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Why China's upcoming visit should be viewed w/ caution.

I don't know who is worse for China to be honest, Democrats or Republicans. Which one is better for India?

This is kinda hard to answer, As both the Republicans and democrats are equally part of the pro India-caucus in the Us congress.

The republicans are more "gung ho" and "lets invade(iran etc etc)" type...which would only bring more misery to the rest of the world. democrats are more pacifists however, both parties seem to have a dislike for China. So its hard for me to say which is a better option for China. I would say Democrats as they would not do anything rash. But at the same time, the democrats are more pro-Dalai lama as they tend to be more liberal(relatively)in their outlook. This is why you have strange situations like in the city of Berkeley where you have people thrash American military recruiting stations....and at the same time hold pro pro Tibet rallies. You could call them ultra-liberals.


Your user name is interesting, I have heard of Kensai before. Much more interesting than my user name, my user name was designed to put across the point that Chinese dragons (and other East Asian dragons) are actually nothing at all like Western dragons, which are considered evil.

Chinese dragons on the other hand are wise and benevolent creatures. Although some do have a temper like "Shenlong" (written Shenron in Japanese).


Thank you, your Id is a good choice as well. And yes, I know a bit about the Chinese Dragon and its difference between the western dragon.I have quite a few Chinese friends here, and have been to the Chinese temples a few times. Burning paper money and all that :D. I also know that red is considered a auspicious or should I say "good" colour in Chinese culture.


Ironically, the Dragon/serpent symbolism was used as a positive thing in many ancient cultures (Egypt, Sumeria, India, China, South America). The bad rap the western Dragon got started with the advent of the Abrahamic religions where it became synonymous with evil...but then again if one actually "reads" the words about the snake in the Genesis (rather than the religion spin on it) one realizes even the Snake was actually considered a wise being. Probably this myth is a leftover from the Sumerian religion that preceded it, in that region.



Even in India, the Snake/Dragon (those two are generally related) symbolism is very strong. We Hindus consider the inner energy/wisdom(Kundalini) (similar to the Chi in Chinese) to be in the form of a serpent..coiled..waiting to be tapped. The South Asian/SEA Naga's are imho very similar to the dragon.The same could also be said of the plumed serpent of the South American civilizations.(Aztecs, Maya's)

We also have them as temple guardians called "Yali'
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Btw, im not Indian per se, but am a Tamil from Lanka.


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Thank you. And yes, I know a bit about the Chinese Dragon and its difference between the western dragon.I have quite a few Chinese friends here, and have been to the Chinese temples a few times. Burning paper money and all that :D. I also know that red is considered a auspicious or should I say "good" colour in Chinese culture.

Even in India, the Snake/Dragon (those two are generally related) symbolism is very strong. We Hindus consider the inner energy/wisdom(Kundalini) (similar to the Chi in Chinese) to be in the form of a serpent..coiled..waiting to be tapped. The South Asian/SEA Naga's are imho very similar to the dragon.The same could also be said of the plumed serpent of the South American civilizations.(Aztecs, Maya's)

Your knowledge on China is quite impressive! And you are right, the colour Red symbolizes good luck and prosperity in our culture.

Yeah burning that paper money is quite common during Chinese festivals, it's supposed to go to the underworld so our ancestors can buy nice things with it. :cheers:

Btw, im not Indian per se, but am a Tamil from Lanka.

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Ah nice, one of my closest friends while growing up was a Sri Lankan too, who lived in HK. :tup: I didn't ask him if he was Tamil or Sinhalese though, I didn't know much about that issue back then.
 
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Mny of guys the just dissapeared,many got banned themselves,anyway how was ur India trip,hope u did not met any other waiter who believed to b an inferior:lol:

Frankly, sorry to say that mumbai and bangalore still not changed, my stay in mumbai like a nightmare, but I went to Kerala this time, there is really beatiful and people there are very kind with a pure heart, and I made some good friends there even after I came back to japan we still have email connection~. Generally speaking, this trip is much better than before.
 
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Your knowledge on China is quite impressive! And you are right, the colour Red symbolizes good luck and prosperity in our culture.

