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Why hasn't Pakistan been able to have a sustained GDP growth rate?

I'm not sure if Embraer was going bankrupt but they were struggling big time. And they were angry when Boeing pulled out, now they are seeking partners. I think this oppurtunity won't last long. It will be snagged up quite easily.

PIA, PAC, AirSial, AirBlue could all invest together and ask Embraer to develop an airplane that is a bigger, efficient regional jet to take on the A220 and make sure that jet has more/comparable range to the A220.

Also I expect Embraer to make tons of money with the KC390. It will replace C130 I strongly believe. And as you mentioned they already have other defence product catalog as well. Brazilians also have good munitions programs as well for aircrafts. We could tap into their industrial expertise/know how for project know how as well.

*tangent* We don't even have to acquire Embraer outright just get a stake in it or partner/JV up with them.
Honestly dude PakMil I don't understand why PakMil won't do JVs. The JF17 JV with chinese worked out so well. We should do same with Turks they have some amazing kit on offer.

Also why no one in Pakistan thought about making luxury yachts in Karachi or Balochistan(not the dangerous parts)?

I ask because recently I've seen RV camper van makers pop up and rich ashrafiya of Paksitan seem to love them.

They want assurances it will workout quickly, at minimal cost, and and the ToT will be on a silver plate, as we saw with the AQ Khan example. This is why a foreign trained professional in the field who knows other overseas Pakistanis with deep pockets to even consider it.
 
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Of interest is comparison with Bangla. I would suggest the Bangla miracle [massive garment export industry] is premised on the hard working, literate and emancipated females of that country. It is the ordinary Banla girl who has literaly turned the fortune of Bangladesh through her hard work. Notice femalke literacy is far better in Bangladesh. This feeds into a better educated, better fed and better equipped future generation as women are critical in that. Meaning a better educated girl equals a better future popoulation resource that can actually compete in global economy. Not b e cannon fodder for exploding vests, mullah foot soldiers to create choas and burning their own cities because some Danish twat burned the holy Quran.

Pakistan: Overall literacy rate is 57.9% (male=69.5%, women=45.8%)
Bangladesh:Overall literacy rate is 61.6% (male=64.6%, women=58.5%)

Please note that while difference is around 6% between genders in Bangladesh, it is striking 24% in case of Pakistan. Also see that while Pakistani men are some 5% behind Bangladeshi men, the situation become serious with 13% gap for women. In fact, India can also learn few things from its eastern neighbour.
That is a worn excuse. China was mother of nationalized economy that Bhutto was inspired by. It began opening up long after Bhutto was dead and buried. China began to really open up in Gen Zia's time who was alt-right. In that time look what Shanghai became and look where Karachi is.

So, sorry that excuse does not fly ...

No nation can keep 50% of their population (Women) out of the workforce and expect economic miracles, Unless they have fossil fuel to burn
 
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Then its not religion its the attitude of people. Remove religion they will adopt something else.

What are teaching of Islams?

  1. HOnest business dealing.
  2. Honor your commitment
  3. Hard working
  4. Just salaries to the worker
  5. no hoarding
  6. no lying
  7. actual description of goods
  8. Market based economy and prices
  9. All business dealings are to be in writing.
  10. No briberies.
  11. Strict merit system
All these things are missing from our economy. Then how religion is responsible? Infact if we follow the religious teachings in business then we might end up doing much better business.

I can say nothing but pray for Hidayat of such misguided people.

Ok so you are telling me if I am offering prayers then I cannot do research on quantum physics?

Ok if I agree to your logic then why east Europe, Philippine, South American countries are struggling economically ? They also do not follow religion like the economically developed countries.

All those places you mentioned are highly religious regions, The Philippines specifically is one of the strongest Roman Catholic nations in the World

The issue is not personal faith, The issue is non separation of organized religion and state, When the state prioritize religion over nation building

There is a direct correlation between how overtly religious a society is with poverty and corruption

Also this has nothing to do with any specific organized religion


 
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Yes, if Chinese companies move to Pakistan and start exporting from here, Pakistan can grow a lot like Vietnam.

I think not possible,
UAE, Malaysia becomes export hub due to cheap electricity and low taxation,

You can see top electronics product like Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, there is written "Made in Malaysia", instead of "Japan", Japan, Korea manufacturing and exporting these products due to "Low cost of Transportation", "Cheap Electricity", they also focus on regions,
Japan installed Toyota, Honda and etc plant in Pakistan, but due to expensive electricity, heavy taxation, None is exported to other countries..

Why Chinese will move to Pakistan ? Too much Expensive electricity in Pakistan than China, Heavy Taxation, High Cost of Labor than other countries..

Main Problem of Pakistan is Pakistan can only export ugly Mullah, Only America & Saudi are countries in whole world who needs these mullah, but now a days they love Arab Mullah than Pakistanis Mullah..

Pakistan only progress if it become non religious or secular, And there is need to ban religious schools/madarsahs and there is need to create more technical schools, college, universities.. Pakistan is only creating Mullahs instead of Doctors, Engineers..
 
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I think not possible,
UAE, Malaysia becomes export hub due to cheap electricity and low taxation,

You can see top electronics product like Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, there is written "Made in Malaysia", instead of "Japan", Japan, Korea manufacturing and exporting these products due to "Low cost of Transportation", "Cheap Electricity", they also focus on regions,
Japan installed Toyota, Honda and etc plant in Pakistan, but due to expensive electricity, heavy taxation, None is exported to other countries..

Why Chinese will move to Pakistan ? Too much Expensive electricity in Pakistan than China, Heavy Taxation, High Cost of Labor than other countries..

Main Problem of Pakistan is Pakistan can only export ugly Mullah, Only America & Saudi are countries in whole world who needs these mullah, but now a days they love Arab Mullah than Pakistanis Mullah..

