Why do Pakistanis love Kashmir?

[singh sahab]

What is the source,

some Pakistani History text books

No dude, That'd be Zaid-hamidista

 

[kaku1]

What do I think will change??
Pakistan will become richer more powerful, just concentrate on "More Powerful"
If Pakistan had not gotten into Afghanistan mess thing would have been different now, geography would have been different now. Now its only delayed not abandoned.

If we not gotten here, we will be Asian Tiger.

Have you for once able to understand power of "IF"?

 

[I.R.A]

Laugh all you want, just remember the poster boy of your countries division. Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora

We don't take trolls seriously boy, come remind me when you have the ability not to impress me with what others did.

Till then all I got for you by looking at your posts is aur tumhary jaiso k liay to humara 1 pathan singh he kafi ho ga

 

[kaku1]

Why do Pakistanis love Kashmir?
February 21, 2015, 11:56 pm
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Western and Pakistani media coverage – can only operate in London as opposed to their home country. Yet the Pakistani state wants an influx of 5 million Kashmiris (ISI seems to have already granted them honorary citizenship) so thatJihad Fi Sabilillah can be established and victory can be achieved. Of course, Nawaz pretends it’s not about Jihad but his passion for human rights.



Recently, I spoke to a kid who was once a student at an elite and Westernised school in Pakistan (speaking Urdu even during breaks is punishable by a detention at such schools). I was surprised that he couldn’t even take a casual joke on the Kashmir issue. He remarked, “Kashmir does not want to be a part of India.” Amused, I retorted in my usual tongue-in-cheek tone: “Precisely. Kashmir is a natural part of Pakistan and Kashmiri Pandits must pay jizya.” The guy was a non-partisan Muhajir. Obviously, non-partisan quintessential burgers are easily swayed by PTI’s futile hyper-nationalism. If they are fortunate enough to see through the sheer stupidity of PTI Youthism then Musharraf soundbytes (‘Musharraf Saved the Economy!'; ‘Musharraf is a Hero!'; ‘Musharraf was a Liberal!’) seem to work fine. But even for the cream of Pakistan, why exactly Kashmir? So often in intellectualised debates within international relations theory, we must decipher the root cause of security dilemmas between two or more states. Why does a revisionist state like Pakistan want more than it can cope with? Here are a few hypotheses as to why Denialistanis love Kashmir:

Geographical aesthetics hypothesis. REJECTED: Pakistan already has most of the Northern regions– all of which probably much more beautiful than a now war-torn Kashmir… but apparently ‘Paradise on Earth’ must be conquered.

Cultural hypothesis.REJECTED: Even inhabitants of Pakistani-administered Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) do not speak the same language as Kashmiris. The former are generally Potoharis – they are linguistically, culturally and ethnically closer to [Northern] Punjabis. On top of this, ethnic Kashmiris had nothing to do with the Pakistan Movement.

Historical ties hypothesis. REJECTED: Since Pakistanis are mostly Muslims and believe in the idea of the Ummah, apparently before the downfall of the Ottoman Caliphate we Muslims all lived happily ever after. This could not be far from the truth. The Kashmiris had their own history and culture, separate to that of other Muslim groups like Mughals, Pashtuns and Punjabis.

‘Nawaz Sharif human rights’ hypothesis.REJECTED: This does not take into account that if Pakistan wouldn’t keep initiating wars with India over Kashmir, then human rights violations in Kashmir on the part of India would most likely lessen automatically. Secondly, if Pakistanis love Kashmir because they care about human beings, then they would stop killing current citizens first.

‘Only Pakistan can seriously administer Kashmir’ hypothesis.REJECTED: Even Azad Kashmir isn’t properly administered by Pakistan. The people of Azad Kashmir are Potoharis and very Pakistani, yet they have shown themselves to be capable of reforming their own region without the help of the Pakistani state. If Pakistan can’t control Azad Kashmir, how will it control Indian-administered Kashmir?

‘If America can be a hegemon and Israel can defy international law, so can Pakistan’ hypothesis.REJECTED: This certainly explains Pakistan’s constant revisionism, but it doesn’t explain why exactly Pakistanis love Kashmir in particular.

