Why are the Arabs losing on every front?

[Avicenna]

You're wrongly assuming that, if Israel hadn't existed, the Arab World would've been less susceptible to conflict.

That is simply not true.

Countries in the Arabian Peninsula would've always been more wary of a power based in the Iranian Plateau than a power based in the Levant. Also, they would've always been more concerned with a power based in Mesopotamia/Iraq than with a power based in the Eastern Mediterranean region.

This has more to do with geography and less to do with religion and ethnicity. As a case in point, prior to the fall of Saddam, the Gulf states were more frightened of Iraq than they were of Iran.

Even if Israel hadn't existed, these geopolitical realities would continue to exist.

Likewise, the rivalry between powers based in Syria and Egypt would've continued to exist, with or without Israel. In fact, for many decades, both Egyptian and Syrian nationalists believed that Palestine should be an integral part of their homeland.

The point is, this irrational obsession with Israel has to stop. With or without Israel's existence, rivalries in the Arab World will continue to exist.

Actually i wouldnt call it an irrational obession. You have to understand that the events of the last 15 years in the Middle East have their origin in a group of individuals in Washington who were put in a position to implement their ideas on re shaping the middle east. read up on richard perle. alot of this by in large was done for the sake of israeli security.

Your empty religious discourse is not going to fool anybody or impress anyone. We Arabs know your likes and similar ones perfectly and their agenda. I will not elaborate on that as I risk getting banned although I won't care but I have better things to do. In any case I suggest to worry about something else. You have more things to worry about in any case.

What are you talking about?

 

[Al-Andalus]

What are you talking about?

Arab-obsessed anti-Arab "Muslims" whose agenda and hallow/useless "arguments" are indistinguishable from non-Muslim anti-Arabs. Such people like you and that other clown and a few others are supposed to be our "brothers" and once caught in the act, use the "religion" card. Try doing that to everyone else than an Arab and it might work.

Man, all that butthurt that I have observed on this forum. Hilarious. Feels great that our mere presence gives rise to such butthurt and obsession. Please continue so we will be able to spot who our real brothers are and who the imposters are.

And no, I won't try to educate people (foreigners) here anyone longer. I tried with long, detailed and fact-based posts and arguments but I am not going to bother with that.

I suggest to the few Arabs that remain here (10 active users or so) to ignore such future threads and discussions where foreigners are involved completely. Do not waste your time and let the insignificant keyboard warriors here blabber to our amusement.

EDIT:

LOL, the clown claims to not be obsessed, yet talks about Arabs every 3 post of his (along with like-minded people - some of who are even more frequent) or something alike on a Pakistani forum. Clowns.

 

[HAIDER]

Off topic. Has anyone watched the movie Syriana?

Did, kinda painful ....

 

[Avicenna]

Lol beleive me when i say no one is arab obsessed. And I can see this is going nowhere. So I will leave it at this.

Did, kinda painful ....

Yea. it was really nicely done. and has alot of elements of truth.

 

[Al-Andalus]

Lol beleive me when i say no one is arab obsessed. And I can see this is going nowhere. So I will leave it at this.



Yea. it was really nicely done. and has alot of elements of truth.

When caught you run out of arguments. Don't you get it? We know your likes, the "thought"-process behind, the "arguments", agenda etc.

Yes, elements of useless Hollywood nonsense that nobody gives a pfuck about. Movies that simpletons like you will understand.

 

[Avicenna]

Your beginning to piss me off. So rather than respond I'm gonna take the high road and disengage from this conversation.

 

[Brutas]

A few years back Avigdor Lieberman in a visit to Brussels said, "EU should thank Israel for being the savior of the civilized world. Israel,the only civilized nation in Mid East keeping the barbarian desert Bedouins under check".
His comments seems prophetic !

 

[Al-Andalus]

A few years back Avigdor Lieberman in a visit to Brussels said, "EU should thank Israel for being the savior of the civilized world. Israel,the only civilized nation in Mid East keeping the barbarian desert Bedouins under check".
His comments seems prophetic !

Europe is flooded already and it will only become worse. Nobody cares though. As for useless "Orientalist" rhetoric by some European Jew, as for being barbarians, Europeans top that discipline by far looking at historical events. The cave-dwelling and forest-dwelling peasant barbarians killed 100 million of each other just in WW1 and WW2 alone. Even to this day despite being "civilized" they still kill each other in Ukraine and 20 years ago the biggest genocide since WW2 next after Rwanda took place in the middle of Europe.

Those same "barbarians" were much more civilized and ahead of you during 95% of recorded history. Millennia upon millennia in other words. We are talking another galaxy here if not another universe. So we laugh at such rhetoric.

Today the same barbarians are mass-murdering civilians in Syria and Iraq and wherever they are.

Anyway look out for trucks driven by Tunisians. You might be next!

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Actually i wouldnt call it an irrational obession. You have to understand that the events of the last 15 years in the Middle East have their origin in a group of individuals in Washington who were put in a position to implement their ideas on re shaping the middle east. read up on richard perle. alot of this by in large was done for the sake of israeli security.

That's debatable. Granted, there are many psychopathic neocons in Washington DC who have delusions of grandeur and arrogantly think they are truly capable of achieving their desired goals in distant regions of the world. Having said that, you must also bear in mind that some things are beyond the control of human beings. These people aren't gods, nor can they bring about all the changes that they so desire. Even during British imperial times, there were many political thinkers in London who attempted but failed to achieve the goals they had laid out.