Pakistan only progress if it become non religious or secular, And there is need to ban religious schools/madarsahs and there is need to create more technical schools, college, universities.. Pakistan is only creating Mullahs instead of Doctors, Engineers..

Madrasah in Indonesia also learn science and others, I think similar with your madrasah, but maybe in Pakistan madrasah has much more focus on remembering Quran than trying to interpret Quran verses and learn sciences.

This is one of the best madrasah in Indonesia where the alumni has high percentage to enter state university in Indonesia. Indonesia best university are all state universities.

 
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Madrasah in Indonesia also learn science and others, I think similar with your madrasah, but maybe in Pakistan madrasah has much more focus on remembering Quran than trying to interpret Quran verses and learn sciences.

This is one of the best madrasah in Indonesia where the alumni has high percentage to enter state university in Indonesia. Indonesia best university are all state universities.


I learnt only from madarsahs that Shia are Kafir (Infidel), Barelvis (Sunnis) are Mushrik (Grave Worshippers),
I was learning Quran in Wahhabi madarsahs, who call themselves as Debandis,
They were more interesting in teaching about Shia than Quran, i changed 2-3 madarsahs, all were same, same sect, then i decided to not to go to any religious schools/madarsahs..

Those madarsahs do not give any technical education, also they call scientists and jews "Monkeys"..
All madarsahs in Pakistan are also against any education (except religious) to boys and girls,
They think it will make them kafir (infidel), for this they bombed lot of schools especially girls schools..
 
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I learnt only from madarsahs that Shia are Kafir (Infidel), Barelvis (Sunnis) are Mushrik (Grave Worshippers),
I was learning Quran in Wahhabi madarsahs, who call themselves as Debandis,
They were more interesting in teaching about Shia than Quran, i changed 2-3 madarsahs, all were same, same sect, then i decided to not to go to any religious schools/madarsahs..

Does Modernist Islam is strong in Pakistan ? Or 90 % of Ulama there comes from traditional Islam ?

Actually Wahabi or non Wahabi is not the issue, but the approach that should be look


Islamic Modernism is a movement that has been described as "the first Muslim ideological response to the Western cultural challenge"[Note 1] attempting to reconcile the Islamic faith with modern values such as democracy, civil rights, rationality, equality, and progress.[2] It featured a "critical reexamination of the classical conceptions and methods of jurisprudence" and a new approach to Islamic theology and Quranic exegesis (Tafsir).[1]

It was the first of several Islamic movements – including Islamic secularism, Islamism, and Salafism – that emerged in the middle of the 19th century in reaction to the rapid changes of the time, especially the perceived onslaught of Western civilization and colonialism on the Muslim world.[2] Founders include Muhammad Abduh, a Sheikh of Al-Azhar University for a brief period before his death in 1905, Jamal ad-Din al-Afghani, and Muhammad Rashid Rida (d. 1935).

The early Islamic Modernists (al-Afghani and Muhammad Abdu) used the term "salafiyya"[3] to refer to their attempt at renovation of Islamic thought,[4] and this "salafiyya movement" is often known in the West as "Islamic modernism," although it is very different from what is currently called the Salafi movement, which generally signifies "ideologies such as Wahhabism".[Note 2] Since its inception, Islamic Modernism has suffered from co-option of its original reformism by both secularist rulers and by "the official ulama" whose "task it is to legitimise" rulers' actions in religious terms.[5]

Islamic Modernism differs from secularism in that it insists on the importance of religious faith in public life, and from Salafism or Islamism in that it embraces contemporary European institutions, social processes, and values.[2] One expression of Islamic Modernism, formulated by Mahathir Mohammed, is that "only when Islam is interpreted so as to be relevant in a world which is different from what it was 1400 years ago, can Islam be regarded as a religion for all ages."[6]


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We have similar movement in Indonesia


Muhammadiyah (Arabic: محمدية‎, followers of Muhammad; full name: Persyarikatan Muhammadiyah) is a major Islamic non-governmental organization in Indonesia.[1] The organization was founded in 1912 by Ahmad Dahlan in the city of Yogyakarta as a reformist socioreligious movement, advocating ijtihad - individual interpretation of Qur'an and sunnah, as opposed to taqlid - the acceptance of the traditional interpretations propounded by the ulama.[2] Since its establishment, Muhammadiyah has adopted a reformist platform mixing religious and secular education,[3] primarily as a way to promote the upward mobility of Muslims toward a 'modern' community and to purify Indonesian Islam of local syncretic practices.[3] It continues to support local culture and promote religious tolerance in Indonesia, while a few of its higher education institutions are attended mostly by non-Muslims, especially in East Nusa Tenggara and Papua provinces. The group also runs a large chain of charity hospitals,[1] and operated 128 universities as of the late 1990s.[4]

In 2008, Muhammadiyah was considered the second largest Islamic organization in Indonesia with 29 million members.[2] Although Muhammadiyah leaders and members are often actively involved in shaping the politics in Indonesia, Muhammadiyah is not a political party. It has devoted itself to social and educational activities.

 
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So Sindhis and Baloch people prefer Zoroastrianism? I didn't know. @padamchen would be happy.

- PRTP GWD

Make a thread. Start a discussion. Why so afraid?

Also do make a thread about that Kashmiri Syed BJP who said today that Muslim faith and Muslims are safer in India than Pakistan.
 
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So Sindhis and Baloch people prefer Zoroastrianism? I didn't know. @padamchen would be happy.

- PRTP GWD

I don't know about the Baloch (they are a bit thin on the ground here) but some Sindhi chicks look very like Parsis. I've often mistaken them for bawi chicks when I was still a field operative calling them chicks.

Cheers, Doc
 
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