Yeah burning that paper money is quite common during Chinese festivals, it's supposed to go to the underworld so our ancestors can buy nice things with it. :cheers:

Thank you.:) but you are being too kind, my knowledge regarding china is surely very limited. I'm more interested in Ancient history than recent one(even though i try to keep abreast of the new developments) and Needless to say, both India and China have no shortage of ancient history!

I've been to Chinese temples here and in Malaysia. My friend's and I brought some of those stacks of fake paper money they sell outside the temples and burnt them. It was cool.

Ah nice, one of my closest friends while growing up was a Sri Lankan too, who lived in HK. :tup: I didn't ask him if he was Tamil or Sinhalese though, I didn't know much about that issue back then.

Cool :), I have Chinese and Japanese relatives but we live spread out over the world..almost like the Irish, in a way......with more than a 3rd of the population living abroad...due to the current situation of our homeland. Last month I celebrated thanksgiving with my Indian, Japanese and Chinese friends. Abroad Asians are always more cordial to each other; as we are all outsiders.
 
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Get over your China obsession, nobody care regarding your rant, talking about trade deficit? don't make it sounds like China responsibe for all India's deficit eh? actually India is a well known sucker in trade to the world.:lol: China is only enjoying a reasonable share.

D. TRADE BALANCE

The trade deficit for April - August, 2010 was estimated at US $ 56620 million which was higher than the deficit of US $ 40279 million during April -August, 2009.Department of Commerce, Government of India

It is india's emergence as a global power that is worrying china and Don't be surprised to see the change in the stapled visa stand of China during the upcoming Chinese visit.
China is in most disadvantageous position now as it is surrounded by US,India and other US allies and squeezing it :sniper:
 
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Don't take it to heart, Mate. He was only talking about China he never commented about India. BTW I don't think your govt lets the real info passed on to world and media. So based on whatever little they could gather they ranked you. So i will take the ranking with grain of salt.

BTW milk and lead infested toys were not the only thing that came to the light

Your latest defective export was Drywall

Read the report

Latest defective product from China: Drywall


I am sure if you search you can compile a big list of items.

Buddy, if you produce nothing, nothing will be defective.

Simple, isn't it?

For the bold part:

We have been a Democracy right from 1947 but our democracy till 1991 was socialist in nature and markets were conservative and closed for outside investments. Its only in 1991 our now PM Manmohan singh opened our markets and taking us on the path of progress. Mind it with all the constraints like poverty, literacy rate etc we are still giving challenge to the world. Wait for another decade and you will see unprecedented improvement in all the areas .

Now for the second part, I respect China and Chinese civilization and the relation our civilizations have shared but it becomes very annoying to see Chinese talking nonsense about my country.

Buddy, better stop being a democracy apologist, start doing something real. Seriously.
 
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Let's keep poor India out of debate as of now. Can you tell me why the rich European countries and US complains about quality of your products. I gave an example of drywall in my last post. Second example will be Lenovo..Ever since IBM sold Thinkpad to Lenovo, the laptop has lost all its credibility and now the hardware keeps crashing every now and then. Mind it original Thinkpad was considered one sturdy trustworthy Lappy and now after Lenovo take over lots of US companies are switching over from Thinkpad to other manufacturers. Did that ring a bell for you ultra rich Chinese?

I've been a Thinkpad user for 3 years. it has crashed less often than my HP. besides, the computer you are typing on right now has a 4/5 probability of being made in china, or the parts being made in china, regardless of the label since western companies don't even manufacture their own computers, they buy from a bulk producer and write their logo on. Ever heard of QUANTA?
 
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It is india's emergence as a global power that is worrying china and Don't be surprised to see the change in the stapled visa stand of China during the upcoming Chinese visit.
China is in most disadvantageous position now as it is surrounded by US,India and other US allies and squeezing it :sniper:
China will not let her enemies ally together. The weakest link is India. All China needs to do is fight a short but decisive war against India (just like 1962) and the 21st century belongs to China. Even the West will be afraid of China after China strengthens its influence over South Asia and Indian Ocean.

This is what I wrote in a blog post:

China's defense strategy should be to achieve its strategic interests in 5 theaters: Northeast, East, South, South Asia and Middle East.


Northeast: Hold the Line and Counterattack

China's strategic interest in the Northeast theater is to directly threaten and put pressure on Japan's home islands and dominate the Korean peninsula against a potentially hostile South Korea. At sea, China must defend the Yellow Sea and counter any pressure from US naval presence in South Korea.

