Why China didn't take 'Tibet's five fingers' for so many decades?

[MH.Yang]

Why did China attack in 1962 then only to withdraw after the war? And why did they attack Tibet in 1950 and faced worldwide condemnation? You say that China doesn't have a direct hard policy. Why have they forced Dalai Lama into exile then? Dalai Lama is a Nobel laureate for peace.

In 1962, we quickly destroyed the Indian army for the following purposes:
1. The forward policy of the Indian border defense forces angered the Chinese govt. The Chinese govt believes that Indians must fully understand the strength gap between the two sides.
2. To combat Nehru's reputation so that he did not have enough prestige to integrate the whole of India. It prevents India from having a strong central government.
3. Destroy India's international reputation and avoid India becoming the leader of the third world.

Why do we withdraw after victory?
Because the war has entered November, the Himalayas will cut off the supply of our troops in winter. Secondly, the Cuban missile crisis has been resolved, and the Soviet Union has the ability to threaten China's borders

 

[serenity]

Because they only got one finger from India for their claims

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This is what India received from China after India claimed Aksai Chin and still has not received Aksai Chin and never will.

 

[serenity]

This narrative is ascribed to Mao, but I am not sure of it's veracity. But, traditionally, China has recognized sovereignty of India over Sikkim. China considers Nepal and Bhutan as sovereign states. China's claim on Arunachal Pradesh (erstwhile NEFA) is merely a counterpoise to India's claim on Aksai Chin. Therefore, Chou Enlai, in 1960, offered to Nehru a "swap", which he rejected. In spite of that, China withdrew it's forces from NEFA, after capturing it, in 1962 War. China's policy, at that time, was not to stress upon historical claims, but to settle boundary issues, predominantly, based upon actual administrative control. This was emphasized by Chou Enlai, in many of his statements.

What is China's policy now, I don't know. It is somewhat vague, as I gather it.

You are well versed with the history of this.

China recognized India's sovereignty over Sikkim for some reason but India wasn't antagonistic as Modi India is. Even Nehru India at least limited the conflict to Aksai Chin only, from which China eventually officially responded to India by making a claim on some small parts of Arunachal Pradesh.

China still in the past during that time and even to this day recognize Assam as India.

Never has China made a claim on all of Nepal, Bhutan, and Assam as the poster suggested.

If India uses its huge army to attack and take over Aksai Chin, then China's claims on Arunachal will be mobilized in response. India has huge manpower next to Aksai Chin while Arunachal is close to China's military forces and the target is close to India's Chicken's Neck corridor.

It is a balance as you see and quite an elegant one. With India first threatening to take Aksai Chin from China in 1954 when Nehru simply said Aksai Chin is India's and decided to change maps, China responded with the claim on Arunachal. This way if India does take Aksai Chin, we can take Arunachal in response and if at war, take Assam by cutting India's Chicken's Neck.

Constant balance. If China tips scale towards its favor too much for example by keeping Aksai Chin as if does now AND also taking parts of Arunachal, it will have to be annoyed by the disbalance which will be in the form of constant warring with India over both Aksai Chin which they will still try to take and of course they will try to retake Arunachal.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

For decades China was biding its time and didn't want to be seen as an aggressor nation, and incur the wrath of Western/European powers. It was China's official policy set out by (I believe) Deng Xiaoping, an approach I have always thought Pakistan should take.

Wait, build your resources, build your connections and economic power, grow stronger both politically and economically, and once you've grown strong in those areas, start investing heavily in the military, because, at that point, no one can stop you. That's what China did, and is also why China never had a direct hard policy which advocated for an army with wide range offensive capabilities.

Pray tell me. Where did you read all this?

Please post here the list of links to such articles.

 

[That Guy]

Pray tell me. Where did you read all this?

Please post here the list of links to such articles.

All of what I wrote is pretty common knowledge. Deng Xiaoping was quoted to have said "Hide your strength, bide your time", and that was China national policy for the longest time, since he came to power.

Along with the three reforms, India's forward policy, and the Soviet-China split, you can pretty much figure it out. Just search these terms up on google.

 

[MH.Yang]

Pray tell me. Where did you read all this?

Please post here the list of links to such articles.

All of what I wrote is pretty common knowledge. Deng Xiaoping was quoted to have said "Hide your strength, bide your time", and that was China national policy for the longest time, since he came to power.

Along with the three reforms, India's forward policy, and the Soviet-China split, you can pretty much figure it out. Just search these terms up on google.

"Hide your strength, bide your time" is indeed a 20-year national policy formulated by Deng Xiaoping for China in 1990(after upheaval in Eastern Europe). I remember when I took the college entrance examination, my title of the composition in Chinese is called "bamboo". Before bamboo breaks through the earth, its roots will cover a large area of land. When it broke through the ground, there was nothing to stop it.

Hide your strength, bide your time

The guiding philosophy of PRC's foreign policy in the Deng Xiaoping era

m.wikidata.org

China likes to formulate national policies with a long time span, for example, Green Great Wall. It is a national policy formulated by China with 72 years.

Great Green Wall (China) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Green Great Wall:
From 1978 to 2050, we plan to spend 72 years planting trees in the northwest. The total area is 4.069 million square kilometers, with about 530 billion trees.
Now the Mu Us desert has been destroyed by us. The desert in the northwest is decreasing rapidly.

 

[retaxis]

Pray tell me. Where did you read all this?

Please post here the list of links to such articles.

you should do your own research instead of asking dumb questions.

 

[SIPRA]

you should do your own research instead of asking dumb questions.

Yeh banda "chaskay" laeta hae.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

All of what I wrote is pretty common knowledge. Deng Xiaoping was quoted to have said "Hide your strength, bide your time", and that was China national policy for the longest time, since he came to power.

