Why Are So Many Muslims in Prison?

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Many of the US conversions are to the Nation of Islam, which appeals to black Americans as it offers an alternate explanation for why they didn't succeed in the mainstream culture (whitey held them back) and a supposedly "proven" lifestyle (no drinking, drugs or fornicating) and brotherhood that will keep them from sliding back into prison when they finish their terms.

Only some conversions are to NOI, i'd give a % of 2%. Most conversions are non-secterian. Many African americans appeal to the Idea because they say unity and no discrimination. When your a Muslim, it feels good to know you have over a billion brothers and sisters, it feels good that you are apart of a proud community.

 

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Which religion is that? Political views are different than religious beliefs, Sir.

I am talking of a hypothetical scenario. If it ever becomes a reality would you accept it?

 

[VCheng]

I am talking of a hypothetical scenario. If it ever becomes a reality would you accept it?

Let me wait for such a "Hitlererian" religion to arise first.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

And where does the word last appear ?

@Khafee

In the rasūlu-llāh. Messenger of ALLAH.

 

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Let me wait for such a "Hitlererian" religion to arise first.

My point is the Muslim world in general sees the Ahamdis/Qadianis as the rest of the world sees the Nazis. How does a civilized society deal with such movements within their boundaries? Replace the word Ahmadi/Qadiani with Nazi worshipper and see how will the modern western society deal with such a movement?

And the Americans are not an example to follow either. We all know what happened to David Koresh and his followers

 

[VCheng]

My point is the Muslim world in general sees the Ahamdis/Qadianis as the rest of the world sees the Nazis. How does a civilized society deal with such movements within their boundaries? Replace the word Ahmadi/Qadiani with Nazi worshipper and see how will the modern western society deal with such a movement?

And the Americans are not an example to follow either. We all know what happened to David Koresh and his followers

As I said before, religious matters are different than political issues, and therefore your argument above has no merit at all.

 

[untitled]

As I said before, religious matters are different than political issues, and therefore your argument above has no merit at all.

So burning the of the compound in Waco Texas was political issue rather than a religious one? As David Koresh was wanted by the US feds for marrying under-age girls (amongst other things) which according his beliefs was perfectly OK.

 

[VCheng]

So burning the of the compound in Waco Texas was political issue rather than a religious issue? As David Koresh was wanted by the US feds for marrying under-age girls (amongst other things) which according his beliefs was perfectly OK to do so.

His religious beliefs were not the issue. The serving of Federal warrants for illegal possession of firearms and explosives at the compound led to the confrontation.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Lets call a spade a spade, you can identify with whomever you want.

So, now are you being a racist?

 

[saadee]

Why Are So Many Muslims in Prison?
by Johanna Markind • Aug 30, 2015
Cross-posted from Islamist Watch

Originally published under the title "Islam in Prison."

Muslims make up around 9% of state and federal prisoners in the United States.

The current issue of the New Yorker reports that, according to Paris-based Iranian sociologist Farhad Khosrokhavar, "of France's 64,000 prisoners, up to 60% are Muslim. (Muslims are thought to compose only 8% of the population.)"

Based on data from 2011, Pew Research Center estimated that Muslims made up 9% of the 1,598,780 state and federal prisoners in the United States. Pew also reported that as of 2010, about 0.8% of the U.S. population was Muslim, up from 0.6% in 1990. Data allegedly provided by the federal Bureau of Prisons reported that, as of 1997, Muslims made up 7.27% of the federal prison population.

In other words, Muslims are overrepresented in the French prison population by 7.5 times their percentage of the population. In the United States, although their overall percentage is smaller, Muslims are overrepresented in the prison population by 11.25 times their percentage of the population.

The percentage of Muslims inside U.S. prisons is more than 11 times their percentage of the overall population.

Why? A couple of possible explanations spring to mind, neither one of which is exclusive.

One possibility is that Muslims may be committing crimes at a higher rate than other groups.

Another is that large numbers of prisoners are converting to Islam. There is evidence that this is in fact the case. The New Yorker article offers a sociological explanation of why and how this happens in French prisons. Conversion also appears to be common in U.S. prisons. See also here, here, here, andhere.

What makes this truly disturbing is the form of Islam to which prisoners are converting. Much has been written about the radicalization of Muslims in French prisons (for example, here, here, here, andhere). It is also happening in U.S. prisons (see here and here). Despite earlier efforts to obscure this issue, it isn't going away any time soon. Expect it to get worse before it gets better.

Johanna Markind is associate counselor at the Middle East Forum

Most of them are converts.

 

[TruthSeeker]

His religious beliefs were not the issue. The serving of Federal warrants for illegal possession of firearms and explosives at the compound led to the confrontation.

I'm very impressed that you know this. There was also the issue of alleged child abuse, but it was the ATF issue that led to the initial raid, and the killing of raiding ATF agents that resulted in the full fledged assault. The fire itself was probably set off by the Branch Davidians.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

And where does the word last appear ?

@Thəorətic Muslim The Khatham-anabuwath is mentioned in the Al-Khuthaba Al-khir nabi as'salaathu was'salaam. It is hadith muthwathir meaning it has many narrators radi'Allahuanhum, witnessed by 100,000 as'hab radia'Allahu anhum.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

@Thəorətic Muslim The Khatham-anabuwath is mentioned in the Al-Khuthaba Al-khir nabi as'salaathu was'salaam. It is hadith muthwathir meaning it has many narrators radi'Allahuanhum, witnessed by 100,000 as'hab radia'Allahu anhum.

I have no idea what you wrote or what I just read. Dumb it down for me.

So, now are you being a racist?

So if Scientology decided that Jesus is the Xenus leader of the Alien Mothership from the Sparrow Nebula Galaxy you would consider them Christians?

There are central ideology in religions. Elijah Mohammad decided that he was the Mohammad who was referenced in the "There is no God but ALLAH, and Muhammad is the messenger of ALLAH."

You're welcome to read up on his teachings.

Muhammad preached his own version of Islam to his followers in the Nation. According to him, blacks were known as the 'original' human being, with 'evil' whites being an offshoot race that would go on to oppress black people for 6,000 years. He preached that the Nation of Islam's goal was to return the stolen hegemony of the inferior whites back to blacks across America.

The main belief of the NOI and its followers is that there is no other God but Allah. They teach that their founder, Master Fard Muhammad is the Mahdi.

Rather than spend my time you spend yours:

Nation of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[VCheng]

I'm very impressed that you know this. There was also the issue of alleged child abuse, but it was the ATF issue that led to the initial raid, and the killing of raiding ATF agents that resulted in the full fledged assault. The fire itself was probably set off by the Branch Davidians.

Thank you Sir for the kind comment. It is always better to stick with facts without the lenses of personal prejudice.

 

[Stag112]

In India Muslims make up 21% of undertrials against population of 14%.