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Why Does Pakistan Accuse Indian Spies of Terrorism?

Canada politicians have said Pakistan is a state sponsor of terror, but never said as such about India. Can you name one country outside Pakistan that says India sponsors terror in Pakistan?

I did not know India was "rich" and could control the narrative. That's a first.
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Indian support for terrorists in Pakistan is pretty much a given, Indians know it, but pretend to be ignorant. Proxy war between the two is well known to the world.
Well I don't agree with you.The OP says that Indians have trained MQM terrorists which is another big lie. Ethnic voilence between MQM and the ANP Pathans goes back to the early 1960's. I have seen enough videos,footages of voilence between the two parties and even politicians of MQM and ANP using dangerous expletives against one another . Well the Baloch problem is a very old one. Balochistan doesn't share any land border with India nor the rebels come form Bombay,Karnataka,Goa. Indians don't come to Balochistan to attack yr gas pipelines nor Indian are involved in Kidnapping,extortion,nor Indians protest on the streets of Quetta chanting anti Pakistani slogans.The number of army checkposts have doubled and so crime,murder. U cannot have smoke without fire
 
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Shouldn't deny, it is well known India funds terrorism in PK, its apart of the "cold war" India is waging against us. But Pakistan is much more experienced and better in this field. We won proxy wars against India in both Nepal and Sri Lanka; we liberated Afghanistan and our Intel agencies have the highest records of success. Just watch us after Operation Zarb e Azb. Currently all of our resources and focus is being spent on eliminating terrorism; our retaliation will be massive.

U liberated Afghanistan that's a joke CIA did it, used you put you to the bin barkurdar its called use and throw Gillette style only thing is you were the halal bakra............. Though must admit willing bakra........ Nepal Srilanka oh not worth answering

They believe that if some one just catches cold they would say its RAW such is the paranoia
 
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Several weeks ago, the Pakistani armed forces accused India’s intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing, or RAW, of fomenting terrorism.

A statement issued by the military’s media wing after a Corps Commanders conference on May 5 minced no words. “The Conference…took serious notice of RAW’s involvement in whipping up terrorism in Pakistan.”

RAW Emotion

Accusing Indian spies of subversive and nefarious activities in Pakistan is an age-old practice. Such charges afford Pakistani officials a means of shielding themselves from blame for their country’s ills. They also convey a reassuring Muslims-cannot-be-responsible-for violence message that plays well among the general population. Yet, these accusations go well beyond terrorism. Pakistanis have constantly conjured up conspiracies that deposit blame for all manner of misfortune — from floods to fraud scandals — on India’s doorstep.

Accusations often obliquely refer to a foreign hand. However, it is relatively unusual for the Pakistani military to make such serious allegations about Indian support for terrorism in Pakistan so publicly, and in such a direct manner. Additionally, the accusation comes amid a flurry of Pakistani allegations against RAW. On April 30, a senior police officer thought to be close to the military held an extraordinary news conference. The officer, Rao Anwar, accused RAW of colluding with members of the MQM, the dominant political party in the Pakistani megacity of Karachi. “RAW has been training MQM workers for carrying out terrorist activities in Karachi,” Anwar announced.

More recently, the home minister of Baluchistan province implicated RAW in a deadly May 29 bus attack in the town of Mastung. “RAW is involved in the incident because India is against the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor,” declared Sarfaraz Bugti, referring to Beijing’s plan to undertake infrastructure projects in western Pakistan as it builds a new trade corridor linking China to the Middle East.

The frequency and directness of these latest allegations are striking, but this should not obscure a fundamental reality: Pakistan’s motivations for leveling these latest accusations are ultimately rooted in factors that go back many months and years.

Rallying Around The Anti-RAW Flag

Consider, for example, one possible explanation for the recent allegations against RAW: the Pakistani military’s wish to deflect attention from negative publicity. Some of this bad publicity was generated in recent weeks by the insinuations of some Pakistanis that the country’s intelligence agency was behind the April 24 killing of Sabeen Mahmud, a human rights activist revered by the country’s elite.

