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Why Aurangzeb and Mahmud Ghazni are heroes in Pakistan but villains in India

In fact, Hindus annihilated Buddhism from its land of birth. Refer the below thread...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/buddhism-declined-or-brutalized-in-the-land-of-its-birth.509885/

Being the Great Maratha, you should have known, that the Great Marathas of previous centuries destroyed many a temple in Bengal and Mysore, the most famous of them being the Sringeri Mutt.

The greatest Maratha of them all, Shivaji, was no exception. His campaign in Raigad against the Mores let to the destruction of the town, the fort, and gasp, the temples!!!

Here is some more reading material for you....

https://scroll.in/article/767065/war-trophies-when-hindu-kings-raided-temples-and-abducted-idols

These Sanghis, Bhakts and Chaddi Dhaaris have a strong inclination towards a very selective reading of the history, particularly with respect to the past Muslim rulers of India, whichever suits their narrative and propaganda.
 
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I have no problem with what Muslim rulers did, they did nothing to my people. We are just pointing out what they did.

You have said multiple times that he was a religious fanatic and his rule was especially harsh. You try and conveniently romantize the Hindu rulers and other non-muslims while comparing them to Muslims. Now you are changing your point of view.

Again my question is what is your problem with jizya and the killing of traitors to the state? Why is Aurgenzeb any different than the other 1000s of non-Hindu rulers that have ruled India for centuries? or even the Hindus that had limited rein within India.

We are clearly seeing what Hindus do when they get into power. So I am not surprised that you want to present an alternative view of history that is conveniently supportive of your point of view today.
 
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Simple explanation.
Well its a fact that the invaders r made larger thn life n regarded as maibaap heroes in Pakistan(ofcourse as long as they r muslims)
Why,,,its simple,,just like bhayya India,,they have absolutely nothng to show for thr super phattu ancestors,perhaps more so,coz they converted to thr tormentors religion)
Where as Bhayyas here(although managed to keep thr traditions alive without totally succumbing to foreigners)want to take revenge of the milleniums of humiliation.
 
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I think is more like Stockholm syndrome. The Pakistanis glorify these invaders and celebrate their victories against the infidels while they forget that these Buddhist and hind infidels were their ancestors. So basically they are like the black African who is happy that his/her ancestors were enslaved because they were brought to Jesus. Or the native Americans who celebrate the European colonization of their lands because it brought them civilization. So basically Pakistanis celebrate the people who slaughtered their ancestors.

You summed it up perfectly lets hope that mod who calls himself Eagle doesn't come and ban you. :lol:
 
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You summed it up perfectly lets hope that mod who calls himself Eagle doesn't come and ban you. :lol:
Nothing I said violate the forums rule but you know a lot of these Islamists live in other world.
 
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Nothing I said violate the forums rule but you know a lot of these Islamists live in other world.

I got banned twice within a month lol once I know it was my fault however the other time I got banned for merely asking questions how its okay to persecute and kill minorities in Muslim countries yet Muslims cry about evil west this evil west that while lining up to get into the same Western countries. :lol:
 
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I got banned twice within a month lol once I know it was my fault however the other time I got banned for merely asking questions how its okay to persecute and kill minorities in Muslim countries yet Muslims cry about evil west this evil west that while lining up to get into the same Western countries. :lol:
They bark at islamophopia in the west yet Christians in some Muslim countries can’t even fix old churches lol.
 
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the hindutva phenomenon was created by the british and the door of mehmud ghaznavi tom was plundered during british afghan campaigns and displayed in india to increase hindutva sentiments against the muslims. There was an ingrained hindutva phenomenon even before the british called brahmanism but that was relatively unpopular, it is true that the mughals did discriminate but their discrimination was restricted to all the muslim and non muslim populations of india, for instance their offices were only taken by turanis and the persians, not even native indian muslims.

Aurangzeb was evil but if you go with hindutva narrative not any muslim king is perticularly good as well, they are all considered evil, the hindutva narrative is nationalistic so you cannot take any history lessons from such sentimental narrative.

