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Why haven't we fenced and armed the Border with Afghanistan yet??

Perhaps expensive
every time we start planning they start cry


Afghan Angry at Pakistan’s Plan for Mines and Fence on Border
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/29/world/asia/29afghan.html



Karzai: Border Fence Won't Stop Terrorists
Karzai: Border Fence Won't Stop Terrorists



Afghanistan blasts border plan
Afghanistan blasts border plan | The Seattle Times



Afghan premier rejects mining, fencing of border with Pakistan
Afghan premier rejects mining, fencing of border with Pakistan - Afghanistan | ReliefWeb
 
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I agree we have to fence the border i know very expansive but what we went through thousands people life we sacrificed and 1000 of millions of rupess wasted in attacks destroying streets buildingd airport military hardware etc considering all loss and ecnomical loss fence is cheap option we have to start the process i know mountains and very hard terrian but when human makes will it is harder than mounatain deeper than seas

Nothing is imposible only will i require
 
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Fencing is not solution as one have to put troops on patrol to monitor it, easy solution is laying heavy mines as per requirement and use Earth Penetrating Radars via UAVs or planes to monitor under ground tunnels, whenever one is find destroy it immediately.

Mined border will need less troops to monitor it as UAVs & UCAVs will be better option to continuously monitor border while heli-borne Army units could take out any major threat. A well equipped F.C will be able to handle border easily

Paise kidhar hai bhai?
Forget about building, the cost of maintaining it will break he back :p
 
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Pak-Afghan Border Trench Almost Complete
Pak-Afghan Border Trench Almost Complete | Daily Capital

Paise kidhar hai bhai?
Forget about building, the cost of maintaining it will break he back :p
pesy ? lolllzzzz are you guys plain stupid ????????
Foreign exchange reserves hit all-time high of $18.714 billion - thenews.com.pk

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Seriously ...
Just on value check the 126 Rafel deal was worth more than 20Bn $

And we are still very far from making non porous borders.
yes a rafale deal which is wet dream yet ? IAF projected a requirement for about 126 aircraft in 2001 ? Requests for Information (RFI) were issued in 2004 ? TODAY IS AUGUST 2015 SHOW ME ANY SINGLE PICTURE OF MMRCA IN IAF ?

and now tell me 3 Augusta 90-b subs deal was ???????:lol:
F-16 deal was ? saab-2000s deal was il-78 tankers deal and dozens of deal was ?

are you kid or troll ? is afghan pak border more longer then indo pak border ? we have fenced indo pakistan since years . a penny worth fence can not be made by a country which has 41bn$ budget last year you hate has no limits . i suggest you to visit Pakistan or at least look some postie side .

here is why its not yet done
Afghan Angry at Pakistan’s Plan for Mines and Fence on Border
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/29/world/asia/29afghan.html



Karzai: Border Fence Won't Stop Terrorists
Karzai: Border Fence Won't Stop Terrorists



Afghanistan blasts border plan
Afghanistan blasts border plan | The Seattle Times



Afghan premier rejects mining, fencing of border with Pakistan
Afghan premier rejects mining, fencing of border with Pakistan - Afghanistan | ReliefWeb
 
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There are definitely a lot of reasons why this border can't be fenced and mined.
 
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500 km's of 10 x 10 foot trench with mines on our side is already dug, along flat tracts of balochistan border, the rest will bemanned along mountainous terrain.

Heres Something of interest.
combination of drones, gsr and manned posts will keep an eye on this border as civil war sees no sign of let up next door.

Pakistan's Home made GSR , Ground surveillance radar
GSR ,Ground surveillance radar is a class of radar sensors that monitor activity surrounding or on critical infrastructure areas such as airports,[1] seaports, military installations, national borders, refineries and other critical industry and the like. Such radars are characterized by their ability to detect movement at ground level of targets such as an individual walking or crawling towards a facility. Such radars typically have ranges of several hundred metres to over 10 kilometers.

Pakistan's Ministry of defense production launched a Research and development project for completely indigenous production of a GSR in collaboration with EME and other departments of NUST.
A total of 39 Million Rs were allocated for R&D. The preliminary/Theoretical work was completed within an year with 20+ PHD students working on the project. The project was so successful that AESA and PESA technologies seemed conceivable within Pakistan's own expertise and resources.
International Microwave journal IEEE received and published dozens of research papers about Radar technology from the students working on this project. See project 274 on NUST website
NESCOM was given the task of further developing the AESA , PESA related research which branched out of this project. 300 Million USD were allocated for Pakistan's own dedicated Electronics R&D labs near Islamabad which had to be a subsidiary of NESCOM.
Unfortunately the labs never materialized in its desired form. Much of the funds dedicated for the lab were diverted to other civilian projects by PPP Prime minister Raja Pervez Ashraf.
A toned down NESCOM Electronics complex was completed in 2012,but was again a victim of financial corruption and could not do any mlre than manufacturing Motherboards for NRTC's Software defined radios.

