Why China Doesn't See India As a Threat

[ChineseTiger1986]

That's why India is only relevant being a pawn to another great power. India has never been relevant due to its own power.

China doesn't take India as a threat because India is not even worthy of being even mentioned in the same breath as China, Russia, US.

China only even thinks about India if India allies with US. This has implications for the rivalry between China and US. That's the only time China even gives two hoots about that backward country.

India will not be taken seriously until they start to get an independent foreign policy and not be a pawn of foreign powers.

It is hard, as the nature for the Indian people is to buy rather than to make.

Why you have to make your own components when you can buy it from the western countries?

Back in 1960s, when all other Asian countries were choosing to have the US as its sugar daddy, China has chosen its independent path to make its own nukes, its own rocket, its own nuclear sub.

Naturally, it is hard to subdue the Chinese people. That's why most Chinese people have chosen CPC over KMT, even we knew very clearly that we would lose all the financial aid from the US as the cost.

Except CPC's China, all Asian nations want to have a sugar daddy instead of working on their own.

 

[Beidou2020]

It is hard, as the nature for the Indian people is to buy rather than to make.

Why you have to make your own components when you can buy it from the western countries?

Back in 1960s, when all other Asian countries were choosing to have the US as its sugar daddy, China has chosen its independent path to make its own nukes, its own rocket, its own nuclear sub.

Naturally, it is hard to subdue the Chinese people. That's why all most Chinese people have chosen CPC over KMT, even we knew very clearly that we would lose all the financial aid from the US as the cost.

Except CPC's China, all Asian nations want to have a sugar daddy instead of working on their own.

China is the only Asian country that has a proper independent foreign policy. The rest of them are just pawns and happy being that.

Indians are generally some of the laziest people you will ever meet. They want handouts, hard work is not part of Indian culture. Indians are more interested in religious fantasies and boasting than working hard. This is why East Asia will always be ahead of South Asia.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China is the only Asian country that has a proper independent foreign policy. The rest of them are just pawns and happy being that.

Indians are generally some of the laziest people you will ever meet. They want handouts, hard work is not part of Indian culture. Indians are more interested in religious fantasies and boasting than working hard. This is why East Asia will always be ahead of South Asia.

Yep, even Japan was becoming a part of the US technological ecosystem after the WWII.

That's why they can make some decent automobiles and electronics when living under this ecosystem.

However, when on the heavily restricted area set by the US such as the military industrial complex, Japan has to work on their own, and their capability is like a toddler comparing to China's.

That's the different between the nation with an independent sovereignty and a nation who serves as a pawn.

India also lacks the true sovereignty, that's why all their nukes are still dirty bombs.

Imagine, even a traditional western power like Britain needed the help from the US to make their own H-bomb, then I don't know how far India is going to make it.

 

[Beidou2020]

Yep, even Japan was becoming a part of the US technological ecosystem after the WWII.

That's why they can make some decent automobiles and electronics when living under this ecosystem.

However, when on the heavily restricted area set by the US such as the military industrial complex, Japan has to work on their own, and their capability is like a toddler comparing to China's.

That's the different between the nation with an independent sovereignty and a nation who serves as a pawn.

India also lacks the true sovereignty, that's why all their nukes are still dirty bombs.

Imagine, even a traditional western power like Britain needed the help from the US to make their own H-bomb, then I don't know how far India is going to make it.

Very true. Japan is not only a pawn, but shamefully its very happy being a pawn. Country that has no pride and honour in its own independence and sovereignty, will get no respect.

Indian power is from the mouth, not from actual capability.

Even their moon and mars missions got direct help from NASA. I'm sure even Somalia could do that if they got help from NASA.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Very true. Japan is not only a pawn, but shamefully its very happy being a pawn. Country that has no pride and honour in its own independence and sovereignty, will get no respect.

Indian power is from the mouth, not from actual capability.

Even their moon and mars missions got direct help from NASA. I'm sure even Somalia could do that if they got help from NASA.

To read a solution is very different when it was solved by your own.

India has imported too many different military technologies and components with the different specs, that's why it is so hard to put them together.

That's why it even took them more than 12 years to make a single destroyer, and it is also disastrous for their supply line to handle so many different weapons.

 

[third eye]

ndians are generally some of the laziest people you will ever meet. They want handouts, hard work is not part of Indian culture. Indians are more interested in religious fantasies and boasting than working hard.

Yep, even Japan was becoming a part of the US technological ecosystem after the WWII.