The congress tries to equate hindutva nationalists with muslim league and the parties which presented concept of islamic nationalism, this i think is very misplaced, although muslim league did strive for muslim empowerment, but that did not accompany the extremist hindutva type islamic nationalist phenomenon, muslim league never strive to fanaticize its muslim populations, the muslim league never empowered moulvis for instance, so the congress narrative equating hindutva with muslim league phenomenon is just a political tool played by them to show how hindutva BJP is basically their political equivalent of muslim league/pakistan, their former rivals.

As shown in the article that several congress members infact used hindutva phenomenon and somnath mandir is one example, another one is putting idols in babri mosque also perpetrated y the congress leaders, so congress itself was not devoid of hindutvas themselves. a big reason for partition to have taken place.

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I think is more like Stockholm syndrome. The Pakistanis glorify these invaders and celebrate their victories against the infidels while they forget that these Buddhist and hind infidels were their ancestors. So basically they are like the black African who is happy that his/her ancestors were enslaved because they were brought to Jesus. Or the native Americans who celebrate the European colonization of their lands because it brought them civilization. So basically Pakistanis celebrate the people who slaughtered their ancestors.
What a load of horse shit.

Pakistanis celebrate anyone who degrades or destroys Hindutva and its ability to function. Hindutva is the phenomenon that gleefully excuses shelling civilian homes on the ceasefire line if they are Muslim, raping Muslim minors, destroying Muslim mosques, using lethal force or pellet guns against protesters who are Muslim (also, see who is being beaten by RSS hit mobs in the circulating videos from recent protests, even though there is broad participation in the protests from non-Muslims), advocating rape and murder if the victim is Muslim. Pakistan and its armed forces take no joy from war and try to target the military only. This difference in mindset seems lost on you.

As for aurangzeb and ghazni, these names trigger inferiority complexes among Hindutva lovers, hence Pakistanis repeat such names regularly. A Bollywood actor called his son Timur not long ago, which irked Hindutva types also.

So as well as Pakistanis, some Indians will even invoke these names, triggering Hindutva in the process. It does actually create a hilarious reaction in the Hindutva pipsqueaks, running around in circles panicking like chickens, screaming as they do about f16s, Islam, revenge revenge revenge rape rape rape, and all sorts.

Notwithstanding the names themselves, some Hindus in the remote villages of India would actually benefit from an eradication of brahminism altogether. Cow urine drinking, child sacrifice, all sorts of animal abuse by torturing them for bizarre ritualistic purposes, mistreatment of Dalits and so on would vanish overnight if aurangzeb or ghazni had finished the job.

Put simply, if it wasn't for the mughals and other Muslim invaders, we'd all be stuck in such a grim cycle of despair.

These Brahmins are hardly comparable to native Americans or Africans. They would in fact be the first to enslave them or rape them. Brahmins would dalitise such peoples.

In fact, if native Americans had a Brahmin-type class within their hierarchy that abused other native Americans, (dalit kids get murdered for shitttin in the wrong place for God sake), then I would say many native Americans would gladly side with any invaders who controlled such local oppressors. Why do you think it was so easy for numerically inferior Muslim invaders to subdue a massively large Hindu population? It was extremely easy for mughals or the British or anyone else to exploit such a fractured society, where lower classes were more than happy to have Brahmins subdued and replaced by a better imperial ruler under whom they at least had a chance. Dalits back then and even now remain the biggest source of conversions to Islam, Christianity, or any damn thing to escape the wretched cycle of crap cleaning and watching your children aspire to be crap cleaners.

So yeah, I'm very pleased about the mughals, each and every one of them. They were liberators, some brutal, some not, but still liberators.
 
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What a load of horse shit.

Pakistanis celebrate anyone who degrades or destroys Hindutva and its ability to function. Hindutva is the phenomenon that gleefully excuses shelling civilian homes on the ceasefire line if they are Muslim, raping Muslim minors, destroying Muslim mosques, using lethal force or pellet guns against protesters who are Muslim (also, see who is being beaten by RSS hit mobs in the circulating videos from recent protests, even though there is broad participation in the protests from non-Muslims), advocating rape and murder if the victim is Muslim. Pakistan and its armed forces take no joy from war and try to target the military only. This difference in mindset seems lost on you.