To achieve these goals, China should base large numbers of long range artillery rockets (such as WS-2D) in North Korea that can blanket Tokyo in case of a war.

It should also guarantee North Korea's security by supplying it with weapons, advisers or even direct military intervention in case of a war with the South.

It should also counter the US naval presence in South Korea with PLAN. In case of a war, remove the US naval presence by moving PLA elite armor T-99A2 into South Korea and put into power a China-friendly government.


East: Hold the Line and Counterattack

China's strategic interest in the Eastern theater is to control the East China Sea and support Ryukyu independence.

To achieve these goals, China should lease a PLAN base in Taiwan from the nationalist government if politically feasible. Of course, it cannot tolerate any move toward de jure independence by Taiwan.

It should also have an amphibious strike force of 6 071 LPD that can land about 10,000 troops and armor on the Ryukyus or even Japan's home islands.


South: Project Power and Deter

China's strategic interest in the Southern theater is to have a naval base further South in the South China Sea and eventually control access to Malacca Straits from the Eastern Side.

To achieve these goals, China should lease a PLAN base in Cambodia and build a railroad from China through Laos to Cambodia.

It should also deploy an amphibious strike force of 6 071 LPD to simultaneously evict in a quick operation the military presence of South East Asian countries on China's islands in the South China Sea.

If Vietnam tries to go nuclear, it should also quickly take down Hanoi and control the entire Vietnam coastline down to Ho Chi Ming City (Saigon). Set up a China-friendly government in Vietnam.


South Asia: With Help from Pakistan, Regime Change India

China's strategic interest in the South Asia theater is to contain, weaken, cripple and finally break apart India because it appears certain the Hindu civilization has decided to oppose the Chinese civilization in the 21st century.

To achieve these goals, China should complete the railroad into Pakistan through Kashmir. Station PLA infantry expeditionary units in Kashmir ready to overrun India positions. Station elite PLA armor T-99A2 on the plains of South Asia ready to overrun India positions. Station a giant PLAN fleet at Gwadar threatening to land combat marines on India's western coastline.

It should also complete the railroad into Nepal. Station PLA infantry on the Nepal-Indian border ready to overrun India positions.

It should also build up troops levels at mountain passes in the Eastern Sector facing India. The Indians expect to move heavy artillery on to the Himalayan plains to counter China.

If India refuses to cease its hostility to China, China should drive elite PLA armor to New Delhi, surround the city, overthrow the Indian government and install a pro-Pakistan / pro-China government in New Delhi. The map of South Asia can be redrawn to form new buffer states for Pakistan and China.

This armored drive against New Delhi should be supported by simulatenous infantry attacks in Kashmir, Sikkim and Tawang supported by J-10 air superiority and Z-10A helicopter close air support. The first major engagement of the war should be a massive Chinese cruise missile CJ-10 and EMP attack against the main strength of the Indian army defending the capital city.

Indian army nuclear missile units should be hunted down by satellite reconnaisance and H-6K strategic bomber cruise missile strikes. The Chinese ballistic missile defense system successfully tested a year ago should be fully developed and deployed in Tibet.

Simultaneous with the land war, PLAN submarines (the new Type 095 class) based from Gwadar should enforce a shipping blockade against the west coast of Southern India. PLAN submarines based from Myanmar should enforce a shipping blockade against the East coast of Southern India.


Middle East: Support Iran

China's strategic interest in the Middle East theater is to support countries opposed to US domination, build an overland route for energy transportation to the Middle East, and persuade Middle East oil producers to sell their oil in RMB not dollars, thus fatally undermining the US dollar.

A US-led war against Iran by 2013 is very likely if a Republican president is voted in in 2012. From the recent Wikileaks episode, we can see Iran can build a basic nuclear deterrent arsenal with nuclear warhead and medium-range missile by about 2013.

To achieve these goals, China should build a railway from Xinjiang in China through Central Asia to Iran's northeast. Through this railway, supply Iran with air defence weapons like HQ-9 and coastal defense weapons like C-803 to defend against US airstrikes or naval blockade. This railway could also transport energy supplies from Iran to China if the US imposes a blockade through the Gulf of Aden.

If Iran wants a basic nuclear deterrent against Israel, China should not get in its way.

