Why do most people on Pakistani news channels call India as "Hindustan"?

[Joe Shearer]

Wasn't there an Oswal merchant who financed British against Nawab? Baniks don't seem to play to a dominant role in Bengali society as Baniyas play in North India and Gujarat (the Vania hub).

Yes.

He was OmiChand, the Jagat Seth. People get awfully confused and think that these are two different persons. Jagat Seth is the leading banker of a region - maybe a city, maybe a part of a province - who sets the interest rate, and whose lead every other banker very strictly follows. This is still prevalent in the Punjab, or was when I first went there in 1976.

I am looking forward to read the ethnographics of your tweet and blog next after this.

 

[Naofumi]

lao jama kara do.

Zardari phir 12.5 feesad leta tha. ab 20 feesad dena paregi.

shah mehmood ki lottery nikli hai

 

[El Sidd]

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Colonial Shah owns many villages and villagers.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Not the guys fault, Ansaris of Panjab are actually Julahas/carpet weavers.
Alot of “kamis” do this, but than there are actual Syeds, who mantain shajrahs & dont marry outside their clans.. than come Irani syeds who are also original syeds..

In India too.

Someone who was once a friend and is a specialist in Muslim ethnography, and is associated with the Pasmanda movement, spoke to me with great feeling about the taunts and humiliation he suffered when young, and when unaware of what being a Julaha was. He was brought up in an educated milieu, and had no idea that his surname designated him as a weaver, until he went to school and started enduring these taunts.

I also had a student who was a Syedna. She was absolutely brilliant, and streets ahead of the rest of her class, and I found that the whole family was exceptional. Most enlightened and progressive family, but I still remember her marks (I am very conservative in marking) with awe.

 

[Naofumi]

Colonial Shah owns many villages and villagers.

He doesn't own them, Mureed hai wo is Peer kay.

 

[El Sidd]

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He doesn't own them, Mureed hai wo is Peer kay.

they don't get sweets handed out like you get from the temple priests.

 

[Naofumi]

they don't get sweets handed out like you get from the temple priests.

Hmm

Hello I am a new member here, my interests include computer programming, geopolitics, philosophy, economics etc. I found this forum on google. Interacting with Pakistanis interests me here. I am a student of computer science from India. I am from a north indian muslim family. I am posting from Delhi.
Thanks

I am really a 20 old year male from an Indian Muslim family

 

[El Sidd]

Hmm

so?

What does it have to do with temple handouts?

 

[Naofumi]

so?

What does it have to do with temple handouts?

A lot.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

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He doesn't own them, Mureed hai wo is Peer kay.

He’s gadi nasheen of bahaudin zikariya shrine.. that itself is a seal of his authentic syed heritage.

That said, his nephew is my friend, whose father is from Attock and کھٹر (not to be confused with indian khattar surmame.

 

[El Sidd]

A lot.

How?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

In India too.

Someone who was once a friend and is a specialist in Muslim ethnography, and is associated with the Pasmanda movement, spoke to me with great feeling about the taunts and humiliation he suffered when young, and when unaware of what being a Julaha was. He was brought up in an educated milieu, and had no idea that his surname designated him as a weaver, until he went to school and started enduring these taunts.

I also had a student who was a Syedna. She was absolutely brilliant, and streets ahead of the rest of her class, and I found that the whole family was exceptional. Most enlightened and progressive family, but I still remember her marks (I am very conservative in marking) with awe.

In Pak you will find 2 sort of such people... ansari, qureshis etc in Panjab are just glorified titles adopted by many “kamis”, but alot of them take pride in it while others might feel ashamed.

In university I had a classmate whose name was Malik Xyz, asked him if he was Awan, and he proudly told me that he was teli. If anything that made me respect him, “Nar admi”...

 

[Joe Shearer]

In Pak you will find 2 sort of such people... ansari, qureshis etc in Panjab are just glorified titles adopted by many “kamis”, but alot of them take pride in it while others might feel ashamed.

In university I had a classmate whose name was Malik Xyz, asked him if he was Awan, and he proudly told me that he was teli. If anything that made me respect him, “Nar admi”...

Agreed.

Full marks for his self-confidence.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Agreed.

Full marks for his self-confidence.

We had 2 Indian exchange students Punjab Univ Law College.. one was a muslim chap from delhi, the other was a hindu girl.

Ironically the Muslim chap for some odd reason spoke with a panjabi accent and claimed to be Panjabi though he was an urdu speaker..

But despite all that he was a proud indian.. gotta give him marks for that..

 

[Naofumi]

He’s gadi nasheen of bahaudin zikariya shrine.. that itself is a seal of his authentic syed heritage.

That said, his nephew is my friend, whose father is from Attock and کھٹر (not to be confused with indian khattar surmame.

In his book, A Book of Conquest: The Chachnama & Muslim Origins in South Asia, Manan Ahmed has shown that by 13th century this system of hierarchy was firmly established in South Asia, & many even minor sultans, chieftains etc., who had moved from Persia & Central Asia urged their court historians to invent their lineage with, if not Syeds, at least with Arabs. Historians weren’t shy of mixing their own lineage in there, & he argues that Ali Kufi’s Chachnama (book on Bin Qasim’s conquest of Sindh) itself was a 13th century text that claimed to be an 8th century text by an Arab to find greater privilege & purchase among the aristocrats of his time, & thus much in it couldn’t possibly have been true.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176049472884879361

The guy is a Harvard historian.

Ironically the Muslim chap for some odd reason spoke with a panjabi accent and claimed to be Panjabi though he was an urdu speaker..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Saudagaran-e-Delhi
@Cliftonite

How?

We used to kill for Mandir Masjid some three decades ago, the rest of is self-explanatory.