Why Egypt and Syria really lost the October 1973 war

[UKBengali]

Guys I have been reading and watching up on this and believe the main reason that the Jews won the war was that their tanks had a main gun that could fire accurately at longer range.
The best tank that the Arabs had was the T-62 which had a 115mm smoothbore gun that could fire accurately up to 1500m, whereas most Jewish tanks had the 105 mm rifled gun that was able to fire accurately at 2000m.

The "Valley of Tears" was a major illustration of how tank gun range made the decisive difference when 100 Jewish tanks were able to defeat 500 Arab tanks. Simply the Arab tanks got hit before they were in firing range.

If the Russians had supplied the T-64, that had a 125mm smoothbore gun, then the war would have turned out massively different.

What are your thoughts?

 

[zectech]

Shades of today with Putin not giving S-300s to Assad for years, and not giving S-400s to Iran and sanctioning them in the UN.

The Russians have never made it fair to the Arabs, always keeping them weak enough to not be a threat to the zionists.

It was said that 40,000 little jews ran Moscow in the early 1960s, not sure if that changed under Brezhnev.

The goal of the Russians in world politik is to hold the Muslims and stoke them and reassure them that the genocide of Muslims is going to be ok for them, to be consoled by their genociders the Russians and other zionists, as Muslim's ruin is plotted and planned.

The zionists goal is the near entire Middle East as zionist occupied and the rest "Palestinians" in camps.

 

[500]

T-64 war unreliable and in small quantities, thats why it was never exported.

 

[zectech]

If the Russians had supplied the T-64, that had a 125mm smoothbore gun, then the war would have turned out massively different.

Have Assad ask for 200 T-14s for about 1 billion. There is your answer, Putin would never sell something so powerful to Assad. The Arabs are supplied with stuff to kill other arabs, with the hope they do go to war, instigated by the west and the CIA, like the Syrian Civil War. The arms are never for beating the zionist regime.

 

[UKBengali]

T-64 war unreliable and in small quantities, thats why it was never exported.

Why you say this?

T-64 was reserved as a Soviet only tank till the breakup of the Soviet Union and 13,000 were produced on total.

T-64 first came into service in 1964 and so had matured by 1973. If Egypt and Syria even had only 100-200 of these tanks each they would have won the war. The "Valley of Tears" would then have been a Syrian victory.

Arabs did not lack in bravery or fighting skill but were not properly supplied by the Soviet Union.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Here is another thought not sure if you guys would agree but its something to ponder on.

The West will never want the Middle East to be stable, this instability is a cash cow for their exports of military hardware. Nearly half of the US military export goes to Middle-East. Same goes for Russia. There are no ethics, no right or wrong, no concern for humanity, its just all about money.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/12/nearly-half-of-us-arms-exports-go-to-the-middle-east

Its the same reason that in my opinion Kashmir issue will never be solved as Pakistan and India will keep spending Billions every year on weapons. Similarly cases are North & South Koreas, Taiwan and China, Iran and Saudis.

 

[zectech]

If it were just about money, then why...

Nearly all news articles reporting on the delivery of the S-300s to Assad's Syria reported they were delayed for years because of objections by Netanyahu to Russia. Netanyahu pulls Putin's strings.

 

[500]

Why you say this?

T-64 was reserved as a Soviet only tank till the breakup of the Soviet Union and 13,000 were produced on total.

T-64 first came into service in 1964 and so had matured by 1973. If Egypt and Syria even had only 100-200 of these tanks each they would have won the war. The "Valley of Tears" would then have been a Syrian victory.

Arabs did not lack in bravery or fighting skill but were not properly supplied by the Soviet Union.

It was not mature in 1973. Only in 1978 USSR sent T-64 to Western Europe (where the most elite USSR tank units were located).

Have Assad ask for 200 T-14s for about 1 billion. There is your answer, Putin would never sell something so powerful to Assad. The Arabs are supplied with stuff to kill other arabs, with the hope they do go to war, instigated by the west and the CIA, like the Syrian Civil War. The arms are never for beating the zionist regime.

1) Assad does not have any money.
2) T-14 is not ready.
3) It can be easily destroyed by Israeli Spikes.

 

[HAIDER]

In the modern day scenario , what is survivability of weaker side in desert war.

 

[zectech]

Assad had the money for the 1 billion dollar ADS contract, T-14s are ready for mass production, Russia is simply sitting on building them. T-14s responsive armor protective system takes care of most projectiles fired at it.

 

[Ceylal]

If it were just about money, then why...

Nearly all news articles reporting on the delivery of the S-300s to Assad's Syria reported they were delayed for years because of objections by Netanyahu to Russia. Netanyahu pulls Putin's strings.

Arabs don’t have the will to fight, or the desire to die for their country , followed with a poor training...in 73 Egypt fu....caked it up for Syria.They lied to other Arab states to get them into the war..Russians are not to blame, they armed the Arab states with what was available then...Vietnamese used the same arms and defeated the French and the US , 2 superpowers and Arabs coildn’t Last a couple weeks of fighting..
Arabs are not attached to their land like other cultures, they are tribal and tribe takes precedent over state...

 

[HAIDER]

 

[500]

Assad had the money for the 1 billion dollar ADS contract, T-14s are ready for mass production, Russia is simply sitting on building them. T-14s responsive armor protective system takes care of most projectiles fired at it.

Assad never payed a cent for any Russian weapons. On contrary Russia pays him.
T-14 is nor ready you need at least a decade to make such a complex system ready.
No armor can take top attack tandem warhead.

 

[zectech]

“Russia is not planning to sell,” he told reporters in Warsaw, without specifying which systems he was referring to. “Russia already sold them a long time ago. It has signed the contracts and is completing deliveries, in line with the agreed contracts, of equipment that is anti-aircraft technology.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/its-not-just-the-missiles-stupid/

From when Assad first asked for them. Members on the forum assumed they were already paid for, just on hold for delivery. There was no reports Assad canceled the contract. Nor did the Russians,

"I can only say that we won't cancel the contracts," he said. The foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, has been similarly reticent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/31/syria-russian-s-300-missiles

The Russian MoD concluded a contract with Uralvagonzavod (UVZ), Russia’s premier tank maker, for the first batch of 100 T-14 MBTs in September 2016. Originally, the MoD spoke of inducting over 2,300 new T-14 MBTs into service by 2020, a date that was later pushed back to 2025.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/serial-production-of-russias-deadliest-tank-to-begin-in-2020/

200 would be a small order for Assad to receive by the mid-2020s.

 

[Malik Alashter]

on the western side Egyptians done well for the first days then come the orders of Sadat to take the passages in Sinai without the cover of the air defense while the Israelis were well positioned and they have better air support that's what led to the big fail and loss and that's why Arab and some Egyptians believe Sadat is a traitor.

on Eastern side Syrians did good too, but gulan heights played some good advantage for the Israelis plus the way the Syrians directed their offense was bad they throw all their armors one time trying to advance on the wide wide front which is wrong that's not how you manage your armor attack

Another reason Arab regimes were not really wanted to even defeat the Israelis all they wanted is make some political gain by push the Israelis few kilometers hence they bring them to the negotiation table

Arab regimes in general fear the West they don't really want to clash with the US they know they have no chance

Saddam did it and he has gone

Israel is a political power in total not a military one they can use that for internal use in real world without the West they have never exist in the first place
just my two cents