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Why Evengelicals hate Muslims: an Evengelical minister's perspective/Pastor Bob Roberts JR.

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The same Shia so called Alims call every Sunni a bast@rd, and curse the Sahabah and worse of it Wives of Prophet, your Alim has the same value and credibility in Islam as a Blind person driving a car.
Plenty of Shia "scholars" including Ayatuallah's have behind the curtains endorsed such people.



Conflict is a human thing, it can happen between people without one losing respect for the other, Omar Khattab RA have often argued with Rasool Allah but his intensions were never wrong neither he was hostile, and I would like to see a Neutral sources of your claims of the so called conflict. Same Hazrat Ayesha RA was first in line to march towards Kufa to Ask for justice for Uthman RA murder, Only if Ali RA agreed to punish those there would never be any conflict, But Allah has his plans.



Imamat itself is a bedat in Islam, there is no concept of Imamat in Islam let alone the 12 designated, no Imam is mentioned in Quran/Hadith or any sources except for Fabricated Shia ones, Gadhir khum Hadeeth has been debunked and explained by Sunni scholars but Shia just refused to accept reality, there are no Divinely appointed demi God like Imams, Yes Family of Prophet has their own position in the hearts and minds of Muslims but turning them into a God like personalities and exaggerating their role/status/history/titles and associating fake stories and miracles on their name is wrong. Saba was an instigator and when in the times of Ali RA he did try all that and Ali RA put a stop to his actions but unfortunately the people he brainwashed carry his torch to divide and destroy Islam, I'd say he succeeded in his mission.
When there are no Imams there is no shia Religion from the imams to begin with, Show me from the Quran 1, just 1 verse where Allah talked directly about the Imamat of Ali RA, or where Allah mentioned Ali RA by name to confirm his wilayat? because according to Kafi and other top Shia books whoever denies the Willayat of Ali RA is a kaffir so Allah left such important thing out of Quran? neither Prophet bothered to tell his ummah about the divinely appointment of Ali RA? you guys need to wake up from this delusional that Ali RA was some demi God, or he can hear the prayers , grant wishes or send someone in heaven or hell, no one has any authority on these matters except Allah. I've heard things regarding Ali RA from the top scholars which Astaghfirullah were way ahead of Shirk.



Whatever he did was kuffr or not, I'd let Allah be the judge but problem is what he went out to do he pretty much succeeded in it.



Why you need history about Wahabism ? who cares about Wahabi or Salafi etc? I care about Islam, I care about Rasool Allah and his companions and my problem is with anyone and everyone who in their majalis curse the Sahabah, Mother of Believers and still consider themselves " Muslims ".
There is a reason that you are called Sunni and i am a Shia. Better to Focus on mutual matters rather than insisting on differences.

Just one thing, i have never been taught to insult and or refute Sunnis, there i have no doubt, is where extremism begins. One thing more, Quran is a Multi Layer source and you cannot find every Single thing in its Appearance.
 
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The evangelicals were recruited by Reagan for the Reagan movement. Previously being tools for Nixons electorate. trump did the same with libertarians, in making the racists in the libertarian movement part of the political machines, instead of disillusioned with politics. The Dispensationalist Christian Zionists believed that the end is near since Isreal exists... that triggers WWIII, when Russia and China are going to side with Muslims and attack the zionist regime. So in this religion, Christian zionists are stuck in warmongering, that wars against any Muslim nation is a moral "good" and no matter how many Muslims die, "Jesus love me and approves of genocide". The religion of turn the other cheek, instead usa is "gawd's country" and Muslim nations are the land of bad evil-doers (as Bush vomited out about Iraq and Iran).

The "evangelicals" are a part of the American society and majority whites fall into this category religiously. The first basis of the US society were based on Religion, the people who came to the US, were always religious and were very practicing protestants. There is nothing wrong with it. Evangelicals believe in business and making money, however that's possible (wars, reconstruction, etc, etc) and majority of the wars in the current times were started by them.
 
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There is a reason that you are called Sunni and i am a Shia. Better to Focus on mutual matters rather than insisting on differences.

There are no mutual matters or respect when wives of Prophet were abused openly in Majalis, Yeah there was a time I was supporter of Shia Sunni brotherhood but upon deep research on the sect itself, I realize there is no way peace can happen between the two, except for temporary and show-off brotherly drama, because the ideology itself is rotten...

Just one thing, i have never been taught to insult and or refute Sunnis, there i have no doubt, is where extremism begins. One thing more, Quran is a Multi Layer source and you cannot find every Single thing in its Appearance.

