Why do Pakistanis love Kashmir?

[Gazi]

Kashmir is much better off and safe with Pakistan in comparison to India. There are few reasons for that.

1. Kashmir is Sandwiched between 3 Nuclear Armed countries in which two of them share Friendly Relations while one is hostile to each and those two Countries are China and Pakistan while the Hostile one is India. So for Stability Kashmiris would be better off with Pakistan because they share lot more with Pakistan then India or China.

2. It is wrong assumption that Pakistani Kashmiri and Gilgity share nothing from Kashmir as their are lot of Kashur Speaking Kashmiris are in Neelum Velley and Gilgity and Baltis are similar people to Muslim Population of Ladakh in fact Hunza was Summer Capital during Maharaja days and Leh was Winter Capital. Even those living in Jammu District(Majority Hindus) arent Kashur Speak natives either because they are culturally Punjab as well.

3. Indian Control in Kashmir have always been rejected and resisted while in Pakistan AJK feel more Satisfied then Indian Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan even go so far to ask for Provincial Status rather then Autonomous.

4. India stationed 600000 thousand Army inside Kashmir to Control the situation among them not even 10% are local Kashmiri while Pakistan has even less then 100000 troops and among them their are so many Locals even NLI is comprised solely of Locals from Gilgit and Batistan.

 

[Didact]

Kashmir is much better off and safe with Pakistan in comparison to India. There are few reasons for that.

1. Kashmir is Sandwiched between 3 Nuclear Armed countries in which two of them share Friendly Relations while one is hostile to each and those two Countries are China and Pakistan while the Hostile one is India. So for Stability Kashmiris would be better off with Pakistan because they share lot more with Pakistan then India or China.

2. It is wrong assumption that Pakistani Kashmiri and Gilgity share nothing from Kashmir as their are lot of Kashur Speaking Kashmiris are in Neelum Velley and Gilgity and Baltis are similar people to Muslim Population of Ladakh in fact Hunza was Summer Capital during Maharaja days and Leh was Winter Capital. Even those living in Jammu District(Majority Hindus) arent Kashur Speak natives either because they are culturally Punjab as well.

3. Indian Control in Kashmir have always been rejected and resisted while in Pakistan AJK feel more Satisfied then Indian Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan even go so far to ask for Provincial Status rather then Autonomous.

4. India stationed 600000 thousand Army inside Kashmir to Control the situation among them not even 10% are local Kashmiri while Pakistan has even less then 100000 troops and among them their are so many Locals even NLI is comprised solely of Locals from Gilgit and Batistan.

These are meaningless arguments, almost to the extent of being laughable. And they can be countered without any effort.

1. Pakistan is either close to imploding, or at the doors of IMF. For a country that is the exact antithesis of stability and peace to talk of stabilizing another region is well, imaginative.

2. By that logic, a good part of Pakistan has considerable similarity with Northern India. So shouldn't Pakistan be within India?

3. If they vehemently rejected our presence, they wouldn't vote.

4. Why stop at 600,000? It might be 6,000,000 or 60,000,000 or maybe even 600,000,000. I didn't think imagination would be confined to just 600,000?

 

[Gazi]

1. Pakistan is either close to imploding, or at the doors of IMF. For a country that is the exact antithesis of stability and peace to talk of stabilizing another region is well, imaginative.

Pakistan is effected by Temporary Phenomenon of terrorism but whole world Acknowledge Pakistan's Potential if Pakistan is able to counter its Terrorism Problem on the other hand Economy of Kashmir can Flourish in Pakistan because unlike India Pakistan doesnt have any restrictions on foreigners visiting its part of Kashmir and Gilgit or Kashmiris visting Foreign Countries and it is also Connected with China as well.

2. By that logic, a good part of Pakistan has considerable similarity with Northern India. So shouldn't Pakistan be within India?

What Pakistani Similarity with North India is about Language and Cousine only but with Kashmiris Pakistan also have religious Similarities as well. Even Population of Ladakh and Jammu are mostly non Kashmiris and they also share lot of similarities with Pakistani Gilgity and Baltis and Potoharis then any other Indian group.