Along with the three reforms, India's forward policy, and the Soviet-China split, you can pretty much figure it out. Just search these terms up on google.

you should do your own research instead of asking dumb questions.

Yeh banda "chaskay" laeta hae.

It seems either Deng Xiaoping's successors stopped executing his strategy or they have done a bad job of it. I can think of 4-5 points. The actual list may be longer.

1. Allowed India to tighten grip on Kashmir.

2. Allowed India to clear the problem of naxalism/maoism.

3. Lost a useful ally of Pakistan by starting CPEC.

4. The corona virus propaganda created a bad impression about China on an entire generation of Americans. Regardless of whether the propaganda is true or false, China allowed it to happen.

5. Good relationship with Russia mean nothing. Russia is a wild card. It's support might swing any way. An example is World War 2.

6. Last but not the least. China did a bad job of keeping the 'Hide & bide' strategy a secret. I googled and felt that this supposedly confidential notion is an open knowledge.

 

[SIPRA]

It seems either Deng Xiaoping's successors stopped executing his strategy or they have done a bad job of it. I can think of 4-5 points. The actual list may be longer.

1. Allowed India to tighten grip on Kashmir.

2. Allowed India to clear the problem of naxalism/maoism.

3. Lost a useful ally of Pakistan by starting CPEC.

4. The corona virus propaganda created a bad impression about China on an entire generation of Americans. Regardless of whether the propaganda is true or false, China allowed it to happen.

5. Good relationship with Russia mean nothing. Russia is a wild card. It's support might swing any way. An example is World War 2.

6. Last but not the least. China did a bad job of keeping the 'Hide & bide' strategy a secret. I googled and felt that this supposedly confidential notion is an open knowledge.

Achhi bongiyan maari haen. Mogambo khush hua.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Achhi bongiyan maari haen. Mogambo khush hua.

Ye kehke suspense bana diya. Hum inn sab baaton se unacquainted hai. Batao kya galat kaha? Ya phir kya miss kiya?
Scratching my head.

 

[SIPRA]

Ye kehke suspense bana diya. Hum inn sab baaton se unacquainted hai. Batao kya galat kaha? Ya phir kya miss kiya?
Scratching my head.

"Lagay raho Munna Bhai"

 

[Deltadart]

For decades China was biding its time and didn't want to be seen as an aggressor nation, and incur the wrath of Western/European powers. It was China's official policy set out by (I believe) Deng Xiaoping, an approach I have always thought Pakistan should take.

Wait, build your resources, build your connections and economic power, grow stronger both politically and economically, and once you've grown strong in those areas, start investing heavily in the military, because, at that point, no one can stop you. That's what China did, and is also why China never had a direct hard policy which advocated for an army with wide range offensive capabilities.

It's not in our blood bro. We have to boast about every little thing, something like our fascist vedic Hindu neighbor. We can't lay low, and do what you mentioned above. Besides, it will all depend on us getting our act together, and function as a cohesive nation with the clear cut goals and objectives. However, it won't be possible until we can get rid of the scoundrel politicians, and have all the institutions work within their defined limits. Until then there is no hope.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Last time an empire from China attacked the five fingers was in 18th century between 1735–1796

Ten Great Campaigns

Sino-Nepalese War

Qing empire was built by Manchu people who enslaved native Hans

Do hans have the geo-political acumen of their Manchu enslavers?, doesn't seem so since Qing empire was largest empire by geography in Chinese history, no Han empire can compare to this.

The Geo-political setting in that time was in Qing favor, Qing empire did not face any major threats in its surrounding like below -

During this time, subcontinent empires were busy fighting the British
Anglo-Maratha Wars

Threat from neighboring Russia did not exist until 1858
Amur Annexation

Threat from colonial trouble makers like Britain and France didn't exist
Sino-French War
Opium Wars

Threat from neighboring Japanese did not exist
First Sino-Japanese War

Threat from colonial Americans, Italians, Germans, Austrians, Hungarians did not exist
Eight-Nation Alliance

Reviewing this in 2022 context
For PRC threat from Russia, Japan, USA and India continues to exist today
AUKUS ensures British role in future conflicts in East Asia
If NATO gets involved you can count minor role of Italians, Germans, Hungarians and France too

Only nation missing out is Austria

PRC will need to subdue USA, Japan, Russia and India all simultaneously for starters before it can look on five fingers

This currently seems an impossible task, but with support from cheerleader corps from the west, this can be achieved

Also to add

attempts to take Ladakh in 1841 ended in failure
Dogra–Tibetan War


Attempts to consolidate Arunachal Pradesh in 1962 failed

Sikkim was lost to India 1975

Attempts to nibble Bhutanese territory in 2017 was unsuccessful
2017 China–India border standoff

 

[MH.Yang]

It seems either Deng Xiaoping's successors stopped executing his strategy or they have done a bad job of it. I can think of 4-5 points. The actual list may be longer.

1. Allowed India to tighten grip on Kashmir.

2. Allowed India to clear the problem of naxalism/maoism.

3. Lost a useful ally of Pakistan by starting CPEC.

4. The corona virus propaganda created a bad impression about China on an entire generation of Americans. Regardless of whether the propaganda is true or false, China allowed it to happen.

5. Good relationship with Russia mean nothing. Russia is a wild card. It's support might swing any way. An example is World War 2.

6. Last but not the least. China did a bad job of keeping the 'Hide & bide' strategy a secret. I googled and felt that this supposedly confidential notion is an open knowledge.

I'm sorry. I don't think an Indian is qualified to evaluate the China's policy. Because China has never formulated national policies against India.