Why are we so adamant in our support for Palestine when they themselves support India against us?

[QWECXZ]

Did you, or did you not just have operarions in Baluchistan?

How many operations throughout the years have you had on Sunni Baluch?

As for Azeris, we also know about the racism against Turks in Iranian society and separatism in Southern Azerbaycan.

Name one Azeri separatist group that has been active in Iranian Azerbaijan in recent years. lol I can't think of any. There is no security threat from Azeris in Iran. You can meet many of them here on PDF. Like @Mithridates.

As for the Baluch insurgency, how many Baluch people have joined groups like Jundullah? About 1,000 people. If you add the manpower of all Baluch insurgency groups, it won't exceed 2,000.
Do you know how many Baluch people live in Sistan and Baluchistan province? More than 2,500,000 people.

 

[Cliftonite]

I am a Pakistani patriot first of all. If I believe supporting Taliban furthers the interests of my country, then I will push for it.

You are relying on old stereotyping of Taliban to tarnish anyone who may be favorable to them. Do you believe China and Russia are also Talibans?

Did you know Taliban are recruiting Shias and non-Pukhtoons in large numbers? Taliban has become a national unity government for Afghanistan.

Alhamdulilah much better than NDS/NA terrorists of Kabul and Daesh villians, both of whom have made an alliance against Taliban.

I'll give that to you. Taliban is lesser of the two evils compared to NDS NA.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@QWECXZ Now if I tag Arab, Afghan, and Turk brothers, they will present a totally different angle than what you have presented..

How far you want to go with this?

It is all about narrative.

 

[nascar 42]

Did you, or did you not just have operarions in Baluchistan?

How many operations throughout the years have you had on Sunni Baluch?

As for Azeris, we also know about the racism against Turks in Iranian society and separatism in Southern Azerbaycan.

It's ironic that you are being targeted for being 'pro-Taliban' by someone whose own country has been providing the Taliban with both diplomatic and military support.

This was recently published in the highly regarded Third World Quarterly journal.
The Taliban: a new proxy for Iran in Afghanistan?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01436597.2019.1702460

Also,

https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/why-the-taliban-wont-cut-ties-with-iran/

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I'll give that to you. Taliban is lesser of the two evils compared to NDS NA.

New Taliban is different from the old one. They have learned from their mistakes and changed alot of their beliefs.

At that time, security was the major issue, now it is more about unifying Afghans and keeping foreigners out.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Not exactly. There were Pan-Arab Khuzestanis that actually betrayed Iran during the war and embraced the Iraqi invasion, but there weren't many. Saddam never mistreated Khuzestani Arabs based on religion. He treated them extremely well when he occupied Khuzestan and promised to give them lands for free.

Iraq became our playground because the US invaded the country but didn't help Iraq stand on her feet after invasion. The feeling of having foreigners walk freely in your country while your country is suffering is in itself a strong motivation for siding with your enemy's enemy. Iraqi people are in fact not religious at all. They have one of the highest number of atheists in the Middle East besides Iran.

Ba'athist Syria is a secular regime. It sided with us because they felt threatened by an expansionist powerful country called Israel.

Even in the Baathist Party Syrian Branch there is spilt there is a Pro Russian wing and Pro Iranian wing there have been clashes politically but kept low key which breaks the reason that Iran is a Russian puppet and Syria is a Russian one as well

 

[Naofumi]

Not exactly. There were Pan-Arab Khuzestanis that actually betrayed Iran during the war and embraced the Iraqi invasion, but there weren't many. Saddam never mistreated Khuzestani Arabs based on religion. He treated them extremely well when he occupied Khuzestan and promised to give them lands for free.

"They heard about Iraqi Shi'as" - hope you get it now.

Iraq became our playground because the US invaded the country but didn't help Iraq stand on her feet after invasion. The feeling of having foreigners walk freely in your country while your country is suffering is in itself a strong motivation for siding with your enemy's enemy. Iraqi people are in fact not religious at all. They have one of the highest number of atheists in the Middle East besides Iran.

Why could not the crazy-rich GCC do that? You have to admit role of Shi'ism somewhere.

Ba'athist Syria is a secular regime. It sided with us because they felt threatened by an expansionist powerful country called Israel.

During Iraq war? They (and the psycho Gaddafi) broke the Arab solidarity in Iraq war by supporting Khomeini, before that a major Shi'a Marja had declared Hafiz Al-Assad's government legitimate in 1972. Connect the dots.

 

[QWECXZ]

@QWECXZ Now if I tag Arab, Afghan, and Turk brothers, they will present a totally different angle than what you have presented..

How far you want to go with this?

It is all about narrative.

I don't care what your Afghan, Arab or Turk brothers have to say on this. They do not live in Iran. You have to live in Iran to know what the situation is. There is a reason that the US, the UK, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have failed to counter Iran with ethnic or religious issues and our regional power is growing decade by decade. If Iran wasn't unified, we wouldn't have lasted this long, let alone expanding our power projection.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It's ironic that you are being targeted for being 'pro-Taliban' by someone whose own country has been providing the Taliban with both diplomatic and military support.

This was recently published in the highly regarded Third World Quarterly journal.
The Taliban: a new proxy for Iran in Afghanistan?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01436597.2019.1702460

Also,

https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/why-the-taliban-wont-cut-ties-with-iran/

Iran plays both sides, typical of their policy. Since Iranian proxy NDS has failed, they want to secure minimum ties with Taliban to prevent war.

Iranians are very bitter that Pakistan and Taliban have succeeded in winning back Afghanistan. This new anger now is showing its ugly head in Balochistan, with Iran supporting BLF (Pak army sources.)