3. If they vehemently rejected our presence, they wouldn't vote.

They only voted because of BJP ambition of removing Article 370 which gives Kashmir Autonomous status while in Pakistani Kashmir people mostly vote to become Fifth Province all together and reject Autonomous Structure which means Pakistani Kashmiris want to be part of Pakistan Mainstream while Indian Kashmiri doesnt even want to be part of Mainstream India in fact Reject that notion.

4. Why stop at 600,000? It might be 6,000,000 or 60,000,000 or maybe even 600,000,000. I didn't think imagination would be confined to just 600,000?

According to Indian Estimate in 2007 when Kashmir was relatively peaceful and Insurgency was weakest in a long time India had Stationed 337,000 Troops Aprox while Pakistan had way less then 100,000 and almost all of them were stationed LOC and near Western half of Kashmir bordering KPK Province in Pakistan.

 

[45'22']

Because of the natural resources
They don't give a shit about Kashmiris....

 

[Gazi]

Because of the natural resources
They don't give a shit about Kashmiris....

Does India give a Shit about Kashmiris?Pakistan at least ask for Referendum in Kashmir to decide which country they want to be part of while India even Deny them this right even.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

1. water
2. two nation theory... after 71 // this is best prize to show they are right in said thoery... which failed agian and agian
3. ego.... amry...
4. emotion on people.. pak estab played ace card for kashmir to hid their ineffiecy and divert attetion ofpublic and keep playing with thier emotion and life

Does India give a Shit about Kashmiris?Pakistan at least ask for Referendum in Kashmir to decide which country they want to be part of while India even Deny them this right even.

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we are agree as per UN convetion as per original condition .. will you give that ?

 

[45'22']

Does India give a Shit about Kashmiris?Pakistan at least ask for Referendum in Kashmir to decide which country they want to be part of while India even Deny them this right even.

We are not double faced

We say openly that we will not give an inch of Kashmir to anyone
Those who want to be a part of India are free to stay in their Kashmir
Those who don't should find a different Kashmir

It's truth that Pakistan doesn't care about Kashmiris......is Pakistan willing to take all the kashmiris into Pakistan without asking for the land
The answer is a straight NO
Now coming back to Azad Kashmir ....do you even know the condition of the Pakistan Occupied Kashmir???

 

[Gazi]

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we are agree as per UN convetion as per original condition .. will you give that ?

Which part of UN Convention BTW because it is Pakistan that ask for implementation

We are not double faced

We say openly that we will not give an inch of Kashmir to anyone
Those who want to be a part of India are free to stay in their Kashmir
Those who don't should find a different Kashmir

It's truth that Pakistan doesn't care about Kashmiris......is Pakistan willing to take all the kashmiris into Pakistan without asking for the land
The answer is a straight NO
Now coming back to Azad Kashmir ....do you even know the condition of the Pakistan Occupied Kashmir???

Your Saying Openly about not even losing an inch of Kashmir also Proves openly how much you actually Care about Kashmiri people because last time I checked Kashmiris doesnt even want direct Indian Govt. Interference and India left with Article 370 in Kashmir.

BTW India never say OPENLY that they wouldnt give one inch of Kashmir because if they say that then they would go against UN Convention and India only resort on Excuses to prevent UN Convention from Happening because they cant Ignore that as their Soft Power Image would be Scraped so as their UNSC membership hopes.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Which part of UN Convention BTW because it is Pakistan that ask for implementation
Your Saying Openly about not even losing an inch of Kashmir also Proves openly how much you actually Care about Kashmiri people because last time I checked Kashmiris doesnt even want direct Indian Govt. Interference and India left with Article 370 in Kashmir.

BTW India never say OPENLY that they wouldnt give one inch of Kashmir because if they say that then they would go against UN Convention and India only resort on Excuses to prevent UN Convention from Happening because they cant Ignore that as their Soft Power Image would be Scraped so as their UNSC membership hopes.