You may not insult but the theology you follow does, because the Fundamental of Shiaism is that Ali RA was robbed of his right to rule as Imam or Wali by Abu Bakr RA and followed by Umar and Uthman RA to both, and for as long as they (Shia) believe that they will keep their hate against the three Caliphs, and their hate against Ummhatul mumeenin is on another level, specially with Ayesha RA because she pick up arms against your first " Imam " Ali RA, last but not the least cursing of Muwaviya RA and other Sahabah's in worse way possible, for me any religion or sect that allow me to use disgusting language against someone who is not there to defend their position or honor can not be from Allah. Sunni's despite their differences has no such hate against any Sahbah or Ahle byte.

As for Quran, Quran has mentioned all 6 Articles of Faith directly, Quran also mentioned about Jinns. Of course Quran does not mentioned everything but when it comes to those thing which makes the differences between a believer and disbeliever are clearly mentioned. Its hard to believe that Allah will miss a major article of faith that literally deemed me a kaffir and literally throw my hearafter under the bus, Allah has also mentioned every Pillar of Islam specifically in Islam.

Articles of Faith :
1) Believe in one God
2) Believe in Prophets
3) Believe in Books
4) Believe in Angles
5) Believe in Day of Judgement
6) Believe in Divine Decree

Pillars of Islam :
1) Tawheed/Shahada
2) Salah
3) Fasting
4) Zakat
5) Hajj
 
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And in Islam,radicalism has been on the rise the last 30 years,so much that it's a problem to the entire world.


So which people used , trained and financed the laymen Abduls in the streets ,who volunteered for the arrangements on ground and against whom? The same lot which was distributing certificates to paradise for taking part in the crusades. My question is why such a religious war idea never occurred to the original eatern establishment of Christianity, the Constantinople sitting right next to the muslim empire ?


I don't feel that the Christians are calling the shots in their lands or the jews or even the muslims for that matter. It's always a close knit cult of sorts that has hijacked us and is making deals for "shaping " artificial geo political realities .
 
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You may not insult but the theology you follow does, because the Fundamental of Shiaism is that Ali RA was robbed of his right to rule as Imam or Wali by Abu Bakr RA and followed by Umar and Uthman RA to both, and for as long as they (Shia) believe that they will keep their hate against the three Caliphs, and their hate against Ummhatul mumeenin is on another level, specially with Ayesha RA because she pick up arms against your first " Imam " Ali RA,


None of that matters if someone's believe in Toheed!!! Accepting whomever's righteous status in history except the Prophets shouldn't be my concern as its not considered any pillar of islam. I myself gonna pray behind a nasibi for the sake of unity


specially with Ayesha RA because she pick up arms against


Her status as the mother of believers remains uncontested and if you find anyone slandering her its between him and His Lord and the govt should penalise him for that. But narrating history remaining well within the bounds of Quran o Sunnah for the sake of explaining where and what went wrong coundnt be denied if the intention is serving Toheed and not indulging in personality worshipping while disconnecting him from The ultimate Universal Truth


least cursing of Muwaviya RA


In the light of Quran and Sunnah Imam/Caliph Ali was a rightly guided ruler so any governor dare not to rebel under whatever pretext/excuse against a man literally forced to lead the ummah. What does the Quran and plenty of Sayings of The Prophet Saww tells us about obeying those in authority when they enjoin good and forbid evil and what if they don't? Should we initiate mutiny on every issue?


The Quranic verses won't change even if the roles gets REVERSED. Yeah but the concocted parameters of Adab and sanctity may bar many from following What Allah Swt commanded -------.
 
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@Muhammed45 you know how this associating divinity to humans and playing hunky dowry at their short comings against the very written word of The Lord has caused the muslim nation to voilate the Abrahamic COVENANT?


During the decisive moments of the battle against the rebel governor of syria Imam Ali was imploring his forces to CHARGE but they WON'T cause the renegades had Quran tied/placed on their spears . And people just weren't ready to deliver the final blow as many of them considered it to be a blasphemy to attack "Quran" .

Imam Ali kept on convincing the retreating columns that The word of Allah swt is in the hearts go fight them -------


THATS SUPERSTITION RIGHT THERE AND THE SANCTITY OF THE QURAN WAS USED TO DISOBEY THE SCRIPTURE AND WHAT IT STOOD FOR .
 
