Why does not India possess an indigenous arms industry?

[shuttler]

India is increasingly selling to certain Gulf and African nations.

And as your arms export is ascending so fast in the recent years ranking 5th in 2011, doubling your previous sales each year. why there is no coverage in the media?

Note that when we surpassed UK as the fifth largest arms exporter in 2012, the media coverage is all over the place:

China becomes world's 5th largest arms exporter

PressTV - China overtakes UK as world?s 5th arms exporter

 

[Abingdonboy]

And as your arms export is ascending so fast in the recent years ranking 5th in 2011, doubling your previous sales each year. why there is no coverage in the media?

Note that when we surpassed UK as the fifth largest arms exporter in 2012, the media coverage is all over the place:

China becomes world's 5th largest arms exporter

PressTV - China overtakes UK as world?s 5th arms exporter

I can't say why this is the case, I think that any story involving China+weapons raises more eyebrows in the West than similar news about India.

 

[illusion8]

And as your arms export is ascending so fast in the recent years ranking 5th in 2011, doubling your previous sales each year. why there is no coverage in the media?

Note that when we surpassed UK as the fifth largest arms exporter in 2012, the media coverage is all over the place:

China becomes world's 5th largest arms exporter

PressTV - China overtakes UK as world?s 5th arms exporter

Probably because your biggest client is Pakistan and that raises a lot of eye brows all around the world.

 

[qamar1990]

india will catch up slowly, i mean they already making cars and trucks and stuff so they arent that far, i dont know why they just dont stick to what they can make, its pretty decent stuff why do they import billions dollars worth of stuff.

 

[janon]

And as your arms export is ascending so fast in the recent years ranking 5th in 2011, doubling your previous sales each year. why there is no coverage in the media?

Note that when we surpassed UK as the fifth largest arms exporter in 2012, the media coverage is all over the place:

China becomes world's 5th largest arms exporter

PressTV - China overtakes UK as world?s 5th arms exporter

Those aren't "arms" exports, at least not what is considered "arms". Most of our "defence exports" are low ticket items, components etc. For example, HAL sells Sukhoi-30's components to Malaysia and other operators. Irkut has subcontracted the manufacture of several parts to HAL (including the canards, stabilizers and fins). Besides, HAL also exports spares (and performs maintenance) for all the aircrafts mentioned here:

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited - Exports - Spares & Services

Now these are some of the items that ASSOCHAM considers as "defence related exports", but are not classified as arms transfers by SIPRI. And selling subcomponents does not really make it an arms exporter. That term is reserved for a company or nation that exports complete weapon systems. (Dhruv is one such successful export item for HAL.)

Similarly many companies, public and private, export a lot of subcomponents and subsystems. All these put together amount to 2 billion dollars worth of exports. But most of these are not "arms exports". It would be difficult for Indian industries to export arms, because the needs of the Indian armed forces itself is so huge, that satisfying the orders from them would itself take a lot of time. Akash and Brahmos are two missile systems that are successful enough to be exported to many countries. But our industry cannot even keep up with the demand of our own forces.

 

[shuttler]

I can't say why this is the case, I think that any story involving China+weapons raises more eyebrows in the West than similar news about India.

this reason doesnt seem credible

Probably because your biggest client is Pakistan and that raises a lot of eye brows all around the world.

stop trolling please

Those aren't "arms" exports, at least not what is considered "arms". Most of our "defence exports" are low ticket items, components etc. For example, HAL sells Sukhoi-30's components to Malaysia and other operators. Irkut has subcontracted the manufacture of several parts to HAL (including the canards, stabilizers and fins). Besides, HAL also exports spares (and performs maintenance) for all the aircrafts mentioned here:

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited - Exports - Spares & Services

Now these are some of the items that ASSOCHAM considers as "defence related exports", but are not classified as arms transfers by SIPRI. And selling subcomponents does not really make it an arms exporter. That term is reserved for a company or nation that exports complete weapon systems. (Dhruv is one such successful export item for HAL.)

Similarly many companies, public and private, export a lot of subcomponents and subsystems. All these put together amount to 2 billion dollars worth of exports. But most of these are not "arms exports". It would be difficult for Indian industries to export arms, because the needs of the Indian armed forces itself is so huge, that satisfying the orders from them would itself take a lot of time. Akash and Brahmos are two missile systems that are successful enough to be exported to many countries. But our industry cannot even keep up with the demand of our own forces.

This may be the reason for the difference.
We are probably comparing apples with oranges.
What are shown in other countries' rows are quoted from SIPRI's data which do not include export of components while india report its figures including what you have mentioned above

Yesterday when I wrote my post @#41, india was there in the following link. Now the row was deleted.