Iranian plans to keep Pakistan occupied in Afghanistan with their proxies has morphed into overt Indian support against Pakistan.

Slowly pro-Iranian sentiment will be eroded from Pakistan. Our Pakistani Shia Brothers are as patriotic as Sunnis, and Iran has turned them off also.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I don't care what your Afghan, Arab or Turk brothers have to say on this. They do not live in Iran. You have to live in Iran to know what the situation is. There is a reason that the US, the UK, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have failed to counter Iran with ethnic or religious issues and our regional power is growing decade by decade. If Iran wasn't unified, we wouldn't have lasted this long, let alone expansion our power projection.

I think down the road Turkey and Iran will lessen their gaps in Libya Iran and Turkey are basically on same page, Syria is just the stumbbling block Erdogan the madman needs to make a deal with Iran if he wants to break free from the Russian box he got in and to counter the Kurdish threat

 

[QWECXZ]

"They heard about Iraqi Shi'as" - hope you get it now.

Why not the crazy-rich GCC do that? You have to admit role of Shi'ism somewhere.

During Iraq war? They (and the psycho Gaddafi) broke the Arab solidarity in Iraq war by supporting Khomeini, before that a major Shi'a Marja had declared their government legitimate in 1972. Connect the dots.

I did read that part. And I am telling you that Saddam never mistreated Iranian Arabs because of their sect. He promised them land and properties after annexing Khuzestan. And I don't know how strong Shia ideologies were in Khuzestan. I mean Khuzestan was a center for dancing, swimming in bikinis and sun-bathing before the 1979 revolution (one year before the Iraq-Iran war). I doubt they were strong Muslims at all.

Because the crazy rich [P]GCC countries are US puppets. The very same country that has invaded Iraq. You can't count on a US puppet to save you from a US invasion.

What about Algeria? Algeria was a very pro-Iran country in the Arab League.

 

[Yankee-stani]

New Taliban is different from the old one. They have learned from their mistakes and changed alot of their beliefs.

At that time, security was the major issue, now it is more about unifying Afghans and keeping foreigners out.

At end I dont care about Ideology of the Taliban what needs to occur is stabilty in Afghanistan so our frontiers are secured and not exposed

 

[Naofumi]

I did read that part. And I am telling you that Saddam never mistreated Iranian Arabs because of their sect. He promised them land and properties after annexing Khuzestan. And I don't know how strong Shia ideologies were in Khuzestan. I mean Khuzestan was a center for dancing, swimming in bikinis and sun-bathing before the 1979 revolution (one year before the Iraq-Iran war). I doubt they were strong Muslims at all.

Strong Muslim or not, they could have realised the threat of persecution because of their Shi'a background (even if nominally).

Because the crazy rich [P]GCC countries are US puppets. The very same country that has invaded Iraq. You can't count on a US puppet to save you from a US invasion.

They sponsor coups of large countries, why did they let Iran gets its way?

What about Algeria? Algeria was a very pro-Iran country in the Arab League.

I am not aware of their role in Iran-Iraq war. I am sure they at least did not helped you actively.

PS : You may be fiercely secular but religion as a political tool is used very very actively than you would like to admit.

 

[QWECXZ]

Strong Muslim or not, they could have realised the threat of persecution because of their Shi'a background (even if nominally).

They sponsor coups of large countries, why did they let Iran gets its way?

I am not aware of their role in Iran-Iraq war. I am sure they at least did not helped you actively.

PS : You may be fiercely secular but religion as a political tool is used very very actively than you would like to admit.

Or they could've been enticed by the promises of free land and properties. It could've gone either way. No?

I don't know whom you mean by they. I didn't understand that part at all.

Algeria always defended Iran in the Arab League during the Iraq-Iran war. Even more than Lebanon as Lebanon tried to maintain a neutral position due to internal policies. Algeria couldn't help us actively because they had nothing we could use. They weren't even a military power to give us that much help. But they did as much as they could. Libya sold us Scud missiles and Gaddafi wasn't a Shia or a Shia sympathizer.

Khomeini considered the Soviet Union as the less powerful devil and he believed communism was against the teachings of Islam and monotheism and yet Cuba supported Iran. Why? Because Cuba saw Iran as an emerging anti-imperialist country. The same is true about Venezuela. The same is true about North Korea.

You have to understand that religion is not the only determining factor. There can be many other factors as well. Republic of Azerbaijan is a Twelver Shia country. Same as Iran. We sided with Christian Armenia in the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Or they could've been enticed by the promises of free land and properties. It could've gone either way. No?

I don't know whom you mean by they. I didn't understand that part at all.

Algeria always defended Iran in the Arab League during the Iraq-Iran war. They couldn't help us actively because they had nothing we could use. They aren't even a military power. But they did as much as they could. Libya sold us missiles and Gaddafi wasn't a Shia or a Shia sympathizer.

Khomeini considered the Soviet Union as the less powerful devil and he believed communism was against the teachings of Islam and monotheism and yet Cuba supported Iran. Why? Because Cuba saw Iran as an anti-imperialist country. The same is true about Venezuela.

You have to understand that religion is not the only determining factor. There can be many other factors as well. Republic of Azerbaijan is a Twelver Shia country. Same as Iran. We sided with Christian Armenia in the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute.

One thing admire Iran is their expansion of diplomatic presence with Latin America but Venezuela being a OPEC member is a good reason why Iran-Venezuela have great ties and them having clashes with America in geo-political realm as for Armenia and Azerbaijan I dont blame Iran for that I blame Yeltsin and the Russians for causing the mess in the 90s