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None of that matters if someone's believe in Toheed!!! Accepting whomever's righteous status in history except the Prophets shouldn't be my concern as its not considered any pillar of islam. I myself gonna pray behind a nasibi for the sake of unity

Wrong, believing in taweed is not enough, because there are munafiq's in the rows of Muslims, believing in One god is not enough for Sunni's, for Shia maybe... You did not read my posts, denying the Wilayat of Ali RA will deemed you a Kaffir according to top Shia books, Ali RA imamat is not established by Allah nor by Rasool Allah nor by Ali RA himself as he never proclaimed himself a Imam let alone divinely appointed. As for unity, Sunni's have made this unity mistake with Shia only to be stabbed in the back every time. You can not be friend/brother with someone who curse your mother now can you? Ask Shia to stop cursing the mothers of believers, Sahabah and drop all sort of Bidat from their cult and we will have a start of lenghty dialog between the two sects, but even doing that will be of no use because a Shia can/will lie his/her way because Taqqiyya is one of main pillars of Shiaism which literally means you can be dishonest and lie about your faith when odds are against you, but time and time again we have seen Shia scholars with their Taqqiyya mode off, You can never tell when a Shia is telling the truth or lying.

Her status as the mother of believers remains uncontested and if you find anyone slandering her its between him and His Lord and the govt should penalise him for that. But narrating history remaining well within the bounds of Quran o Sunnah for the sake of explaining where and what went wrong coundnt be denied if the intention is serving Toheed and not indulging in personality worshipping while disconnecting him from The ultimate Universal Truth

In Pakistan, Shia do it in their private Majalis, in Tehran they do it as well supported by their Ayatuallah's, I can show you videos of their scholars who are well connected using disgusting language against her, and yet the congregation is doing Wah Wah Nara-e-Haidary etc there can be no peace with such people, neither will Rasool Allah would allowed it. Quran and Sunnah is very clear about the fundamentals, you are just trying to make it look vague to prove your Imamat which has no bases in either Quran nor the Hadeeth, we don't really care about small things but those small things literally means a lot, You can not call a non Prophet a Prophet, similar you can not call a Prophet, non Prophet... If I accept Mirza Qadiyan as Prophet that kicks me out of Islam, similar to that if I disbelieve in any of the rightful prophet I will be kicked out, With Shia is the Imammat and actually for 12vers Imams are greater than Prophets, Ask any Shia who is greater Ali RA or Mosa, Esa, Ibrahim or other prophets, they will say their " Imams " are greater than these messengers of Allah, which in itself is a statement of disbelief.

In the light of Quran and Sunnah Imam/Caliph Ali was a rightly guided ruler so any governor dare not to rebel under whatever pretext/excuse against a man literally forced to lead the ummah. What does the Quran and plenty of Sayings of The Prophet Saww tells us about obeying those in authority when the enjoin good and forbid evil and what if they don't? Should we initiate mutiny on every issue?


The Quranic verses won't change even if the roles gets REVERSED. Yeah but the concocted parameters of Adab and sanctity may bar many from following What Allah Swt commanded -------.

You see the highlighted part, despite you have no evidence of Ali been Imam you are calling him that, not that I have issue with calling him an Imam but the pretext of calling Ali An Imam shows the Shia ideological difference, I understand Pakistani Sunni Mullah use Imam Hussain RA or Hasan to get support from Shia lobbies but if you are calling them Imams, why not accept them as infallible Imams then and become a Shia? In the light of Quran there is no Ali in Quran, Ali is/was/will remain a companion and son in Law of Rasool Allah, he holds a very important place but turning him into something he is not is wrong, and saying its from Quran and Sunnah is actually a ballant lie against the two most primary sources of Islam. You wanna lie against Quran be my guest, but stop calling yourself Muslim then.

As for the challenging the authority of the Caliph is yes wrong according to Quran, but also its wrong to not provide Justice to a innocent man who was murdered unjustly (uthman RA) we can easily turn it on Ali RA, but we know he has his valid reason not to go against the killers of Uthman RA, he wanted time and the decision of Zubair, Talha , Ayesha and Muawiyya RA to all was hasty and emotional, and yet even when two parties camp outside they did not initial the fight, because the dialog was successful and Hazrat Ali RA agreed to take revenge of Uthman RA, and we all know who saw this as a danger and later who or which people attack both sides in the middle of night to start the fight, Funny thing is Ali RA fought against his own fellow Muslims, he fought against his own mother and won, and yet not a single word of slander from him against Ayesha RA, but we hear from the people who claim to follow Ali, isn't that a joke ? Shiaism unfortunately has no credibility nor credential no historical no Quranic, or hadeeth evidence instead they have fabricated beliefs, made up stories and just lies, and unfortunately many falls for it without even studying their own sect, many just sit in Majlis and shout Nara-e-haider while ignoring the Shirk/slander that is happening from mimber.
 