That's why they can make some decent automobiles and electronics when living under this ecosystem.

Can you guys take your tea time chatter some place else please ?

 

[Sliver]

China is the only Asian country that has a proper independent foreign policy. The rest of them are just pawns and happy being that.

Indians are generally some of the laziest people you will ever meet. They want handouts, hard work is not part of Indian culture. Indians are more interested in religious fantasies and boasting than working hard. This is why East Asia will always be ahead of South Asia.

If you had put Pakistan in the place of India, that statement will hold good perfectly. So do you have similar opinion about Pakistan? surely they are more interested in religious fantasies and require a lot of handouts!

Back to the Topic:
India a lumbering country and has a lot of work on. China, for all intents and purposes has already arrived. It is unfair to compare China with India, as it is to compare India with Pakistan. The three asian countries are perfect examples of how the trajectories for growth and fulfillment differ when you take different paths.

For most people outside of the Asian continent, China is a big economic power but it is starting to show its muscle, India is not really a power but it does project soft power and is considered a more friendlier place for its own people that China is (but this in itself is not a big factor).

The point of view for USA may not be to "contain" china by using India it could merely be to put China in a more tangled regional disputes - with Japan, China, Vietnam, Phillipines. More like how China wants to tangle India with use of Pakistan, SL and maybe BD.

And also, it need not be a complete tangle - but leaving you with a slight headache that is too less to deal with directly but big enough to trickle a part of your resources is a good enough strategy.

 

[third eye]

This point is debatable. Yes, India has maintained an apparently independent foreign policy largely due to the sense of victimization and hence maintaining a diplomatic distance to the West and chose to stay close to USSR instead (not formal ally though very close). However since the fall of USSR, it is also observed that there is an eager to be accepted by the West especially among its elite public, as similarly observed in Turkey, even in Russia during the Yeltsin period. Now the question is, though the West wouldn't accept India whole-heartedly, but it would be pragmatic for the West to woo India into a containment of China, and such action would be welcome by India to satisfy its eagerness to be accepted by the West.

India's policy has always been - India first.

India has never allied with anyone nor ever will. Every engagement is transactional devoid of emotions ( higher than the mountains type) . Each case taken on its merits.There was a time when the USSR was relevant , we needed stuff on credit.Now, we can buy and would like to make it in India.

It does not matter if the West accepts India whole heartedly as suggested.

India is also acutely aware of the game being played out and the attempts to fire the gun off Indian shoulders. Unlike other nations in the region India has not allowed transit or physical presence on its land.

The major difference between back then & now is that we needed credit now we dont so our stance & alignment changes.

Think Globally - act locally.

 

[Sliver]

@third eye
USA does not really need India's boots on the ground. In fact no need to fire using India's shoulders.
China never put a man on the ground, never really involved directly on a conflict between India and Pakistan, but had given support to Pakistan to give a head ache to India without having to do any of the heavy lifting.

 

[third eye]

@third eye
USA does not really need India's boots on the ground. In fact no need to fire using India's shoulders.
China never put a man on the ground, never really involved directly on a conflict between India and Pakistan, but had given support to Pakistan to give a head ache to India without having to do any of the heavy lifting.

Appreciate your point.

What I wanted to convey is that India like any other nation is acutely aware of two things - There is no finality in international relations & second , the need to control the environment which can best happen from within by being inside a system provided a nation's economy is on sound footing.

I am not sure of the part in bold above.

That's why most Chinese people have chosen CPC over KMT

Was there a choice ?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Was there a choice ?

Sure, CPC wouldn't last long if they didn't have the support of the Chinese people.

KMT got all the supply from the US, while they had even persuaded USSR to remain neutral.

 

[third eye]

Sure, CPC wouldn't last long if they didn't have the support of the Chinese people.

KMT got all the supply from the US, while they had even persuaded USSR to remain neutral.

Well.. well , it would lead to derailing of this thread.

Maybe we could discuss this someplace else.

 

[vsdave2302]

To perceive someone to be a threat is a function of the relative economic power, military power, relation between the two countries, conflict of interest and the role the country foresee for them in world or region.
So naturally china do not have much to concern for India but India certainly can not have that relaxation. China is economically and militarily powerful to India and India do not have any hegemonic design for china or other part of region, Naturally china shall not consider india as threat.

 

[Tractor]

This is the atlas of China pubilished in 1960.

 

[northeast]

Either you are militarily super aggressive or you are indeed very powerful，then you will be seen as a threat.Neither india is，so we don't see india as a threat.