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please go through thread in pdf on same
which say.. pak need to take back itsforce before
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referdum in same demographics as in 1947 .. when hindu and muslim were living togther . hindu not forced by terrorist to fell house

 

[Gazi]

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please go through thread in pdf on same
which say.. pak need to take back itsforce before
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referdum in same demographics as in 1947 .. when hindu and muslim were living togther . hindu not forced by terrorist to fell house

Pakistan is solely agreed with that and last time I checked it was Indian who have most of their Deployment of troops in Kashmir not Pakistan. So your reason of Taking back Pakistani Forces Failed here because for that India should also do the same as they are Party to the Conflict.

Even that same demographic Refrendum would be Acceptable to Pakistan because Indian Kashmir jammu and Ladakh Combined have aprox 35% non Muslims while Pakistani AJK and Gilgit Baltistan Combine have 95% Muslims so by all means the actual Population of Kashmir would be in Pakistan's Favor then Indian that is known fact no matter how much India deny that.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Pakistan is solely agreed with that and last time I checked it was Indian who have most of their Deployment of troops in Kashmir not Pakistan. So your reason of Taking back Pakistani Forces Failed here because for that India should also do the same as they are Party to the Conflict.

Even that same demographic Refrendum would be Acceptable to Pakistan because Indian Kashmir jammu and Ladakh Combined have aprox 35% non Muslims while Pakistani AJK and Gilgit Baltistan Combine have 95% Muslims so by all means the actual Population of Kashmir would be in Pakistan's Favor then Indian that is known fact no matter how much India deny that.

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Dear ..
Mujahid .... terrroist .... FF .. invaded Kashmir ...
so you cant have open and free referundum ...
it was india 1st went to UN with good faith .. but we were wrong ...
ple go through kashmir thread properly clause by clasue its very clear exlpain this thred
i cant find it now so asking u

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Pakistanis love Kashmir because it's a jugular vein.

Now, now...... was that in a 'Jocular Vein'?
Actually 'Pakistanis love Kashmir'; because it is unattainable, unachievable..... finally in a "Unrequited Love Syndrome" or "Devdas Complex".

 

[Gazi]

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Dear ..
Mujahid .... terrroist .... FF .. invaded Kashmir ...
so you cant have open and free referundum ...
it was india 1st went to UN with good faith .. but we were wrong ...
ple go through kashmir thread properly clause by clasue its very clear exlpain this thred
i cant find it now so asking u

Here we go another Excuse.
This Happened in 1988 before that their wasnt such problems in Kashmir and India back then continuously denying Kashmiris their Rights since 1948 and then claim that Pakistanis doesnt give shit about Kashmiris. Wow what an explanation here. India went to UN with good faith but Bad intentions and that is why they are not willing to solve the actual crisis here instead delaying it since 1948.

Now, now...... was that in a 'Jocular Vein'?
Actually 'Pakistanis love Kashmir'; because it is unattainable, unachievable..... finally in a "Unrequited Love Syndrome" or "Devdas Complex".

Pakistan loves Kashmiris and want their right of Self determination while India always denied that despite of the fact they themselves went to UN to Intervene.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Here we go another Excuse.
This Happened in 1988 before that their wasnt such problems in Kashmir and India back then continuously denying Kashmiris their Rights since 1948 and then claim that Pakistanis doesnt give shit about Kashmiris. Wow what an explanation here. India went to UN with good faith but Bad intentions and that is why they are not willing to solve the actual crisis here instead delaying it since 1948.

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dear .. read why Raja harising sign treaty of accesion ..
you wil get you ans

 

[Gazi]

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dear .. read why Raja harising sign treaty of accesion ..
you wil get you ans

If Raja Harisingh would be matter so much for India then I never heard Nawab of Hyderabad and Lucknow signed any Accession treaty with India and Indias logic was Agreement of Independence where all Muslim Majority areas goes to Pakistan and all Hindu Majority goes to India. Why Hypocrisy of India in Kashmir and not in Majority Hindu Areas during Partition?

And if Mahraja Hari Singh's opinion even Matters then that goes India's claim that they care about Kashmiri People because Mahraja Opinion is not equal to all Kashmiris opinion which is granted to them by UN Convention.