In fact, however, while recent public opinion polls show that the military remains deeply popular, it has actually suffered blows to its image for a number of years. One was the discovery that Osama Bin Laden lived in Pakistan, and near a major military academy. Another was a startlingly blunt Pakistani government report about Bin Laden that was leaked to Al Jazeera in 2013. The report called the military leadership incompetent and irresponsible for failing to prevent the U.S. raid on Bin Laden’s compound, and described this failure as Pakistan’s greatest humiliation since losing a war to India in 1971. Other blows to the military’s reputation include multiple militant attacks on its facilities (including one on its headquarters in Rawalpindi in 2009), and widely circulated video clips of extrajudicial killings. Meanwhile, for a number of years, anti-state Pakistani militants have routinely spouted propaganda accusing the military of apostasy.

Little surprise, then, that the military would now resort to the India bogey, and particularly in a direct and public way. It’s a sure-fire way to generate rally-around-the-military sentiment in a country where even the most liberal commentators ascribe malign motives to India.

An Emboldened and Empowered Military

Another possible reason why the Pakistani military is so boldly accusing RAW of terror is pure bravado: it wants to showcase its strength, and demonstrate that it is fully in control.

To understand just how in control the military is these days, consider the recent bellicose words of Pakistan’s civilian leaders. Defense Minister Khawaja Asif declared that RAW was formed “to wipe Pakistan off the map of the world.” Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan insisted that India wants to destabilize Pakistan and “use any means” to keep it “backward and underdeveloped.” Prime Minister Sharif — who sought improved ties with New Delhi after his election victory in May 2013 and invited his Indian counterpart, Manmohan Singh, to his swearing-in ceremony — warned India that Pakistan will “take all necessary measures to control any anti-Pakistan acts.” The government has seemingly morphed into a mouthpiece for the military and its confrontational-to-the-core India policy.

And yet this latest manifestation of Pakistan’s long-standing civil-military imbalance was actually set in motion nearly a year ago. Last summer, an anti-government protest movement weakened the civilian government and stifled Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s attempts to assert more civilian control over national security and foreign affairs. Consequently, Pakistan’s military was catapulted back into the driver’s seat of India policy.

In effect, despite those aforementioned hits to its image, the military is flying high today, thanks to the aftermath of last summer’s anti-government movement. Not only is it firmly in control of foreign affairs, but it has once again become a key player in efforts to launch peace talks between Kabul and the Afghan Taliban, thanks to a modest (albeit perhaps short-lived) thaw in relations with Kabul and to the decision of Islamabad’s close ally in Beijing to take a leading role in pursuing reconciliation. Additionally, in April, the U.S. State Department approved a $950 million arms sale to Pakistan. This latest case of American largesse comes even though there is no indication whatsoever that the Pakistani security establishment has cracked down on so-called “good militants” — jihadist groups such as the Haqqani Network and Lashkar-e-Taiba that do not target the Pakistani state, but do target Americans. Given all this, it makes perfect sense that the military, emboldened and empowered, would make such a public and dramatic accusation against India.

Just Stating the Facts?

Of course, the Pakistani military — and many if not most Pakistanis — would offer a simpler reason why it is leveling allegations about RAW-sponsored terrorism: The allegations represent the truth, and the truth must be known.

Islamabad points to recent statements made by Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar, who said last month that “terrorists have to be neutralized only through terrorists,” as proof of India’s sponsorship of terrorism in Pakistan. Many Pakistanis also point to inflammatory statements made back in 2014 by Ajit Doval, when the current Indian national security adviser hinted at potential Indian support for anti-state elements in Pakistan. If there is another Mumbai-style attack in India, Doval warned, India “should immediately move to help the secessionists in Baluchistan.”

Parrikar’s vague comments — which sound more like bluster than statements of fact — do not exactly constitute a smoking gun. And Doval’s statements, while provocative, were purely hypothetical. Pakistan may have slightly more success winning over skeptics by highlighting reports in the Indian media. These include a 2013 Hindustan Times story alleging that after the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, India established a Technical Support Division. This was a special unit operating within RAW and charged with carrying out covert operations in Pakistan. “Our main task was to combat the rising trend of state-sponsored terrorism” by Pakistan’s main intelligence agency, the ISI, according to an unnamed former Technical Support Division officer quoted in the article. This unit, however, is no longer active.