In the end, there are many things that are out of our hands. Don't underestimate the importance of external environmental factors. In reality, geopolitics tends to be extremely indifferent to the ideological beliefs and wishes of individuals.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

In the real world the Arab world is the cradle of civilization (which it will always be), home to the most ancient civilizations on the planet and some of the most influential by far, most ancient cities etc.

Here you are singing the songs about the 'Arabs'. Your threads often talk of 'Arabs' as one entity and despite you being from KSA (correct me if I am wrong) you revel and draw vicarious lustre from the Arab world. For example this cradle of civilization you keep mentioning was based in Mesopotamia which is distant from KSA. However on the other hand -

Also the conflict is between Jews and Palestinians, not Jews and Arabs.

You suddenly on the matter of Palestine decide you don't want anything to do with these 'Arabs' because they are Palestinians. Why such discrimination? What is it 'in with the good but out with the bad'?

On a wider note the fact is Arabs only share a language. Just because a Jamaican, Scot, Indian, Maori speak English does not make them one ethnicity. There is precious little to share between a Sudanese, a Omani, a Syrian, a Algerian. This explains to a degree the divisions however a lot is to do with colonial legacy of slice and dice.

The best thing about this thread is the good old thumping the Arab lovers got like @Avicenna Although I don't agree much with @Al-Andalus but I enjoyed this Bangla getting good old thumping for have taken his head out of the swamp to shout out "umaaaaah" before being pushed down again by his idols Al Andalus and @Kuwaiti Girl

 

[Al-Andalus]

Here you are singing the songs about the 'Arabs'. Your threads often talk of 'Arabs' as one entity and despite you being from KSA (correct me if I am wrong) you revel and draw vicarious lustre from the Arab world. For example this cradle of civilization you keep mentioning was based in Mesopotamia which is distant from KSA. However on the other hand -

You suddenly on the matter of Palestine decide you don't want anything to do with these 'Arabs' because they are Palestinians. Why such discrimination? What is it 'in with the good but out with the bad'?

On a wider note the fact is Arabs only share a language. Just because a Jamaican, Scot, Indian, Maori speak English does not make them one ethnicity. There is precious little to share between a Sudanese, a Omani, a Syrian, a Algerian. This explains to a degree the divisions however a lot is to do with colonial legacy of slice and dice.

The best thing about this thread is the good old thumping the Arab lovers got like @Avicenna Although I don't agree much with @Al-Andalus but I enjoyed this Bangla getting good old thumping for have taken his head out of the swamp to shout out "umaaaaah" before being pushed down again by his idols Al Andalus and @Kuwaiti Girl

Yes, Sumer (Southern Iraq) is distant from KSA despite neighboring it directly and despite Sumerians being originally from nearby Eastern Arabia. And despite all later civilization in Mesopotamia being Semitic and founded by Semites originally from nearby Arabia (the ancestral homeland of all Semites). In any case the Arabian Peninsula is the second longest inhabited place on the planet and home to some of the oldest civilizations and cities on the planet.

In any case the history of Arabs during the Islamic age alone triumphs that of at least 85% of all other people and their entire recorded history in terms of influence, achievements etc.

On the other hand you keep blabbering about some IVC based in Sindh which is closer to Oman than the mountainous Northern Pakistan (that correct me if I am wrong has little civilization of note - let alone to this very day) and that you as a Pashtun most likely have little in common with.

In any case the recorded history of your people is barely 1 millennia old. In fact I believe that you will struggle to find a single document talking about a people called Pashtuns 1000 years ago. By anyone. To be perfectly honest with you, your people's "achievements" do not even reach the toes of Arabs. Your people are so relevant that 95% of the world's population do not know about their existence. Stateless people too. I suggest sticking to stoning women and pedophilia (Bacha Bazi) and opium and the occasional wannabe Arab behavior.

Also you are a Pashtun that has no clue about anything Arab and what applies for that Bengali applies for you as well. Also you should stop quoting my posts as I have no interest discussing with another Arab-obsessed user.

PS: Modern-day Saudi Arabians are those who show the closest genetic affinity to the first Neolithic people that lived in Southern Levant and who invented farming and the first settlements/cities of the world.

"And recently a DNA study proved that modern-day Saudi Arabians, Palestinians, Jordanians and Egyptians have the largest ancestral claim on the Neolithic civilizations that first appeared in Southern Levant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

A culture that existed from 12.5000 BC to 9.500 BC whose people are known to have built the first Neolithic settlements on the planet as well as made the first attempts at agriculture, organized included. It was also arguably the first sedentary culture of this size in the world as well.


Here are the DNA results from this year (2016)

https://plot.ly/~PortalAntropologiczny9cfa/1.embed?share_key=za9Lb3y1UX6nJRG9v4EXOL

Here is the entire report:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/16/059311.full.pdf

It's quite cool that Saudi Arabians (in particular as they scored the highest percentage, one sample 60.38%!), Palestinians, Jordanians, "Israeli" Bedouins and Egyptians (afterwards other Arabs in the Near East and other MENA people) show the strongest genetic affinity to the ancient Natufian culture (12.500 BC - 9.500 BC) that was not only the first settled Neolithic civilization/community in the world but the first culture and people who introduced farming and built the first known settlements! More so knowing that the Natufians did not hail from the outside whether nearby Europe or Africa! They were indigenous."

So excuse me if I find your post laughable.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes

Listen Bedoin I don't give rats a^ss about you being Muslim. What I do know is your oil is going to run out and when that does you guys will be starving in the desert heat. That Bangla will drown in water you on the other hand will die of thirst.

KSA has contributed nothing to human civilization other than the religion on which I won't comment here on PDF. Egyptians, Iraqi's, Syrians yeh I have respect for them. You sand and camel variety ... no comment !