As for aurangzeb and ghazni, these names trigger inferiority complexes among Hindutva lovers, hence Pakistanis repeat such names regularly. A Bollywood actor called his son Timur not long ago, which irked Hindutva types also.

So as well as Pakistanis, some Indians will even invoke these names, triggering Hindutva in the process. It does actually create a hilarious reaction in the Hindutva pipsqueaks, running around in circles panicking like chickens, screaming as they do about f16s, Islam, revenge revenge revenge rape rape rape, and all sorts.

Notwithstanding the names themselves, some Hindus in the remote villages of India would actually benefit from an eradication of brahminism altogether. Cow urine drinking, child sacrifice, all sorts of animal abuse by torturing them for bizarre ritualistic purposes, mistreatment of Dalits and so on would vanish overnight if aurangzeb or ghazni had finished the job.

Put simply, if it wasn't for the mughals and other Muslim invaders, we'd all be stuck in such a grim cycle of despair.

These Brahmins are hardly comparable to native Americans or Africans. They would in fact be the first to enslave them or rape them. Brahmins would dalitise such peoples.

In fact, if native Americans had a Brahmin-type class within their hierarchy that abused other native Americans, (dalit kids get murdered for shitttin in the wrong place for God sake), then I would say many native Americans would gladly side with any invaders who controlled such local oppressors. Why do you think it was so easy for numerically inferior Muslim invaders to subdue a massively large Hindu population? It was extremely easy for mughals or the British or anyone else to exploit such a fractured society, where lower classes were more than happy to have Brahmins subdued and replaced by a better imperial ruler under whom they at least had a chance. Dalits back then and even now remain the biggest source of conversions to Islam, Christianity, or any damn thing to escape the wretched cycle of crap cleaning and watching your children aspire to be crap cleaners.

So yeah, I'm very pleased about the mughals, each and every one of them. They were liberators, some brutal, some not, but still liberators.
A lot of what you said is nonsense because I am talking not about hindutva but about the brutal invaders who killed your ancestors and all of the sudden you glorifying them. As for the caste system yes indeed it sucks and it was one of the main reasons why money converted to Islam because they couldn’t find equality in Hinduism. Also why you didn’t mention the local religions and Buddhism which were exist in modern day Pakistan and not only Hinduism.
 
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A lot of what you said is nonsense because I am talking not about hindutva but about the brutal invaders who killed your ancestors and all of the sudden you glorifying them. As for the caste system yes indeed it sucks and it was one of the main reasons why money converted to Islam because they couldn’t find equality in Hinduism. Also why you didn’t mention the local religions and Buddhism which were exist in modern day Pakistan and not only Hinduism.

invasion is always brutal whether it was done by the muslims or the hindus, pakistan was infact carved out of non muslim invasion, when marathas and khalsa empire pushed the afghan backed durranis from Punjab/india and back to kabul valley, to say that Pakistanis have stockholm syndrome of an invasion which happened thousand years ago is just a misguided reality, do you know any thing about ''stockholm syndrome'', its actually about the hostage feeling sympathy and siding with his kidnapper or terrorist, so it deals with a living scenario not a long bygone event from a millennium ago.

regards
 
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A lot of what you said is nonsense because I am talking not about hindutva but about the brutal invaders who killed your ancestors and all of the sudden you glorifying them. As for the caste system yes indeed it sucks and it was one of the main reasons why money converted to Islam because they couldn’t find equality in Hinduism. Also why you didn’t mention the local religions and Buddhism which were exist in modern day Pakistan and not only Hinduism.
I've said this before to other posters. This concept of "glorifying the mughals as a sign of weakness or what you think is Stockholm syndrome (which it isn't anyway but that's another discussion)"....