Pakistan’s terror accusations against RAW tend to revolve around the contention that India aids, through violence, the separatist insurgency in Baluchistan (Pakistanis will not soon forget that India supported the secession of East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, in 1971). Back in 2009, according to Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir, Pakistan’s foreign secretary told his Indian counterpart that Pakistan could produce “at least three Indian Ajmal Kasabs” involved in terrorism in Baluchistan, and could “easily establish” that India’s consulate in Kandahar, Afghanistan, was “a control room of terrorist activities” managed by violent Baluch separatists. Ajmal Kasab was a Lashkar-e-Taiba militant who participated in the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

Given the enmity between the two countries, and given the legacy of ISI-sponsored hijinks in India, one should not altogether dismiss the possibility of some type of Indian connection to Baluchistan’s insurgency. Still, there is no clear evidence that RAW is currently fomenting terror in Baluchistan or anywhere else in the country. However, Pakistan, undeterred, repeatedly vows to present proof — including, according to Pakistani press reports, to U.S. officials during the visit of Pakistan’s foreign secretary to Washington last week.

Making Accusations to Strengthen Legitimacy

At the end of the day, so far as Pakistan’s military is concerned, it doesn’t matter if its accusations are true or not. What matters is that they are articulated, and that the Pakistani public hears them — because the allegations are ultimately intended to strengthen the military’s legitimacy. This is arguably the chief reason why the army has so publicly and directly hit out at RAW.

After all, by accusing India of carrying out terrorism in Pakistan, Pakistan’s military buttresses its oft-stated contention that India remains a prime, even existential, threat to Pakistan. It is not a difficult argument to make to the Pakistani public, given the facts: India is seven times more populous and four times larger, and with a military twice as big. Additionally, now is a useful time for Pakistan to ramp up its peddling of the India-as-threat narrative, given the presence of a Hindu nationalist government in New Delhi that has been critical of Muslims.

In essence, the Pakistani military invokes the threat of India, and the specter of RAW-sponsored terrorism in Pakistan, to underscore the armed forces’ self-proclaimed role as the nation’s sole protector. In so doing, the armed forces seek to provide more justification for their outsize role in the Pakistani state.
source- Why Does Pakistan Accuse Indian Spies of Terrorism? - War on the Rocks
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In one word...

India says "Pakistan is directing terrorism against India"..Whole world's reaction...Yes,Pakistan should do more to counter home grown terrorism..

Pakistan says "India is directing terrorism against Pakistan"..Whole world doesn't utter a world against India,rather states..Pakistan should do more to counter home grown terrorism..

End of story.
 
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Well I don't agree with you.The OP says that Indians have trained MQM terrorists which is another big lie. Ethnic voilence between MQM and the ANP Pathans goes back to the early 1960's. I have seen enough videos,footages of voilence between the two parties and even politicians of MQM and ANP using dangerous expletives against one another . Well the Baloch problem is a very old one. Balochistan doesn't share any land border with India nor the rebels come form Bombay,Karnataka,Goa. Indians don't come to Balochistan to attack yr gas pipelines nor Indian are involved in Kidnapping,extortion,nor Indians protest on the streets of Quetta chanting anti Pakistani slogans.The number of army checkposts have doubled and so crime,murder. U cannot have smoke without fire
Believe what you want. Reality is reality, nothing will change that.

I accept India's funding and I oppose it strongly if Pakistan is really not interfering in India's internal affairs.
Kashmir isn't India's internal affair, so I don't know how Pakistan would be doing such a thing.

If India IS supporting proxies then they are not doing it right...I demand my money back.
India IS supporting proxies, that's simply reality. No one in India will admit it, but that is just the nature of things.

Canada politicians have said Pakistan is a state sponsor of terror, but never said as such about India. Can you name one country outside Pakistan that says India sponsors terror in Pakistan?

I did not know India was "rich" and could control the narrative. That's a first.
Nepal, Sri Lanka have both accused India of support rebels and terrorists in their respective countries.

What some politician in Canada says doesn't really matter. You say this comment as if it changes everything, when it really doesn't.