Ideology (Islamism) hypothesis. REJECTED: There is obviously an overarching ideological drive (Jihad is the Pakistani army’s convenient ideology). However, if it was purely about Islam, then why not desire an influx of Muslims from Hyderabad, UP or CP or the Biharis of Bangladesh?

‘Pretty fair-skinned barbarians’ hypothesis:ACCEPTED: It sounds shallow to judge others by their appearance, but we know most Pakistanis are pretty shallow. In the confines of academic rigour and political correctness, the ‘pretty fair-skinned barbarians’ hypothesis has been dismissed as a childish attempt to promote racial realism. But the fact is, the Pakistani mind just can’t get enough of pretty fair-skinned barbarians. I mean… I like my men tall, dark and handsome (and somewhat modern!). But just take a look at Pakistani dramas as they try to romanticise village life. Take a look at Lollywood as it hires the fairest skins from Heera Mandi. The Sufi traditions so popular in both urban and rural centres always have fair-skinned barbaric pirs to represent them. This includes Abida Parveen. Secular, industrialised people always lose out in Pakistan.

British cultural critic and psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple writes, “Stereotyping is inevitable in complex societies in which not everything can be known about every individual.” When we look at Kashmiri Muslims in Kashmir from a macro lens, it is clear why Kashmiri Muslims – despite a lack of a shared history and language – are so appealing to Pakistanis: gora rang, coupled with a literacy rate of 50%, a penchant for Sharia and an obstinate preoccupation with traditional norms and folklore, the oppressed Kashmiris are to be welcomed with open ‘arms’ (no pun intended) in Pakistan.

Take a simple scenario that

""Tomorrow all Indian forces ordered to retreat from K, and Indian parliament allowed from tomorrow Kashmiris leaders are of there own wish.""

What would happen next?

 

[Levina]

Take a simple scenario that

""Tomorrow all Indian forces ordered to retreat from K, and Indian parliament allowed from tomorrow Kashmiris leaders are of there own wish.""

What would happen next?

Kashmir would burn like hell!!

 

[singh sahab]

Really? That's your best shot? After losing arguements, You start name calling like 'Boy" and "tumhare jaiso" "troll".
Bravo. Typical troll attitude.

And as far as your Pathans are concerned, Whole world saw what happened to those Mard-i-momins in 71. Pakistani establishment told their own public that they were winning war till midnight 15 dec '71. They were told that 1 Mard-i-momin is = 100 evil bhartis. Well rest is history as you know. All your lies and propaganda could now save you from defeat. And still remember the LT. Gen Jagjit Singh?

All these fantasies of your 1 Pakistani = 100 Evil Bhartis because of that so called ruhani taqat is good enough in part-time graduation of Zaid-Hamid International College of Propaganda. They do stand in real world. In real world you need something called, real guts, planning, courage, muscle power other than just fantasies and BS claims.

Talk to me when Pakistan actually wins against India in any war. Till then you can tell yourself all those Mard-i-momin stories you want. Those are good for nothing in real world.

 

[kaku1]

Kashmir would burn like hell!!

Egzactly.

 

[syedali73]

Really? That's your best shot? After losing arguements, You start name calling like 'Boy" and "tumhare jaiso" "troll".
Bravo. Typical Pakistani attitude.

This is not 'typical Pakistani attitude' rather troll -specific attitude. Be careful with gross generalizations.

 

[I.R.A]

Really? That's your best shot? After losing arguements, You start name calling like 'Boy" and "tumhare jaiso" "troll".
Bravo. Typical Pakistani attitude.

And as far as your Pathans are concerned, Whole world saw what happened to those Mard-i-momins in 71. Pakistani establishment told their own public that they were winning war till midnight 15 dec '71. They were told that 1 Mard-i-momin is = 100 evil bhartis. Well rest is history as you know. All your lies and propaganda could now save you from defeat. And still remember the LT. Gen Jagjit Singh?

All these fantasies of your 1 Pakistani = 100 Evil Bhartis because of that so called ruhani taqat is good enough in part-time graduation of Zaid-Hamid International College of Propaganda. They do stand in real world. In real world you need something called, real guts, planning, courage, muscle power other than just fantasies and BS claims.