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Everyone hates everyone.
But still, Christians are the best people today under this roof as far as general treatment of humans and animals is concerned.
The contemprary Muslims are just animals, nothing more (and that also includes me).
 
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There are no mutual matters or respect when wives of Prophet were abused openly in Majalis, Yeah there was a time I was supporter of Shia Sunni brotherhood but upon deep research on the sect itself, I realize there is no way peace can happen between the two, except for temporary and show-off brotherly drama, because the ideology itself is rotten...



You may not insult but the theology you follow does, because the Fundamental of Shiaism is that Ali RA was robbed of his right to rule as Imam or Wali by Abu Bakr RA and followed by Umar and Uthman RA to both, and for as long as they (Shia) believe that they will keep their hate against the three Caliphs, and their hate against Ummhatul mumeenin is on another level, specially with Ayesha RA because she pick up arms against your first " Imam " Ali RA, last but not the least cursing of Muwaviya RA and other Sahabah's in worse way possible, for me any religion or sect that allow me to use disgusting language against someone who is not there to defend their position or honor can not be from Allah. Sunni's despite their differences has no such hate against any Sahbah or Ahle byte.

As for Quran, Quran has mentioned all 6 Articles of Faith directly, Quran also mentioned about Jinns. Of course Quran does not mentioned everything but when it comes to those thing which makes the differences between a believer and disbeliever are clearly mentioned. Its hard to believe that Allah will miss a major article of faith that literally deemed me a kaffir and literally throw my hearafter under the bus, Allah has also mentioned every Pillar of Islam specifically in Islam.

Articles of Faith :
1) Believe in one God
2) Believe in Prophets
3) Believe in Books
4) Believe in Angles
5) Believe in Day of Judgement
6) Believe in Divine Decree

Pillars of Islam :
1) Tawheed/Shahada
2) Salah
3) Fasting
4) Zakat
5) Hajj
Living in USA and at the same time asking Muslims to fight among themselves.

Go **** yourself all you want, we need peace among Muslims.
 
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Ali RA imamat is not established by Allah nor by Rasool Allah nor by Ali RA himself as he never proclaimed himself a Imam let alone divinely appointed.

Ok then divinely appointed righteous Caliph ?

Righteous caliphate for 30 years succeeded by a tyrant kingdom?


Truth is with Ali and Ali with The Truth!

O Ali only a believer will love you and a hypocrite will hate you.

"The Messenger of God took a journey to Tabook and he appointed ‘Ali to succeed him in Medina. ‘Ali said to the Prophet: 'Do you leave me with the children and the women?' The Messenger replied: 'Are you not satisfied to be to me like Aaron to Moses except that there shall be no Prophet after me?


Who said the above?



believing in taweed is not enough,

Hey listen mate I can't literally remember the name of every saint hence why its enough for a believer to have faith only in the pillars of Islam and practice accordingly. Alhamdulillah i take my religion directly from the Book of Almighty and refute anything which goes against the scriptures . If even for a second you sideline the Quranic verses about statehood there are plenty of authentic Sayings of The Prophet Saww declaring Ali as a just ruler and those waging war against him as --------.
 
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As for the challenging the authority of the Caliph is yes wrong according to Quran, but also its wrong to not provide Justice to a innocent man who was murdered unjustly (uthman RA) we can easily turn it on Ali RA, but we know he has his valid reason not to go against the killers of Uthman RA,


What is Quran to you brother? What kind of justification is this that its wrong to go against Quran but umm but umm ------ give the aggressors some space? What for ? For shaking the very foundations of an entity meant to enjoin good and forbid evil? We as muslims lost dominion after the ummayd took over



whats left there if The Quranic injunctions were voilated? Go in hot and punish the mischievers to establish the writ of Allah swt on the promised land and that's what Ali did. The man was not only fighting against the renegades but the cabal of his time


Moreover the demand from the governor of syria about first avenge the blood of Caliph Usman and only then he gonna step down was outrageously ridiculous.


You tell me muawiyah rule extended for 20 years after an Agreement with Imam Hassan the 5th righteously guided Caliph of Islam that he will handover Caliphate to muawiyah if he promises not to appoint a successor for the sake of preserving peace among muslims- -------. Did muwaviya in any of his haydays ever touched a single man involved in the siege of Madina?