List of countries by arms exports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But regardless, a $1.45 or 2 billion annual export of spare parts is impressive especially when the figures (based on the link shown yesterday) are doubling up each year.

 

[illusion8]

this reason doesnt seem credible



stop trolling please

WTH!! A serial troller calling others on trolling

 

[shuttler]

WTH!! A serial troller calling others on trolling

Just chill out kid this thread is not your playground

 

[born]

stop trolling please

you are so funny!!!

 

[ptltejas]

Just for the understand the products of the army (not air force or navy) the following links will be useful that which products are used by the military army generally.

Equipment of the Indian Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

plz urself decides that whether India is able to make small fire arms like revolver, pistols, machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers, small missile launchers as anti air or anti tank;
missiles like the anti tank, anti aircraft guns, CIWS like phlanx 1B CRAM gun, Radars, Vehicles like trucks and other engineering vehicles.
howitzers and tops(guns). etc. etc. plz tick mark which u believe India has power to built.

I think In any weapon of which the some option is available in world defence ministry must purchase it and do not finance properly to the DRDO to complete the project. and in which no option is available we are producing the best.

like Missiles Akash, Shaurya, Prahaar, Agni-1 etc. etc.

 

[IND151]

Those aren't "arms" exports, at least not what is considered "arms". Most of our "defence exports" are low ticket items, components etc. For example, HAL sells Sukhoi-30's components to Malaysia and other operators. Irkut has subcontracted the manufacture of several parts to HAL (including the canards, stabilizers and fins). Besides, HAL also exports spares (and performs maintenance) for all the aircrafts mentioned here:

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited - Exports - Spares & Services

Now these are some of the items that ASSOCHAM considers as "defence related exports", but are not classified as arms transfers by SIPRI. And selling subcomponents does not really make it an arms exporter. That term is reserved for a company or nation that exports complete weapon systems. (Dhruv is one such successful export item for HAL.)

Similarly many companies, public and private, export a lot of subcomponents and subsystems. All these put together amount to 2 billion dollars worth of exports. But most of these are not "arms exports". It would be difficult for Indian industries to export arms, because the needs of the Indian armed forces itself is so huge, that satisfying the orders from them would itself take a lot of time. Akash and Brahmos are two missile systems that are successful enough to be exported to many countries. But our industry cannot even keep up with the demand of our own forces.

a good thing if it is true

 

[janon]

a good thing if it is true

It is true:

HAL to supply components for Sukhoi fighters to Russia - Economic Times

India to supply parts for Malaysian Sukhois - Rediff.com India News

HAL to supply components for Su-30MKM - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums

The Su-30MKI Info Page - Vayu Sena

Su-30MKM. In 2003 Malaysia signed up for the delivery of 18 Su-30MKMs for their air force. The Su-30MKM, also to be manufactured by Irkut Corporation, is described as being identical to the MKI, but lacks the Israeli components, replaced instead by French avionics are included. Irkut has also subcontracted the task of manufacturing the canards, stabalisers and fins to HAL. This contract is valued between 25 to 30 Million USD for HAL. These composite parts will be manufactured at HAL Nasik.

Apart from the manufacture of those parts for Malaysia, HAL has also been contracted as the agency responsible for supply of spares, support and maintenance for the flankers over their lifetime in many countries. Something like an "authorized service center". HAL is also doing that for several of the mig series of aircrafts too, from 21 to 29. The arrangement works well for all parties involved - Russia, India and the third country. It keeps the total life cycle cost low for the aircraft, so that Russia can market its aircrafts better.

 

[IND151]

^^ thanks for info

 

[illusion8]

Just chill out kid this thread is not your playground

I am chilled out - but seems you are cr@pping all over the thread - which you normally do.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

That would depend on which sector you're looking at. The DPSUs, yes their production capacity is horrendous. The private sector players are a different breed all together, in 2 years Bharat forge bought out a whole artillery factory- dissembled it and reassembled it in India- they married their metallurgical expertise to precise engineering and came up with a Howitzer in a short duration. Even small Indian MSMEs are involved in big projects- eg. MKU Utd. which provided the armoring solutions for the vertical launcher housings and super structures of Turkish frigates, TATA is busy producing super bainite for the British armored vehicles.

Its rather fallacious to make such a sweeping statement.

This is what pissess me off the most. We have a great private sector, which is not involved at all because GoI wants the PSUs to have a monopoly, or the kickbacks from foreign clients.

There was news about IA getting Israeli helmets. Why? MKU makes armour for soldiers, and has clients in over 80 foeign countries. Why is the army buying 1980s Tatra trucks when we have Tata and M&M? And why do DRDO and OFB get more preference over artillery, FICV, etc, when privates sector has better offers?