China should also form an RMB denominated oil trading bloc with Iran and persuade other Middle East countries to join. This will give China an economic advantage of having the preeminent reserve currency.
 
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Checkmating China needs serious engagement

December 14, 2010 11:31:50 PM

Despite enhanced trade and cooperation, India and China need to remove mutual suspicions peacefully to move ahead, says CP Bhambhri

If India’s response to China’s policy announcements, pronouncements or actions is guided by a simplistic or ideologically driven analysis, then it will be counterproductive. India-China relationship is not determined by the single factor of security and strategic consideration, but other factors of mutual interest as well. Apart from being largest trade partners, India and China meet quite frequently, being members of BRIC, to discuss problems of mutual interest.

China’s first foreign policy goal is to assert its new-found economic and military power while dealing with the US. Its state actors are quite conscious of their new status in world affairs. The Americans had to plead for Chinese intervention in the recent Korean peninsula stand off because without China’s restraining power over North Korea, the conflict between the two Koreas could lead to a devastating war. China considers itself not only a competitor but also capable of checkmating any expansionist or interventionist policies of America. It should not be forgotten that the US is not used to any such challenge from any country in the so-called ‘unipolar’ world. So it is difficult for the Americans to digest the new reality of power shift in favour of China. China’s priority is to contain American influence in world affairs and completely change the balance of global power from America-dominated world to multi-polar global system where it can act as a strong counterveiling force while dealing with the US. India-China bilateral relationship has to be contextualised by keeping in mind that China is focussed on containing the US, especially in Asia, and in its strategic calculation India occupies a central place.

China targeted India in the 1950s and 1960s because it started perceiving India as anti-China following the granting of asylum to Dalai Lama. Thus, the bilateral relationship after the 1962 India-China war was completely frozen till 1970s. Such a situation benefitted Pakistan the most. Pakistan’s active engagement with China got an impetus when it facilitated the secret visit of Mr Henry Kissinger and Mr Richard Nixon to China in the early 1970s.

The special relationship between the two countries has further cemented because Pakistan has been benefiting from its dependence on China. China has helped in Pakistan’s military build-up, in enhancing its nuclear power capabilities, and it has sided with Pakistan on its Jammu & Kashmir dispute with India. Not only Pakistan has seceded a part of Kashmir’s territory to China but also depends on its clandestine support to needle India on the issue of Jammu & Kashmir. It is not without reason that Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari during his latest visit to China observed that ‘coming to China is like home coming’ for him. On its part, China has also played the Pakistan card against India whenever it has felt necessary to restrict India.

This is one foreign policy reality that should directly affect India’s responses towards China. Pakistan can effectively influence China’s actions at the international fora. In the past, it had succeeded through China’s intervention in the UN Security Council to stop the international body from imposing sanctions against terrorist organisations like Jamaat-ud-Dawa’h of Hafiz Saeed.

Further, China is asserting its maritime rights especially in South China Sea. It is also building dams on the Brahmaputra river from the side of Tibet and India is worried about the water issues which can emerge after the dams have been constructed. India is a lower riparian state and expects the Chinese to safeguard water interests while constructing dams on Brahmaputra.

Apart from the boundary issue that continues to divide the two neighbours, there are some serious doubts among the Indians about China’s South Asia policy and China reciprocates the same feelings of suspicion towards India. China suspects that American-Indian axis is emerging to contain its rising influence in Asia. On the other hand, India, a victim of state-sponsored terrorism, finds China’s support to Pakistan on Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorist groups is aimed at destabilising India. Though China has never supported Pakistan military in its wars against India, but it definitely enjoys a special relationship with Pakistan.

Though Prime Minsiter Manmohan Singh has publicly tried to remove Chinese doubts by asserting that ‘there is enough space in the world for these two big countries’, the two countries still have to deal with some complex issues to move ahead. India-China relationship cannot be seen with binary perspective because many inter-dependencies exist between these two neighbours. Since these two countries have to co-exist as neighbours, diplomacy should never become a tool in the hands of committed ideologues who see things only in black and white. China and India, being two rising powers in Asia, should bring their relationship to a level where differences could be resolved around the table and mutual suspicions could be removed peacefully. In anticipation of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao’s visit, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao has correctly stated on December 4, 2010 that ‘we need an ambitious agenda for engagement’.
 
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