Why Asians need to Unify NOW!

[livingdead]

bypassed my questions agilely .Bhairava --"its mostly the Chinese who speak of "Asia" as if they are the representatives of that".i just wanna which chinese marked himself as the representative of asia?there should be something to support Bhairava's viewpoint!

I cannot point to specific post but many chinese point to western conspiracy for keeping asia disunited and poor. Please search around. I wont say they want asian unity though.
Specific to Indians, we dont feel asians at all. Thats just too big geographically (and too diverse culturally) to be an identity.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Unity is good and all but China has what it takes to 'go it alone' - the country is large and populous enough to be its own continent.
In a few decades, China will be the gravitational center of Asia and all peripheral nations will be drawn in. Unlike kfags and Jdogs, China is the last true bastion of Asian pride - impervious to the incessant nagging and 8itching from the West.

 

[ahfatzia]

I believe China, in this decade, has to think seriously about making a few close alliances with her immediate neighbors for two major reasons: 1) clips off a few feathers of the eagle to make it a real bald one at that in the western Pacific and 2) this alliance, if it works well, would entices other Asian-pride nation to join against their traditional colonialists.

The Asia-Pivot, obviously, is a colonial move of 'divide and rule' and I don't think China is strong enough to counter that fiercely hegemonic eagle alone. A few strategic helps are needed here.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

I believe China, in this decade, has to think seriously about making a few close alliances with her immediate neighbors for two major reasons: 1) clips off a few feathers of the eagle to make it a real bald one at that in the western Pacific and 2) this alliance, if it works well, would entices other Asian-pride nation to join against their traditional colonialists.

The Asia-Pivot, obviously, is a colonial move of 'divide and rule' and I don't think China is strong enough to counter that fiercely hegemonic eagle alone. A few strategic helps are needed here.

Dude, you have to be realistic.
The only country in the neighborhood that hasn't sold us out is Pakistan. The neighboring countries still have plenty to gain by sucking up to the west (eg military umbrella, occasional pat on the head etc). In time when the country is actually strong (2 decades+ later perhaps), some form of Asian unity will begin to manifest itself but only when China eclipses the power of the west in the region.

 

[ahfatzia]

Dude, you have to be realistic.
The only country in the neighborhood that hasn't sold us out is Pakistan. The neighboring countries still have plenty to gain by sucking up to the west (eg military umbrella, occasional pat on the head etc). In time when the country is actually strong (2 decades+ later perhaps), some form of Asian unity will begin to manifest itself but only when China eclipses the power of the west in the region.

Not really, aside from Japan and to a lesser degree the Philippines, every nation in this region can see through Uncle Sam's intentions of 'Asia Pivot' and is willing to switch alliance or stay neutral if China is willing to take that leading role and be fair about it. Don't forget, military strength is secondary today to political and economic muscle. What can the US do in this area unilaterally without the NATO nations who are too faraway and too poor to help.

 

[ahfatzia]

Dude, you have to be realistic.
The only country in the neighborhood that hasn't sold us out is Pakistan. The neighboring countries still have plenty to gain by sucking up to the west (eg military umbrella, occasional pat on the head etc). In time when the country is actually strong (2 decades+ later perhaps), some form of Asian unity will begin to manifest itself but only when China eclipses the power of the west in the region.

Not really, aside from Japan and to a lesser degree the Philippines, every nation in this region can see through Uncle Sam's intentions of 'Asia Pivot' and is willing to switch alliance or stay neutral if China is willing to take that leading role and be fair about it. Don't forget, military strength is secondary today to political and economic muscle. What can the US do in this area unilaterally without the NATO nations who are too faraway and too poor to help.

 

[livingdead]

Not really, aside from Japan and to a lesser degree the Philippines, every nation in this region can see through Uncle Sam's intentions of 'Asia Pivot' and is willing to switch alliance or stay neutral if China is willing to take that leading role and be fair about it. Don't forget, military strength is secondary today to political and economic muscle. What can the US do in this area unilaterally without the NATO nations who are too faraway and too poor to help.

Willing to switch alliance? Are you sure? Recent events suggest most countries are wary of china's rise and are inviting america to keep the status quo there.

 

[Sasquatch]

Pan Asianism won't happen Japan attempts to use it while invading other countries left a bad mark. I have said it before Asia is full of rivalries, we should focus on our countries then trying to unify due to the vast majority of Asia still poor. Also looking at the EU and the mess it is today.

 

[ahfatzia]

Willing to switch alliance? Are you sure? Recent events suggest most countries are wary of china's rise and are inviting america to keep the status quo there.