Talk to me when Pakistan actually wins against India in any war. Till then you can tell yourself all those Mard-i-momin stories you want. Those are good for nothing in real world.

Writing a whole paragraph and even mentioning things which I never said (underlined) shows what a Mard E Momin can do with his keyboard only to a deluded BAHARTI sikh

There was never an argument with you baby...... and why would I argue with someone who said "Don't Teach Papa how to F*Ck". I Guess you have finally figured out under that fur of massive hair there is something you can use for pleasuring yourself right?

hallo LT. Gen Jagjit Singh there is this singh here on PDF, he misses you so much keeps mentioning you. Would you like us to send him to you

Sikh tay saday kol v botay nay jay ina shoq charya e tay a kay vekh lay kon dada tu ya ussi.

 

[singh sahab]

This is not 'typical Pakistani attitude' rather troll -specific attitude. Be careful with gross generalizations.

Oh yeah, Sorry. I don't generalize my comments. It just happened somehow.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Writing a whole paragraph and even mentioning things which I never said (underlined) shows what a Mard E Momin can do with his keyboard only to a deluded BAHARTI sikh

There was never an argument with you baby...... and why would I argue with someone who said "Don't Teach Papa how to F*Ck". I Guess you have finally figured out under that fur of massive hair there is something you can use for pleasuring yourself right?

hallo LT. Gen Jagjit Singh there is this singh here on PDF, he misses you so much keeps mentioning you. Would you like us to send him to you

Sikh tay saday kol v botay nay jay ina shoq charya e tay a kay vekh lay kon dada tu ya ussi.

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Dude, Really?

I specifically wrote "Pakistani Establishment Told" in there, and you still manage to blame it on yourself. And as for the underlined part I wrote that in reference to your Pathani hot air claim.


As for the pics you just posted to show Sikh soldiers in PA, Tag me in the photo when a Sikh would become COAS of PA. Till then nobody believes your propaganda.

And i repeat it again, I love Lt. Gen Jagjit. We are proud of him. We will always be. He was a hero to beat the $h!t out of enemy and yet treat them with honor & respect after their surrender. You don't find people like him nowadays.

 

[I.R.A]

Pathani hot air claim.

Pathan Sikhs........................ ever heard of them?

And their is no honor in backstabbing, does not matter how you look at it. So stop mentioning it don't want to further disgrace your soldier.

On Topic for you: India is no position to afford an inch going back from IOK or Siachen, reason the day she does that it will slice her into multiple pieces right across her map. And we will keep threatening her by supporting Kashmiris

As for the pics you just posted to show Sikh soldiers in PA, Tag me in the photo when a Sikh would become COAS of PA. Till then nobody believes your propaganda.

What propaganda? Hmmmmmmm? What? What?

 

[Bang Galore]

On Topic for you: India is no position to afford an inch going back from IOK or Siachen......

Why would India go anywhere from Siachen?

 

[singh sahab]

Pathan Sikhs........................ ever heard of them?

And their is no honor in backstabbing, does not matter how you look at it. So stop mentioning it don't want to further disgrace your soldier.

On Topic for you: India is no position to afford an inch going back from IOK or Siachen, reason the day she does that it will slice her into multiple pieces right across her map. And we will keep threatening her by supporting Kashmiris



What propaganda? Hmmmmmmm? What? What?

So after all that ranting and trolling, you circle around and come back on topic. Good, that's good. I like that.

We don't care how much you support Kashmiri terrorists, We have IA punching holes through their heads, We are facing some causalities in the process, but that's the price one has to pay for having a neighbor like You in particular. You did not get anything substantial in Kashmir after '48. And you never will get anything substantial. In the process you lost half of your country and will lose more if needed.

So, you can dream all about slicing India by thousand cuts, But like i said, you can only DREAM.

 

[I.R.A]

Why would India go anywhere from Siachen?

Ask your Indian side why they went there to that hell hole in the first place?

 

[Bang Galore]

Ask your Indian side why they went there to that hell hole in the first place?

We aren't complaining, you are. We are not interested in going anywhere either, no reason to.