Why does India's Border Security Force Shoot Bangladeshi Civilians?

[masterchief_mirza]

You are trespassing a country or no man's land you will be shot ! Period.

Don't want to get shot ? Don't roam around the fence.

Their is nothing unethical or uncivilised about it,specially in Indo-bangla border which is a terror hub.

Yes, try this policy at the Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland border.

 

[Drizzt]

Lots of confusing posts here, Let me simplify this, so that you can understand clearly.

Why does BSF shoot Bangladeshi civilians. ? main reason is paranoia of upper caste Hindu.
Bangladeshi is muslim, and Decision maker in BSF is mostly a upper caste. He sees Bangladeshi muslim as a statistic, who will change demography of India. So, BJP and Congress will have to struggle and compromise more in elections.

Bangladesh-India border is longer than China-India border, BSF can't man such a long border, full of rivers, streams and thick jungle vegetation. So, the decision makers in BSF(brahman and other upper caste) use terror tactics to prevent border crossing(by Bangladeshi muslims), ie shooting at civilians.

Bangladesh India border is a artificial border which is not backed up by geography. People have being moving across the border for centuries.

 

[magra]

Bangladesh India border is a artificial border which is not backed up by geography. People have being moving across the border for centuries.

You are correct about above. The partition was man-made based on a frivolous logic of religion and not based on geography. We, Indians, had to agree to partition very reluctantly. But whats done is done. Neither India nor BD want to merge again. So, now everyone needs to respect this border, however artificial it may be.
People are free to move across borders through valid check-points with valid papers.

 

[Drizzt]

You are correct about above. The partition was man-made based on a frivolous logic of religion and not based on geography. We, Indians, had to agree to partition very reluctantly. But whats done is done. Neither India nor BD want to merge again. So, now everyone needs to respect this border, however artificial it may be.
People are free to move across borders through valid check-points with valid papers.

Today total muslim population of Pakistan + Bangladesh is 520 million/ 52 crore. Upper caste population in India 150 million.

Are you saying that cunning and farsighted upper caste politicians, Reluctantly agreed to divide the muslim population and remove 520 million potential voters through partition.

Total Muslim population in India 200 million, 200 million Dalits population. So, Total Dalit + Muslim population of undivided India would have been 920 million.

 

[magra]

Today total muslim population of Pakistan + Bangladesh is 520 million/ 52 crore. Upper caste population in India 150 million.

Are you saying that cunning and farsighted upper caste politicians, Reluctantly agreed to divide the muslim population and remove 520 million potential voters through partition.

Total Muslim population in India 200 million, 200 million Dalits population. So, Total Dalit + Muslim population of undivided India would have been 920 million.

You are living in a fantasy world of your own.
Read about Jogendra Nath Mandal. He was a Dalit and Pakistan's first Law minister.
But soon, due to pervasive discrimination by Pakistani bureaucracy, he had to leave Pakistan and return to India.

 

[Baibars_1260]

You are living in a fantasy world of your own.
Read about Jogendra Nath Mandal. He was a Dalit and Pakistan's first Law minister.
But soon, due to pervasive discrimination by Pakistani bureaucracy, he had to leave Pakistan and return to India.

Doesn't tell us much.
Gandhi was about to leave India and live in Pakistan as well but got shot before he could do that

Mahatma Gandhi Wanted to Live in Pakistan After Independence, Claims MJ Akbar’s New Book

As per the author of the book, Mahatma Gandhi's immediate concern after independence was the future of partition's victims, the minorities – the Hindus in Pakistan and the Muslims in India.

www.india.com

 

[lightoftruth]

Yes, try this policy at the Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland border.

We decide our policy and it is in practice on Indo Bangla border.

Go cry us a river.

 

[magra]

Doesn't tell us much.

What it tells is that you could not stomach a Hindu minister and as soon as Jinnah was dead, you made sure that Jogendra Nath's live is made hell and he leaves.

Gandhi was about to leave India and live in Pakistan as well but got shot before he could do that

Mahatma Gandhi Wanted to Live in Pakistan After Independence, Claims MJ Akbar’s New Book

As per the author of the book, Mahatma Gandhi's immediate concern after independence was the future of partition's victims, the minorities – the Hindus in Pakistan and the Muslims in India.

www.india.com

Gandhiji was a saintly figure. He wanted India Pakistan to become friends and to avoid the partition violence. I do not think he wanted to move to Pakistan (show me anywhere he said so). He may have wanted to visit Pak to signal friendship.

 

[Baibars_1260]

What it tells is that you could not stomach a Hindu minister and as soon as Jinnah was dead,

You need to be better informed:

Chakma Raja: A Buddhist King in Pakistan

 

[magra]

You need to be better informed:

Chakma Raja: A Buddhist King in Pakistan

From the link you have provided, I gathered Chakmas were pressed since the making of Pakistan. Chakma king wanted Chakmas to remain neutral in the tussle between W. Pak military and Mujib supporters. Later, he made a wrong punt on Pak military and had to run away to Pak after Pakistan lost. Bhutto wanted him to convert to Islam (indirectly by offering him the constitutional post of President), which he declined.