Instead of addressing my point, you've engaged in "what aboutisms". It shows how poor your argument really is.
 
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Nepal, Sri Lanka have both accused India of support rebels and terrorists in their respective countries.

What some politician in Canada says doesn't really matter. You say this comment as if it changes everything, when it really doesn't.

Instead of addressing my point, you've engaged in "what aboutisms". It shows how poor your argument really is.

It does matter what Canadians and the world over say about your country's support of terror groups. It absolutely goes to your credibility, especially when you lay claims of terrorism on India's feet.

Can you direct me to any official statement from Nepal, or Sri Lanka stating the Indian state supports terrorism internally or externally?

Besides my question to you, addressing your point, was- you've claimed India supports terrorism in Pakistan. Could you show any support from any country outside of Pakistan, agreeing with you?
 
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Believe what you want. Reality is reality, nothing will change that.

So what different we are doing !!

Kashmir isn't India's internal affair, so I don't know how Pakistan would be doing such a thing.

LOLZ, In which world did you live

India IS supporting proxies, that's simply reality. No one in India will admit it, but that is just the nature of things.

What nature of thing ? How many Ajmal Kasab do you have ?

Nepal, Sri Lanka have both accused India of support rebels and terrorists in their respective countries.

What some politician in Canada says doesn't really matter. You say this comment as if it changes everything, when it really doesn't.

Instead of addressing my point, you've engaged in "what aboutisms". It shows how poor your argument really is

So why should it matter to us what you are saying. :closed::closed:
 
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I meant that. So if Pakistan is interfering in India's internal affairs then India funding terrorism in Pakistan is not condemnable at all.
So what different we are doing !!



LOLZ, In which world did you live



What nature of thing ? How many Ajmal Kasab do you have ?



So why should it matter to us what you are saying. :closed::closed:
Come back to me when you learn how to use proper logic.
 
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So whats you logic on the topic

Why Does Pakistan Accuse Indian Spies of Terrorism?
I've already explained it. All you're doing is using what aboutisms, which hinders (not helps) your entire side of the argument.
 
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I've already explained it. All you're doing is using what aboutisms, which hinders (not helps) your entire side of the argument.

Nope all you have explained with the logical reasons is

Indian support for terrorists in Pakistan is pretty much a given, Indians know it, but pretend to be ignorant. Proxy war between the two is well known to the world.

The world doesn't even like Hillary, much less believe her. You believe what you want to hear, that's the truth of the matter, yet they know the truth is much different.

You can name all the names you want, doesn't change reality. India IS supporting terrorists, you know it, I know it, the world knows it, even if everyone would like to pretend otherwise. The only reason why India's narrative is stronger than Pakistan's is because India has money. The rich get their message across, the middle class and lower do not.

Believe what you want. Reality is reality, nothing will change that.


Kashmir isn't India's internal affair, so I don't know how Pakistan would be doing such a thing.

India IS supporting proxies, that's simply reality. No one in India will admit it, but that is just the nature of things.

Nepal, Sri Lanka have both accused India of support rebels and terrorists in their respective countries.

What some politician in Canada says doesn't really matter. You say this comment as if it changes everything, when it really doesn't.

Instead of addressing my point, you've engaged in "what aboutisms". It shows how poor your argument really is.

Have you explained it any thing logic, you are just pointing out believe what you believe, i will continue to believe what I believe. What should I make of it -- You giving the logic behind or the its the word from the victim of the state propaganda
 
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If I want logic why would I come back to you ? There are thousands of saner people than you Mr.
Of there are. Unfortunately for you, when it comes to logic and sanity, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. I'm an average guy, so obviously there are smarter and more reliable people out there than myself.

You can believe you know everything all you want, won't change reality.
 
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Nope all you have explained with the logical reasons is
Have you explained it any thing logic, you are just pointing out believe what you believe, i will continue to believe what I believe. What should I make of it -- You giving the logic behind or the its the word from the victim of the state propaganda
My views are based on ground reality and history, yours are not.

State propaganda? I live in Canada. Just stop, you're making no sense and only making yourself look like you know nothing.
 
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