Why China won't allow a Russian defeat in Ukraine no matter what it takes

[OIO]

If Russia is defeated in Ukraine this will embolden the Americans to fortify countries bordering China just like east europe because they will have alot of momentum at that point and will try to repeat same formula there. The Americans will deploy big time to the chinese borders such as in South Korea, Japan, Guam and even Taiwan.

Hence why China can't allow a Putin defeat in Ukraine and one of my predictions is that the conflict will drag on for few more years where the Russians will gain the upper hand and Also Iran will get more involved with unsanctioned militias from next year and embedded into Wagner group and they will do it secretly with deniability but people will know despite Iran denying it.

China open the door for Iran to focus solely on Ukraine and aid Russia in avoiding stragetic defeat which could have later on bad consequences for the chinese.

But in any case the Russians will rally and gain the victory because giving the US a stragetic defeat is atmost important and critical for the interests of China and Russia.

Why the Iranians will have no other option but to throw everything into this is because they are NEXT if the US gains victory here hence they will throw cannon fodders in hope of delaying or avoid all together Ukrainian victory/West victory

China should draw a red line for NATO not to provide Ukraine with offensive weapons.

 

[OIO]

China dont have capability to counter the west. sooner or later russia will back off.

USA is slowly arming all Chinese neighbours by showing what russia doing. From Japan to phillipines to australia. Soon EU will de couple from china too if it cross the line.

You're assuming that China and Russia can only sit at home and wait for the US to cause trouble around them.

 

[mmr]

Chinese products will chase out EU products in most developing countries' markets. Chinese EV cars are ready for export. If EU decouples China, it means it will lose direct export to China and indirect export to other countries(Chinese products containing EU parts). The only markets left for EU are US, Japan and some other pro-west countries. The problem is, EU, US, Japan's industries are pretty much overlapped. I don't see a bright future for EU if it jumps on US bus.

The ultimate problem for EU: China will be able to produce more and more products that used to be dominated by EU. Can EU products compete with Chinese products in developing countries?

UP To 75 percent of EU export within EU.

They will do just fine. China knows it cant cross the line. last thing china needs EU become TOTAL hostile to China. If china does help russia directly then it will be dream come true for USA.

You're assuming that China and Russia can only sit at home and wait for the US to cause trouble around them.

Thats already happening. I dont see china or russia has any army base near USA lmao. not even one. How many military base USA has around china? or USA friendly countries. and its only growing.

and russia lmao. even finalnd and sweden joining NATO.

 

[kankan326]

UP To 75 percent of EU export within EU.

They will do just fine. China knows it cant cross the line. last thing china needs EU become TOTAL hostile to China. If china does help russia directly then it will be dream come true for USA.

If we see EU as an economic entity. The 75% export can not be called as "export". And I don't believe all EU countries will decouple with China.

Again, if EU is willing to sacrifice its economy for security, so is China.

 

[beijingwalker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1638140999716274177

The US has already achieved a strategic victory in Ukraine.

Even with the help of all your "allies" and even hijacked UN, you still lost Korean and Vietnam wars.

 

[SaadH]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1638140999716274177

The US has already achieved a strategic victory in Ukraine.

Only tactical victory. Russia's strategic assets are still intact and in fact will be bolstered post Ukraine war. In fact US and the rest of the western block has lost strategically by getting China and Russia closer with renewed urgency to stand up their rival block.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

In fact US and the rest of the western block has lost strategically by getting China and Russia closer with renewed urgency to stand up their rival block.

Aren't you forgetting about China's vaunted Belt&Road going down the drain with EU mistrust?

So now the roads end in Moscow and Istanbul?

 

[nahtanbob]

Chinese products will chase out EU products in most developing countries' markets. Chinese EV cars are ready for export. If EU decouples China, it means it will lose direct export to China and indirect export to other countries(Chinese products containing EU parts). The only markets left for EU are US, Japan and some other pro-west countries. The problem is, EU, US, Japan's industries are pretty much overlapped. I don't see a bright future for EU if it jumps on US bus.

The ultimate problem for EU: China will be able to produce more and more products that used to be dominated by EU. Can EU products compete with Chinese products in developing countries?

The EU can kick you out of their market. They can join with USA

Aren't you forgetting about China's vaunted Belt&Road going down the drain with EU mistrust?

So now the roads end in Moscow and Istanbul?

you won't see the CCP bots farting about how much time they save sending stuff over land

 

[beijingwalker]

The EU can kick you out of their market. They can join with USA



you won't see the CCP bots farting about how much time they save sending stuff over land

lol, can they? when? and when would US kick China out of US market?

 

[kankan326]

The EU can kick you out of their market. They can join with USA

1, Do you guys think US and EU markets are so important for China? They are only important when dollar and Euro can buy everyting from any country without any risk. Russia sanctions told us dollar and Euro are not qualified as world currencies. They are west political tools. If Chinese Yuan can also buy everything from other countries in the future, why would we bother exporting goods to earn dollars and Euro?

2. Businesses between US and EU are ongoing now. It's not like US market will suddenly become bigger to replace China's consumption power when EU decouples China.

 

[beijingwalker]

1, Do you guys think US and EU markets are so important for China? They are only important when dollar and Euro can buy everyting from any country without any risk. Russia sanctions told us dollar and Euro are not qualified as world currencies. They are west political tools. If Chinese Yuan can also buy everything from other countries in the future, why would we bother exporting goods to earn dollars and Euro?

2. Businessese between US and EU are ongoing now. It's not like US market will suddenly become bigger to replace China's consumption power when EU decouples China.

EU and US will immediately get a one way ticket to the third world if taking China out of their wealth maintaining equation.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Surprisingly Putin was quite confident that everything is under control and didn't ask for any help from Xi on his visit, that alone should tell you something about the battlefield.

I was honestly under the impression that Russia was in a much more dire situation but clearly it is not.

 

[kankan326]

EU and US will immediately get a one way ticket to the third world if taking China out of their wealth maintaining equation.

Not sure EU and US will become third world countries. But at least they will pay 2x or 3x cost for daily goods. The labor cost will increase futher. So EU will face higher labor cost +higher energy cost+ higher materials and parts(for non-Chinese source) cost + remarkably shrinking market. EU's industries are really hard to survive. US will have worse inflation. But overall the situation is not as bad as EU.

 

[beijingwalker]

Not sure EU and US will become third world countries. But at least they will pay 2x or 3x cost for daily goods. The labor cost will increase futher. So EU will face higher labor cos +higher energy cost+ higher materials and parts(for non-Chinese source) cost + remarkably shrinking market. EU's industries are really hard to survive. US will have worse inflation. But overall the situation is not as bad as EU.

A whole lot of products now are only made in China, nowhere else they can be bought, if EU and US like to pay the transit fee ban buy them from third countries, it's not China's concern

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[OIO]

Surprisingly Putin was quite confident that everything is under control and didn't ask for any help from Xi on his visit, that alone should tell you something about the battlefield.

I was honestly under the impression that Russia was in a much more dire situation but clearly it is not.

Russia's financial and economic stability remained, and the United States failed to achieve its strategic goals.

The performance of Russia's conventional weapons is indeed unsatisfactory, and there has been no progress since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Problems occurred in the EU society before Russia, and the attitude of the leaders of EU countries has changed, so time is still on Russia's side.