Why clean India will never work.

[The Unnamed]

this where modi can use the thor's hammer and gain approval for being a fanatic. being real hard and jailing people is berrrfecktly okay with me. but before that we need about a billion public toilets. all over india. ok..a few million will do.

guys, you know what this means right ? it involves all of us.

this is when gandhi comes in.

do it yourself. all of you guys/girls/rest.

 

[Tshering22]

Apart from cleaning drives, we need to have punitive laws that fine people heavily for littering the streets, while providing clean dustbins by the municipalities.

Fines should range from INR 5000 to INR 50,000 and those who threaten using political influences should be fined and have non-bailable jail for 3 years.

Only such radical rules will scare people into discipline.

 

[sms]

Apart from cleaning drives, we need to have punitive laws that fine people heavily for littering the streets, while providing clean dustbins by the municipalities.

Fines should range from INR 5000 to INR 50,000 and those who threaten using political influences should be fined and have non-bailable jail for 3 years.

Only such radical rules will scare people into discipline.

Bro, just punishing peopl will not solve this problem. We must make municipalities to provide facilities to peopl so they can dispose garbage properly.

As of today in most of cities there is no place (collection) to dump garbage, if there is palce there no timely pick up, if the pic up is there the frequency is unacceptable.

In short I'd advocate to punish people only if the administration provide adequate cleaning and garbage disposal facilities.

FYI, when I was young I was determined to sue Municipality of my city. I collected tax receipts and did my best to lodge complaint for inadequate / no services provided despite payment of full taxes/ charges levied on us. Result I was laughing stock and none supported me to register case against Govt. body. Now I can afford good lawyer I'll go back and sue them whenever I go back to India.

 

[Gibbs]

Apart from cleaning drives, we need to have punitive laws that fine people heavily for littering the streets, while providing clean dustbins by the municipalities.

Fines should range from INR 5000 to INR 50,000 and those who threaten using political influences should be fined and have non-bailable jail for 3 years.

Only such radical rules will scare people into discipline.

Worked pretty well in SL.. Now the cities are spotless, Ofcause they weren't bad as most of other places in the region to begin with but still, Massive fines have been a deterrent, There is a special unit called Environmental Police unit within the department, Cycling all over towns to keep things tidy

Also ironically the spread of Dengue epidemic couple of years ago had the general population spring in to action and clear their immediate environs, If you get caught unwittingly breeding mosquitoes, It's a minimal 6 months jail term

 

[Shatterpoint]

India should be on a war footing, to stop this menace, the people will win this war if they have the attitude that they each take responsibility. This war can be won, and brutally crushed, toilets, cleanliness, every man, woman and child doing their part for the greater good.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

There are various factors which has to be considered. The lack of waste disposal facilities and inadequate municipalities. The attitude of poorer Indians and the Indian mindset. The culture of the beggars. The list is endless. The PM calling for a clean India must filter down not only to the Indian people but also to the city planners

 

[jarves]

This caste problem in India is exactly the reason why it can never become the aspiring superpower it envision to become in the future!
Caste system in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Caste system has nothing to do cleanliness and has been eradicated in most parts of India.Secondly more and more lower caste people are getting at higher positions due to quota system and Upper caste people are loosing there power,infact most of the high casste people want to convert into low caste to enjoy benefits of Quota.
Lastly i would like to point out that our beloved prime minister which is praised by so many Indians is from a low caste community.

 

[thesolar65]

All Indian members are discussing it from every angle but not that of @oFFbEAT . I fully agree with him. As I wrote in another thread "Laaton ke Bhoot Baton se nahin Manenge". Must impose stiff penalties to change the habits. Once the current generation who will be forced to change the habits and then after they breath their last only the then public will do it suo motto. So with the fine and jail threat, the suo motto cleaning will take upto at least 30-40 years. This policy worked with helmets, zebra crossing, seat belts. etc.
@halupridol @janon @Dash @Biplab Bijay @jarves @PlanetWarrior @Tshering22

 

[Tshering22]

Worked pretty well in SL.. Now the cities are spotless, Ofcause they weren't bad as most of other places in the region to begin with but still, Massive fines have been a deterrent, There is a special unit called Environmental Police unit within the department, Cycling all over towns to keep things tidy

Also ironically the spread of Dengue epidemic couple of years ago had the general population spring in to action and clear their immediate environs, If you get caught unwittingly breeding mosquitoes, It's a minimal 6 months jail term.
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In India also there is a bad need for this in general. We need similar police rules in our country. For example, here in Sikkim, we are the cleanest state in the country. Why? Because we are also one of the least populated state in the country. But that's no measure to dictate cleanliness. In Union Territories like Chandigarh, Daman & Diu and Pondicherry, these cities are very clean compared to rest of the normal cities. Ahmedabad, Gandhinagar and Baroda are three other very clean cities.

However, the overpopulated lot like cities of UP, Maharashtra, Delhi etc are extremely dirty.