Recent events only suggested China didn't deal with the SCS situations properly as a big nation and she's learning from the experiences as the new leader in line, Xi Jinping, is calling for calm and peaceful solutions just this week.

Aside from Japan and to a lesser extent Vietnam, none of China's neighbors around Pacific has had any conflict with her in history and that count for something because neighbors usually have all kind of troubles with each other in their long existences. Just look at how many wars in Europe through out history. The Vietnam issues can be solved with a stroke of ingenious diplomacy.

Lest not forget, this area had a long history of colonialism in recent centuries and the people, especially the intellectual nationalists are always wary of their intentions in this area.

There's an age old saying: "When a white man comes into your home he wants to own it". If you don't believe me just review the American foreign policies in recent year and see how she wants to overpower you when you want to be her ally.

 

[livingdead]

Recent events only suggested China didn't deal with the SCS situations properly as a big nation and she's learning from the experiences as the new leader in line, Xi Jinping, is calling for calm and peaceful solutions just this week.

Aside from Japan and to a lesser extent Vietnam, none of China's neighbors around Pacific has had any conflict with her in history and that count for something because neighbors usually have all kind of troubles with each other in their long existences. Just look at how many wars in Europe through out history. The Vietnam issues can be solved with a stroke of ingenious diplomacy.

Lest not forget, this area had a long history of colonialism in recent centuries and the people, especially the intellectual nationalists are always wary of their intentions in this area.

There's an age old saying: "When a white man comes into your home he wants to own it". If you don't believe me just review the American foreign policies in recent year and see how she wants to overpower you when you want to be her ally.

That age old saying does not make sense in today's world. Big powers always want to influence small powers, nothing special about white or black people.
Anyway, it does not matter what americans do(whether they are evil or good), I was pointing out that more nations in that region want to maintain status quo because they are uncomfortable with growing and assertive china. Very public spat over resources has hastened that process. So nobody is jumping onto chinese side anytime soon.

 

[ahfatzia]

That age old saying does not make sense in today's world. Big powers always want to influence small powers, nothing special about white or black people.
Anyway, it does not matter what americans do(whether they are evil or good), I was pointing out that more nations in that region want to maintain status quo because they are uncomfortable with growing and assertive china. Very public spat over resources has hastened that process. So nobody is jumping onto chinese side anytime soon.

Big powers (economic or military wise) always influence small nations whether she wants it or not and most smaller nation accept these influences to reap economic gains and stability. I was just pointing out China coexisted with these countries through millenniums and a little conflict today in the SCS is unlikely to change that long time fact.

For some leaders of a certain country cry 'wolf' over the dispute and bring back their former master so hastily for protection is simply short sighted and counter productive. In the end that nation is going to look down upon, if it hasn't done so already, by the other nations in the area.

China has been the leader of this region for millenniums when she was strong, a little hiccup in diplomacy is unlikely to be detrimental and can easily corrected. You mark my words, because of the west's track records, the American's military present in the western Pacific will be viewed as a long term threat. On top of that its' present also comes to conflict with the China rise and that can only creates war.

China's rise is a natural phenomenon because of her people and culture and it's not something an outside force can stop it.

 

[Wright]

^^^^ A lot of people have always seen Japan as the leading nation of East Asia.

Even Hitler and the British in WW1.

 

[ahfatzia]

^^^^ A lot of people have always seen Japan as the leading nation of East Asia.

Even Hitler and the British in WW1.

I'm talking about for thousands of years. Japan's name didn't even appear in the west's screen until the war with the Czar's Russia and last till end of WWII for a brief period of a few decades. A sudden blink of glory in the long history of time, perhaps. And besides they were so reclusive and hardly came into contacts with other nations in this area until they invaded everybody.

 

[eddieInUK]

Most countries in East Asia or far East are pro-West. If I only consider China, Japan, S. Korea and South East Asian countries. S. Korea, Japan are typically with USA, and they are the only developed countries in this region. PH, is also a proxy of USA here. Its difficult for China to change this. Singapore is also a great country, but its a bit small. I think China should make some friends in Middle East or Africa, which is comparatively easier.

 

[Zero_wing]

DEVELOP U SAY SIR? CHECK IT AGAIN and please Unity is possible if china would not act as if you owned the whole Asian region you people talk about the west as if it was a cancer maybe a hundred years ago but not today they more of a pain in the butt because of some of their policies and the only reason Pakistan is loyal to you is your giving them technology and things that the west was not able to give you chinese should just change and i tell you unity here is possible only if no one of us will try to do am the leader and follow me or die concept.