On one hand he's challenging the authority of a rightly guided and elected Imam/Caliph for not rushing to take revenge and on the other hand asking for something which could only be demanded from the Govt?
 
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this was a good movie I like it

Evangelist dont love Israel or jews they just hate them less than Muslims
 
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Living in USA and at the same time asking Muslims to fight among themselves.

Go **** yourself all you want, we need peace among Muslims.

I moved to US not long ago, I have enough experience with your kind in Pakistan, their slander and insult against my faith is not hidden, there will be no Peace with cult followers cause your scholars are pathetic, people who follow this cult who slander holy figures of Islam are pathetic, and I wish Muslims can see this before Shia once again back stab them. And see who is talking about Peace, sending Kulbhoshan yadev, supporting and funding Terrorists organizations like Zainabiyun , Target killings in Karachi, harboring Uzair Baloch, cross border attacks, threats etc you and your Ayatuallah can take their peace and shove it where sun don't shine.
 
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Ok then divinely appointed righteous Caliph ?

There was nothing divine about his appointment, Caliphate means successor to the previous leader who is selected by the Shura, there is no revelation that comes down to declare Khilafat of Abu Bakr, Umar Uthman or Ali RA to all of them.

Righteous caliphate for 30 years succeeded by a tyrant kingdom?

Sure, 4 Rashidun Caliphs followed by Muawiya RA who ruled for several years in Peace, Hazrat Hasan RA saw something in him that is why he give Oath of Allegiance to Muawiyya RA, and yet Shia use disgusting language against him under the full support of Top Shia religious leadership why?

Truth is with Ali and Ali with The Truth!

Sure, Truth was with Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman as well, they were on haq as well and in status they exceed Ali and every other companion by far, and even Ali RA knows that...
There is a reason they call Abu Bakr RA - Sadiq , Umar Ibn Khattab Al Farooq and Uthman Al Ghani , or they did not teach you that in Shiaism?

O Ali only a believer will love you and a hypocrite will hate you.

Who say anything about hating Ali RA? A gaye auqaat pe ? criticizing Shia cult is not criticizing Ali RA or Ahle Byte so this trick won't work at me :)

"The Messenger of God took a journey to Tabook and he appointed ‘Ali to succeed him in Medina. ‘Ali said to the Prophet: 'Do you leave me with the children and the women?' The Messenger replied: 'Are you not satisfied to be to me like Aaron to Moses except that there shall be no Prophet after me?


Who said the above?

Prophet also leave others in charge, when he was sick he appointed Abu Bakr to lead the Muslims in Prayers, so ? Dishonesty is Shia's blood, Rasool Allah specifically mentioned Mosa and Haroon example, and he mentioned that he is the last prophet, so where did you get the Idea that Ali is the leader after Rasool Allah? Oh wait didn't your scholars told you that Haroon AS died before Mosa Pbuh ? lol your whole argument collapse on itself , try again I'll wait.

Hey listen mate I can't literally remember the name of every saint hence why its enough for a believer to have faith only in the pillars of Islam and practice accordingly. Alhamdulillah i take my religion directly from the Book of Almighty and refute anything which goes against the scriptures . If even for a second you sideline the Quranic verses about statehood there are plenty of authentic Sayings of The Prophet Saww declaring Ali as a just ruler and those waging war against him as --------.

I challenge your top Ayatuallah to give me 1, just 1 verse from the Quran where Ali is mentioned as Wali/Imam or Allah talked about the Imamat of Ali and other 11, and show me one direct/unbroken/authentic narrated hadeeth from Sunni where Rasool Allah took Ali in a crowd and said, Obey me and Obey Ali after me, or anything like, Ali is your leader after me etc? Your cult is based on a lie/fabrication/fake stories, nothing more and there are no evidence and I repeat not a single evidence of Ali Imamat, let alone the other 11 demi Gods like people, now the best you have in Ghadir khum Hadeeth which is authentic, but as I can tell your Zameer naqvi type Chawal mullah didn't tell you the context of the Hadeeth, Prophet ordered Ali to took care of the matters of a yemeni's tribe on after his Hajj, and he heard gossips that some People were not happy with Ali RA and his decision regarding the tribe, so he took Ali's hand and asked people Am I not your maula , then comes hadeeth, whoever I am his maula Ali is his maula... now Please tell me what is Maula means here? Leader? Friends ? god ? companion ? take your best shot :)
 
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