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Why did Pakistan’s F-16s refuse to engage the IAF’s Mig-29s during the Kargil War?

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With its powerful MiG-29s swatting away Pakistani F-16s, the Indian Air Force’s MiG-21, MiG-27 and Mirage-2000 jets were able to devastate Pakistani military positions with impunity during the 1999 conflict.

India was minutes away from bombing Pakistan on June 13, 1999 during the Kargil War. The Indian Air Force had deployed 16 jet fighters, mostly MiGs, for carrying out attacks deep into enemy territory.

Mig-29’s are air superiority fighters and are equipped/loaded for it while F-16’s are interceptors. Fundamentally different planes and interceptors don’t match well against air superiority fighters. Also, at the point in time, the India MiG’s were much better equipped and loaded for air confrontations when compared to the Pakstiani Airforce.

The IAF’s employment of airpower against Pakistan Army positions at Himalayan heights of 18,000 ft – unprecedented in the history of aerial warfare – achieved three key objectives: it ensured an early Indian victory, demoralised the Pakistani military and showed the limitations of nuclear deterrence.

Because of the aerial superiority achieved by the IAF in the war – and later during the 2002 border standoff – the Pakistan Air Force’s “psyche took a big beating”, says a Strategy Page report.

The Mig29s actually acted as a protective cover for other Indian fighters during Kargil war, dominating the airspace. The simple reason why F-16s could not engage the Mig 29s is that the Migs were equipped with Russian BVRAAMs (Beyond Visual Range missiles) of 80 km range, whereas the Pakistani F16s did not have BVR missiles at that time (Now the F16s are also equipped with BVRAAMs of 80 km range). While there were strict instructions for the IAF not to cross the LOC, the Migs could have been lethal to the **** F16s even from within our territory.

The Pakistanis feared the Mig 29 and knew they could would be shot down before they even got close enough to take a shot at the Indians. That is why, even though the PAF was itching to get its f16s into the battlefield, they kept patrolling within their airspace and did not even approach close to the LOC for fear of BVR capabilities of Mig 29. Of course where other fighters failed to do precision bombing on mountainous terrain, the Mirage 2000s, being an excellent ground attack fighter, dealt the final blow to destroy the bunkers of Pakis in Kargil by using their Laser guided bombs and targeting pods.

“Analyses by Pakistani experts revealed that when the rubber met the road, PAF simply refused to play any part in support of the Pakistan Army, angering the latter,” says the report. IAF MiG-29s armed with the deadly R-77 BVR air-to-air missiles were able to lock on to PAF F-16s, forcing the latter to disengage. In the absence of a PAF threat, the IAF was able to deliver numerous devastating strikes on intruder positions and supply dumps.”

Western Air Command ensured whenever IAF reconnaissance or ground attack operations were under way in the immediate combat zone that the MiG-29s or other air-to-air fighters were also airborne on combat air patrol stations over the ground fighting on India’s side of the LoC to provide top cover against any attempt by the PAF to enter the fray in a ground attack role.

Only Potent and Capable aircraft in Pakistani arsenal during was F 16. However, lack of BVR made PAF F-16s to maintain a safe distance of 10 to 20 miles on the Pakistani side of the LoC, although they occasionally approached as close as 8 miles away from the ongoing ground engagements.”

As stated in US air manuals, “Air power produces physical and psychological shock by dominating the fourth dimension of time. Shock results in confusion and disorientation.” At the same time, the Indian Army was pounding away at the Pakistani positions with its heavy artillery. The continuous barrage of bombs exploding around them day and night had a devastating effect on the Pakistani intruders.

The effectiveness of the IAF’s operations can be measured by the fact that Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz, rushed to New Delhi on June 12, and implored India to “stop its air strikes”. You don’t get more desperate than that.

However, the most telling statement on the war was made by India’s then defence minister George Fernandes. In January 2000 he observed that in precipitating the Kargil War, Pakistan “had not absorbed the real meaning of nuclearisation – that it can deter only the use of nuclear weapons, but not conventional war.”

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India is many times the geographic size
many times the population
many times higher defense budget
IAF is 3 times PAF,
the india navy is many times our navy.

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With its powerful MiG-29s swatting away Pakistani F-16s, the Indian Air Force’s MiG-21, MiG-27 and Mirage-2000 jets were able to devastate Pakistani military positions with impunity during the 1999 conflict.

India was minutes away from bombing Pakistan on June 13, 1999 during the Kargil War. The Indian Air Force had deployed 16 jet fighters, mostly MiGs, for carrying out attacks deep into enemy territory.

Mig-29’s are air superiority fighters and are equipped/loaded for it while F-16’s are interceptors. Fundamentally different planes and interceptors don’t match well against air superiority fighters. Also, at the point in time, the India MiG’s were much better equipped and loaded for air confrontations when compared to the Pakstiani Airforce.

The IAF’s employment of airpower against Pakistan Army positions at Himalayan heights of 18,000 ft – unprecedented in the history of aerial warfare – achieved three key objectives: it ensured an early Indian victory, demoralised the Pakistani military and showed the limitations of nuclear deterrence.

Because of the aerial superiority achieved by the IAF in the war – and later during the 2002 border standoff – the Pakistan Air Force’s “psyche took a big beating”, says a Strategy Page report.