Bro, just punishing peopl will not solve this problem. We must make municipalities to provide facilities to peopl so they can dispose garbage properly.

As of today in most of cities there is no place (collection) to dump garbage, if there is palce there no timely pick up, if the pic up is there the frequency is unacceptable.

In short I'd advocate to punish people only if the administration provide adequate cleaning and garbage disposal facilities.

FYI, when I was young I was determined to sue Municipality of my city. I collected tax receipts and did my best to lodge complaint for inadequate / no services provided despite payment of full taxes/ charges levied on us. Result I was laughing stock and none supported me to register case against Govt. body. Now I can afford good lawyer I'll go back and sue them whenever I go back to India.

Yes. There have to be proper dustbins provided for littering. But it should be sternly enforced with environment officers punishing people and police having unprecedented power to arrest even those who claim to be related to big shots.

I was on a short break to the city of Jaisalmer in Rajasthan. The Vasundhra government has taken good initiative to clean up Rajasthan and make it more attractive to the already robust tourism industry in that state. I was mightily impressed. But the city's cleanliness also was due to people's attitude. Rajasthanis, whether in Jaisalmer, Udaipur, Jodhpur or even capital Jaipur was immaculate. They are polite, decent and accept rules unlike Delhi or Mumbai where everyone thinks they own the city.

This is the same problem we have with fellow Indians who come to visit our state. We tell people not to litter but they don't care and litter. Why? Because the state mentality of many states has been made like that. That has to change.

 

[jarves]

All Indian members are discussing it from every angle but not that of @oFFbEAT . I fully agree with him. As I wrote in another thread "Laaton ke Bhoot Baton se nahin Manenge". Must impose stiff penalties to change the habits. Once the current generation who will be forced to change the habits and then after they breath their last only the then public will do it suo motto. So with the fine and jail threat, the suo motto cleaning will take upto at least 30-40 years. This policy worked with helmets, zebra crossing, seat belts. etc.
@halupridol @janon @Dash @Biplab Bijay @jarves @PlanetWarrior @Tshering22

100% true.
However this will require a large manpower and police forces are already very less in comparison to our population,so who will do the monitoring job??

 

[Biplab Bijay]

All Indian members are discussing it from every angle but not that of @oFFbEAT . I fully agree with him. As I wrote in another thread "Laaton ke Bhoot Baton se nahin Manenge". Must impose stiff penalties to change the habits. Once the current generation who will be forced to change the habits and then after they breath their last only the then public will do it suo motto. So with the fine and jail threat, the suo motto cleaning will take upto at least 30-40 years. This policy worked with helmets, zebra crossing, seat belts. etc.
@halupridol @janon @Dash @Biplab Bijay @jarves @PlanetWarrior @Tshering22

Yep. Its true.

 

[thesolar65]

100% true.
However this will require a large manpower and police forces are already very less in comparison to our population,so who will do the monitoring job??

Can't answer just like that, have to think ways..may be technology can help!!

 

[Contrarian]

In India also there is a bad need for this in general. We need similar police rules in our country. For example, here in Sikkim, we are the cleanest state in the country. Why? Because we are also one of the least populated state in the country. But that's no measure to dictate cleanliness. In Union Territories like Chandigarh, Daman & Diu and Pondicherry, these cities are very clean compared to rest of the normal cities. Ahmedabad, Gandhinagar and Baroda are three other very clean cities.

However, the overpopulated lot like cities of UP, Maharashtra, Delhi etc are extremely dirty.



Yes. There have to be proper dustbins provided for littering. But it should be sternly enforced with environment officers punishing people and police having unprecedented power to arrest even those who claim to be related to big shots.

I was on a short break to the city of Jaisalmer in Rajasthan. The Vasundhra government has taken good initiative to clean up Rajasthan and make it more attractive to the already robust tourism industry in that state. I was mightily impressed. But the city's cleanliness also was due to people's attitude. Rajasthanis, whether in Jaisalmer, Udaipur, Jodhpur or even capital Jaipur was immaculate. They are polite, decent and accept rules unlike Delhi or Mumbai where everyone thinks they own the city.

This is the same problem we have with fellow Indians who come to visit our state. We tell people not to litter but they don't care and litter. Why? Because the state mentality of many states has been made like that. That has to change.

Delhi is steadily improving in cleanliness.

 

[Tshering22]

Delhi is steadily improving in cleanliness.

But the attitude of people is worsening. And that will never help to maintain a city clean. I have lived there for a majority part of my student life.

Delhi needs hardcore laws that are very harsh and aggressive. As heartless as I may sound, it is essential.

Mumbai being more crowded and tensed, has better attitude than Delhi.

 

[Contrarian]

Mumbai being more crowded and tensed, has better attitude than Delhi.

No doubt. But I am only talking of cleanliness.
It is steadily improving and it got a big boost because of Commonwealth Games. Delhi on average is now substantially cleaner than it was say 5-6 years back.