The research on further development and building of a prototype GSR continued at NUST/EME
The project was started in 2006 and named "national Radar" or NR.

Over the years 3 versions were built and tested and in 2014 the Final prototype NR-V3 was accepted for production by Pakistan's Ministry of Defense production.

The Radar's Exact specifications are still undisclosed,but a learned guess is that the Radar has the capability of detecting Humans at 4Km range and Vehicles at 12Km range with an average accuracy of 96%.
The biggest challenge in any Ground surveillance radar is to identify target among clutter or reflections of trees,buildings and other ground objects. This was probably the biggest research project and many research papers were written by Pakistani PHD students on this subject during the project.
The final Algorithms was very robust and with accuracy of 96% or more.

All the components,including Antenna,transmitters,Receivers,Filters and software were designed,built and tested in Pakistan.
It is yet to be seen when the Radar will enter mass production and deployment on strategically important locations for area surveillance.

Some pictures of the project as below.

Antenna designs and prototypes.
 
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We can fence on our side of the Durand Line, and why would they have any problem with it ?
Problem is Afghans don't recognize Durand line. They claim it was a division imposed upon an ethnicity by force.

On the subject, issues are mostly related to the tribal areas. The southern Pakhtun belt, the British used to call North West Frontier Province because of the strategic importance of the region. The tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, Pakistan declared it as FATA or Federally Administered Tribal Areas. There is a role of India and Congress in that region, I will not go into that for now.

Now NWFP is a strategic name. There is a political party there, ANP, which had been demanding to change the name to Pakhtunistan or Pakhtunkhwa. Certain people inside Pakistan, mostly from Punjab had objected that as it identifies the Pakhtun of Afghanistan too and it may give rise to demands for a separate land/autonomy in future. However, the Pakistani parliament had to give in to the demands. Only with a small change. The word "Khyber" was added to the word "Pakhtunkhwa" to identify the Pakhtun who live in the eastern side of the Khyber pass.

Let's just say, you are going to have a really tough time fencing that border and we are not talking about funding or geography yet.
 
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It would be difficult to convince the people of FATA and northern balochistan. Many do not want any restrictions.
 
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You will fence Durand line ? How do you think Afghans will react ?

you fence on working boundry international border LOC and we let you. its so easy to break this billion dollar fence if shelling will continue cross border but Indian BSF sud be thankful to Pakistan Rangers that they are not damaging their investment.
 
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Just why?? I don't get it.. Most of the terrorists in the region cross from that region into Pakistan and then run back, why haven't we done something about our border with Afghanistan yet?? The mother of all evils??


We have thousands of thousands of troops on our Eastern Borders with India and along Kashmir.. and alot of border infrastructure there .


Why haven't we done something about our Afghan border, which is pretty open and porous and almost ANYONE can cross it bothways, Terrorists,Smuglers,Drug dealers etc. all prefer this border for their illegal activities.


Why don't we fence that border and form military zones there??


Please reply ..


Reasons :

1. Lack of intent.
2. Finances
3. Disputed boundary
4. Inability to control the western boundary - its the 1st time Pak Army has ventured in most areas.
5. Terrain.

In any case why did Pak not fence its border with India ? The reasons are the same.
 
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you fence on working boundry international border LOC and we let you. its so easy to break this billion dollar fence if shelling will continue cross border but Indian BSF sud be thankful to Pakistan Rangers that they are not damaging their investment.

This thread is not about fence between India and Pakistan, it's about fencing the Durand line.
The fence that you are talking about has a huge funding behind it to back it up, something that Pakistan cannot afford. Besides, it is monitored with surveillance systems, cameras, vibration detection and night vision equipments, something which has greatly reduced cross border terrorism. On the event of the fence itself being attacked, why do you think there will not be a response ? Anyways, you should rather stick to the topic.
 
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Problem is Afghans don't recognize Durand line. They claim it was a division imposed upon an ethnicity by force.

On the subject, issues are mostly related to the tribal areas. The southern Pakhtun belt, the British used to call North West Frontier Province because of the strategic importance of the region. The tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, Pakistan declared it as FATA or Federally Administered Tribal Areas. There is a role of India and Congress in that region, I will not go into that for now.

Now NWFP is a strategic name. There is a political party there, ANP, which had been demanding to change the name to Pakhtunistan or Pakhtunkhwa. Certain people inside Pakistan, mostly from Punjab had objected that as it identifies the Pakhtun of Afghanistan too and it may give rise to demands for a separate land/autonomy in future. However, the Pakistani parliament had to give in to the demands. Only with a small change. The word "Khyber" was added to the word "Pakhtunkhwa" to identify the Pakhtun who live in the eastern side of the Khyber pass.

Let's just say, you are going to have a really tough time fencing that border and we are not talking about funding or geography yet.





What is it ?? care to explain ?
 
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