This story still does not explain why Jogendra Nath had to return to India in 1950 from Pakistan.

 

[Baibars_1260]

"However, Raja Sahib wasn't done yet and he joined the Bhutto Government. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto made him Minister of Minority Affairs and Tourism in his Cabinet. Bhutto also offered the Presidency of Pakistan to Raja Tridev Roy. This was a great opportunity but it came with a rider. According to the new Constitution of Pakistan, only a Muslim could become the President of Pakistan. This wasn't acceptable to the erstwhile Raja Sahib of the Chakmas. So, after giving up the kingship of the Chakmas, Raja Sahib declined the Presidency of Pakistan".

Bhutto wanted him to convert to Islam (indirectly by offering him the constitutional post of President), which he declined.

Bhutto didn't want him to convert.
Where does it say that?

The Constitution of Pakistan is clear on the religious status of the President ( which I disagree with) .
The option of becoming the President with full political support was open, with the mandatory conditions which Raja Tridibh Roy was aware of.
Bhutto was not a religious bigot.
He liked his "chota peg" in the evening.

Let's get back to why the BSF shoots mostly Bangladeshi Muslims . Few if any Chakmas have been shot trying to cross over into India.

 

[Baibars_1260]

You are taking a very simplistic view of the situation. If the killings were due to any bias on the part of BSF soldiers, then I am sure the top brass would have taken note and acted on it.

Could you explain why the BSF shoots mostly Bangladeshi Muslims?
Few if any Chakmas have been shot trying to cross over into India.

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www.wsws.org

 

[magra]

"However, Raja Sahib wasn't done yet and he joined the Bhutto Government. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto made him Minister of Minority Affairs and Tourism in his Cabinet. Bhutto also offered the Presidency of Pakistan to Raja Tridev Roy. This was a great opportunity but it came with a rider. According to the new Constitution of Pakistan, only a Muslim could become the President of Pakistan. This wasn't acceptable to the erstwhile Raja Sahib of the Chakmas. So, after giving up the kingship of the Chakmas, Raja Sahib declined the Presidency of Pakistan".

Bhutto didn't want him to convert.
Where does it say that?

The Constitution of Pakistan is clear on the religious status of the President ( which I disagree with) .
The option of becoming the President with full political support was open, with the mandatory conditions which Raja Tridibh Roy was aware of.
Bhutto was not a religious bigot.
He liked his "chota peg" in the evening.

Let's get back to why the BSF shoots mostly Bangladeshi Muslims . Few if any Chakmas have been shot trying to cross over into India.

I did not say Bhutto was a religious nutcase. But he knew that President of Pak can only be a Muslim, so that offer was a non-offer and probably not in good taste to a non-Muslim.

Coming to shooting at BD border. If BSF is shooting people from afar who are trying to run, then obviously they cant ascertain the religion. If BSF is capturing and killing in an extra-judicial manner, then that needs to stop.

 

[Baibars_1260]

If BSF is capturing and killing in an extra-judicial manner, then that needs to stop.

Read these links:
( Comments awaited ).

| BSF Beat a Bangladeshi Citizen to Death and Raped His WifeOdhikar

At 2.00 am on April 23, 2009, Rabindranath Mondol (45) and his wife Kollani Rani Mondol (38) from the village of Bolabari, of Ashashuni, Shatkhira were arrested by BSF Officers ...

odhikar.org

BSF constable accused of raping Bangladeshi woman suspended

The BSF Saturday said it has suspended a constable facing allegation of raping a Bangladeshi woman last month and formed a court of inquiry, but claimed a propaganda has been launched to "malign its image".

www.business-standard.com

As a Pakistani am not complaining because the BSF doesn't do this to us. Doesn't like "lead poisoning "

 

[magra]

Read these links:
( Comments awaited ).

| BSF Beat a Bangladeshi Citizen to Death and Raped His WifeOdhikar

At 2.00 am on April 23, 2009, Rabindranath Mondol (45) and his wife Kollani Rani Mondol (38) from the village of Bolabari, of Ashashuni, Shatkhira were arrested by BSF Officers ...

odhikar.org

BSF constable accused of raping Bangladeshi woman suspended

The BSF Saturday said it has suspended a constable facing allegation of raping a Bangladeshi woman last month and formed a court of inquiry, but claimed a propaganda has been launched to "malign its image".

www.business-standard.com

As a Pakistani am not complaining because the BSF doesn't do this to us. Doesn't like "lead poisoning "

Your first link shows that there is no religious bias atleast. The woman who was alleged raped was a non-Muslim.
Second link shows that the accused was suspended and a court of inquiry initiated, so clearly not an official BSF policy of rape and murder.