresses up when they find themselves out of their 'safe circle'. A burkha wearer might like to wear simple shalwar kamiz (not the one with high side cuts and shin naked shalwar:)) and a scarf if she happens to go to States, and a western model might like to wear something more sober when she lands in a Muslim country (you might have seen the way the American lady officials dress when talking to their counterparts) .

i call it use of brain.

If someone wants to make it a matter of compulsion he may do so, but the underlaying facts remains that he requires 'help'.

Here's an example, imagine the state of mind of a molvi who has never seen a women's flesh other then her face, when he finds himself sitting or talking to a big busted chick in bikini or may the more 'sober' jeans and T!

There is a high chance that either the guy would go crazy and would stay in a state of shock for atleast a week (if he was a human type molvi) or there is also a rare chance the he jumps on the lady to ravish her (if he is an AH)

Similarly also try to understand the state of mind of a western girl who happens to see a burkha clad women on a beach in summers. i know people (non-Muslims ofcousre, who were friends) arguing that why do Islam stops the women to show their beauty, they thought that it was harsh to do so and they considered it a punishment for the women and said that this will give her an infriority complex and make her lose the freshness of life while she hides inside that black cloth. They too were right because for them it was wrong as they have grown up seeing their mother and sister and friends displaying their 'beauty' and now they find it hard to see one with that display.

On the contrary the kid who have not seen other then a women's hand and face might land up crazy when he sees something 'more'.

So you must have seen the difference in point of views now. Blaming a religion for rape or something alike is not what a sensible do. No religion takes rape and women disgrace as a guud thing.

Anyone wants to wear burkha go wear it, she dont want you cant force it, but yes you as parents would definitely want that she stay in limits. And the limits are very well defined in Islam.

One has to correct his home first and then talk about pointing fingers on others, if i want all to wear burkha, i must keep myself to my home and correct my family rather then taking up a stick to force it on others.

Lastly, burkha or covering oneself whether in prison or out do give you more confidence and protection against the evils of maleness. (Would like to stare at a jeans+T girl or the one in burkha?)

Some might say that the testosterone level is high on this side of the world but whom would you be more attracted to, aroused by and had the dirty stuff in mind-by the chick with belly naked top and shots or the other girl who is covering herself properly (not necessarily in burkha)?
 
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East is not west. East is East. West is West.

Never been to China, I gather ? Or Korea ? The standard attire for woman in summer is a mini-skirt and a tank-top. Would that not be eastern culture ?
 
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