The Mig29s actually acted as a protective cover for other Indian fighters during Kargil war, dominating the airspace. The simple reason why F-16s could not engage the Mig 29s is that the Migs were equipped with Russian BVRAAMs (Beyond Visual Range missiles) of 80 km range, whereas the Pakistani F16s did not have BVR missiles at that time (Now the F16s are also equipped with BVRAAMs of 80 km range). While there were strict instructions for the IAF not to cross the LOC, the Migs could have been lethal to the **** F16s even from within our territory.

The Pakistanis feared the Mig 29 and knew they could would be shot down before they even got close enough to take a shot at the Indians. That is why, even though the PAF was itching to get its f16s into the battlefield, they kept patrolling within their airspace and did not even approach close to the LOC for fear of BVR capabilities of Mig 29. Of course where other fighters failed to do precision bombing on mountainous terrain, the Mirage 2000s, being an excellent ground attack fighter, dealt the final blow to destroy the bunkers of Pakis in Kargil by using their Laser guided bombs and targeting pods.

“Analyses by Pakistani experts revealed that when the rubber met the road, PAF simply refused to play any part in support of the Pakistan Army, angering the latter,” says the report. IAF MiG-29s armed with the deadly R-77 BVR air-to-air missiles were able to lock on to PAF F-16s, forcing the latter to disengage. In the absence of a PAF threat, the IAF was able to deliver numerous devastating strikes on intruder positions and supply dumps.”

Western Air Command ensured whenever IAF reconnaissance or ground attack operations were under way in the immediate combat zone that the MiG-29s or other air-to-air fighters were also airborne on combat air patrol stations over the ground fighting on India’s side of the LoC to provide top cover against any attempt by the PAF to enter the fray in a ground attack role.

Only Potent and Capable aircraft in Pakistani arsenal during was F 16. However, lack of BVR made PAF F-16s to maintain a safe distance of 10 to 20 miles on the Pakistani side of the LoC, although they occasionally approached as close as 8 miles away from the ongoing ground engagements.”

As stated in US air manuals, “Air power produces physical and psychological shock by dominating the fourth dimension of time. Shock results in confusion and disorientation.” At the same time, the Indian Army was pounding away at the Pakistani positions with its heavy artillery. The continuous barrage of bombs exploding around them day and night had a devastating effect on the Pakistani intruders.

The effectiveness of the IAF’s operations can be measured by the fact that Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz, rushed to New Delhi on June 12, and implored India to “stop its air strikes”. You don’t get more desperate than that.

However, the most telling statement on the war was made by India’s then defence minister George Fernandes. In January 2000 he observed that in precipitating the Kargil War, Pakistan “had not absorbed the real meaning of nuclearisation – that it can deter only the use of nuclear weapons, but not conventional war.”

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The India, Pakistan Kargil conflict during the summer of 1999 was generally a ground affair.
Although initially the IAF tried to intervene by trying to attack positions on the Pakistani side of the border, however after losing two aircrafts and being intercepted by the PAF, the IAF never ventured into the Pakistani airspace however, both the PAF and IAF continued to carry out CAPs along their respective borders. Ironically the Indian air force gave one of it's MiG-29 pilot, F/L Gaurav Chibber, a gallantry award for allegedly gaining a ''lock'' on PAF F-16s from within Indian air space, the PAF on it's part ridiculed the bravado as an episode created for the home audience and described the actual event as it really happened. There was also an incident where a pair of F-16s tailed a flight of five MiG-29s for about 20 minutes, the Indian aircraft were completely unaware of the F-16s presence until warned by their own GCI, in process the Indian pilots ''jinxed'' so violently that they almost crashed into each other.
Anyways to the claim of Fulcrum buzzing Falcon.

F/L Gaurav Chibber incident - The true story

Armed with four AA-10 and two Magic-2 [or probably AA-11] missiles, Gaurav Chibber a MiG-29 pilot acquired a lock on at two PAF F-16As orbiting over Skardu. The F-16s at once repeated their drill of engine to idle thrust, deploying a cloud of chaff and dropping down from 20,000ft to 500ft AGL with AA Radar on standby mode. Gaurav Chibber must have had a wry smile on his face under his helmet when he lost the lock-on. Angry with the avionics Gaurav again searched for the Vipers when he felt that the avionics of his aircraft had jammed. Gaurav tried all methods and probably had his A/A Radar functional again when he saw no sign of any aircraft in his radar. He felt something suspicious and decided to move out. As he started his way back to the base he saw two tracks appearing suddenly on his A/A Radar from behind. He quickly took evasive action but was relieved that he is well inside his territory and the tracks turned back in Pakistan.
As fate would have it, F/L Gaurav Chibber met his end when the Mig-29 ,he was flying crashed in Bilaspur distric of Himachal Pardesh on August 6, 1999.

Flight Lieutenant Gaurav Chibber

Service No 22926 Branch F(P)

Name : Gaurav Chibber Rank Flight Lieutenant
Date of Birth:
Date Commissioned
18 Jun 94 (153 Course) Service End Died in Service 06 Aug 99

Awards and Decorations
Number of Awards: 1

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Vayu Sena Medal (Gallantry)
Flt Lt
Gaurav Chibber 22926 F(P) Award Date Announced 15 Aug 99
Details :
229 Sqn MiG-29 For CAP and escort missions

Unit : 223 Squadron
 
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