To simply deny one's history because of its brutality is actually the immature response, and is borderline PTSD. All over the world, brutal invaders have attacked, displaced and pillaged. How is Persia any different? How is England any different? To accept and be proud of one's heritage is actually perfectly reasonable. Pure or protagonist races do not exist except in some Nazi manifesto, which is why Hindutva is so irked by the supposed "pollution" of its "sacred lands" by Muslims. Convenient indeed that Hindutva fails to mention how Aryans themselves were INVADERS and worshipped in Hinduism as invaders who brought supposed betterment to the land of India. Hence it is pure hypocrisy for modern Hindutva to have any conceptual problems with Mughal invasion, especially when that invasion ultimately improved the subcontinent. The only people who lost under the mughals were the Brahmin classes. Mughal India was a unified superpower. Yet Sanghees convince their kids it was a dark age of enslavement.

The hypocrisy doesnt end there. Let's not forget the eradication of Buddhism in India by the advancing Hindu religion, many times involving attacks against Buddhist sites and not merely absorption over time.

As for the ancestors of Pakistanis, it's impossible to say who is who without individual genetic maps. The general point remains, IF my ancestors converted out of hinduism into Islam because of or during the Mughal invasion, I suspect they jumped at the chance to escape from such an archaic primitive lifestyle to something better where there wasn't any sati, witchcraft or caste hierarchy holding them back. The Roman empire brought similar relief to pagan Europe. Sure, if my ancestors were Brahmins they would have had vested interests in remaining Hindu, but that would be the only scenario which is an exception.

India as a secular state had a glimmer of a chance. But as a Brahminic ideologically driven nation, it will collapse in the modern world that it finds itself in.
 
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A lot of what you said is nonsense because I am talking not about hindutva but about the brutal invaders who killed your ancestors and all of the sudden you glorifying them. As for the caste system yes indeed it sucks and it was one of the main reasons swhy money converted to Islam because they couldn’t find equality in Hinduism. Also why you didn’t mention the local religions and Buddhism which were exist in modern day Pakistan and not only Hinduism.

Buddhist/hind roughly 2500 years old, people of IVC and those before believed in something else. Well our ancestors used to raid, kill each other as well.Some came via invasions others gradually over the course of history including the first inhabitants.. Its stupid to respect all ancestors alike.we know likes of you who worship ancestors but its not in our dna..In case you want to know if we celebrate a non muslim ancestor , short answer is we didnt really have many to consider or if there was any he is lost in history as documented history doesn't go far or is fudged and its not a bias as Pakistanis of today have several non muslim legends they love and respect so why wouldnt we acknowledge someone in history.

Porus is one character who is admired in literary circles however we dont know much details about his battle against Alexander.We do understand locals pushed Alexanders army back esp. those from Malli(Multan) but Multan was not part of Porus's kingdom .Still Pakistanis honor him, like in the museum pic below.. Our ancestors fought from both sides btw (alexander and porus)..
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Oh! His crime was protecting Pandits and other minorities from forceful conversion, he didn't start any rebellion, he was a preacher. He was arrested, then kept in prison, asked to perform miracles, else convert to Islam, he refused and was executed. So, he was indeed singing hymns. The priest of Saraswati peeth temple in Kashmir was killed, that guy was probably singing hymns too. Then Aurangzed demanded Jizya for non-Muslims, in todays world that's called coercion. Either convert or pay tax. You can't kill all of them, you need people to rule over.

You're right, Hindus never thought they were following any religion, those were their customs followed through centuries hence never had a reason to openly revolt against advent of organized religion like Islam. And if he constructed temples, it's simply because he viewed temples as a money making machine. Hoping people would give part of their wealth to temples. He plundered rich temples, constructed mosques over them, killed many religious figureheads, it's like if the leader converts, his followers also converts many did convert though.

Dalits are legally equal citizen to other Hindu classes. They get special reservations in government jobs. What are you on about?
Go and preach treason. You will also face execution in any country. Tegh Bahadur was no victim. He was given multiple chances to reform. He rejected all petitions.
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Ghazni and Aurangzeb are heroes.
Ruling a large nation is not easy and making everyone happy is not possible. They were able rulers and great conquerers. Hindus or Sikhs are just sore losers. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In fact, Hindus annihilated Buddhism from its land of birth. Refer the below thread...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/buddhism-declined-or-brutalized-in-the-land-of-its-birth.509885/
In any civilized country Hinduism would have been banned...with sati, girl child killing, superstition ,Muslim hatred and so on. But alas.
 
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