Why and how the US must confront Burma's Rohingya genocide

[Kaniska]

What will be the benifit US and West will get by sanctioning Myanmar? Anyway, BD is going to be an ally for China...In one hand, BD is chanting and shouting against US and other hand, you expect US will protect your interest against Myanmar...

 

[Zabaniyah]

You want to "ensure the total collapse and the extinction of the CPC"?

You know both the superpowers (USA and USSR) tried their best to destroy the CPC during the Cold War, now look at how it turned out?

@ChineseTiger1986 brother check this out.

You know, I was really wondering when you'd show up.

It was hypothetical of-course. In the event should those Burmese generals face the ICC for their alleged crimes. The Balkan Wars was set as an example. But then, we know your opinions of those persecuted don't we?

Do not take much heed to my fellow countryman as he seems to be anti-Chinese for some reason.

Not anti-China, most likely a pro-West, must be educated in the US => soft power.

@Chinese-Dragon

Unfortunately that poster is BD'shi. He is the only one here who is totally against China for some unknown reason.
He is very well educated and so can see that BD and China can both benefit from having a good relationship but still anti-China.

It is funny that you people cry for the Rohingyas, and yet at the same time entertain the benefactors of the perpetrators causing those very crimes.

Geography is very important. I made the measurements and the calculations, and in line with Bangladeshi values that was fought for in 1971. What more or less do you people want to hear?

You know what I think? I think you are afraid. Denial mode. No one said life would be easy. Are you so attached to home that you just don't effing care? See, those are the kind of people who fall apart easily.

Regardless, there will be consequences which you are oblivious toward.

For the record, I was educated in the East. And I am not about 'soft power'.

What will be the benifit US and West will get by sanctioning Myanmar? Anyway, BD is going to be an ally for China...In one hand, BD is chanting and shouting against US and other hand, you expect US will protect your interest against Myanmar...

Nothing. They won't benefit anything by sanctioning them.

I don't think he was calling for it himself (but maybe he can clarify if he wants), just hypothetical way for some hypothetical justice notion. Problem with justice discussions is what do we count as requiring justice? You can make it as narrow and broad as one wants to advance some viewpoint. It falls prey to that old adage by Stalin (supposedly), death of 1 is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic etc.

Honestly too much good in China would be destroyed for targeting of the perceived "Bad" if CPC is made the bogeyman....given CPC is well entrenched in the Chinese fabric/ethos and largely on nationalist lines rather than theoretic communist lines (which in my contention would have weakened China overall). Its too powerful/important to fail now given what would result in China and world at large. A strong China (with all its various faults one perceives) is best for the world....because it hedges nicely for multi-polar world for me (given China's size). We all saw how the world was when China was weak and exploited, I for one don't want that ever again. People simply have not read enough into what China was like for about 100 years (and the larger impact on the region and world) before CPC prevailed.

Your response says that you are the only user who read and understood my post. Thank you.

 

[TopCat]

What will be the benifit US and West will get by sanctioning Myanmar? Anyway, BD is going to be an ally for China...In one hand, BD is chanting and shouting against US and other hand, you expect US will protect your interest against Myanmar...

BD is nobody's ally. It needs to make one.. Its been a while USA asked for it.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You know, I was really wondering when you'd show up.

Uh, have we ever talked before?

The Balkan Wars was set as an example. But then, we know your opinions of those persecuted don't we?

Enlighten me then, what are my opinions on the Balkan War?

It's funny that you claim to know my opinion on issues which I know nothing about and don't have any real opinions on.

BD is nobody's ally. It needs to make one.. Its been a while USA asked for it.

When you are begging for help from Donald Trump, make sure to leave out the fact that you are a Muslim majority country. Pretend to be a Buddhist or a Hindu, then Donald Trump might give you a few seconds of time.

 

[TopCat]

When you are begging for help from Donald Trump, make sure to leave out the fact that you are a Muslim majority country. Pretend to be a Buddhist or a Hindu, then Donald Trump might give you a few seconds of time.

Donald trump will toast with a muslim more than a hindus or buddhist for sure. YOu dont wanna to know how a Christian feel about Hindus or Buddhist.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Donald trump will toast with a muslim more than a hindus or buddhist for sure. YOu dont wanna to know how a Christian feel about Hindus or Buddhist.

Oh yeah, Donald Trump just LOVES Muslims.

Do you ever read the news?

 

[TopCat]

Oh yeah, Donald Trump just LOVES Muslims.

Do you ever read the news?

Ya i did ... you just cant read between the line.. He hates East Asian more than anybody else.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Ya i did ... you just cant read between the line.. He hates East Asian more than anybody else.

Yes, that is why he tried to ban all people of East Asian descent from entering the USA?

That's why he is posting Neo-Nazi videos showing East Asian people committing crimes in Britain right?

I guess East Asians are also beaten to death on the streets of the USA after being mistaken for "terrorists", right?

 

[Arefin007]

Cant depend on atheist country like usa if myanmar werent pro china im pretty sure they wouldnt give a shit

 

[DarkPrince]

What will be the benifit US and West will get by sanctioning Myanmar? Anyway, BD is going to be an ally for China...In one hand, BD is chanting and shouting against US and other hand, you expect US will protect your interest against Myanmar...

I don't think we have any friend

 

[24 Hours]

Donald trump will toast with a muslim more than a hindus or buddhist for sure. YOu dont wanna to know how a Christian feel about Hindus or Buddhist.

Where are you getting this from? Conservative Christian Americans don't embrace Hindus or Buddhists that's for sure, but they have a much deeper hatred for Muslims if anything else. They see Islam as an enemy religion if anything else.

 

[TopCat]

Where are you getting this from? Conservative Christian Americans don't embrace Hindus or Buddhists that's for sure, but they have a much deeper hatred for Muslims if anything else. They see Islam as an enemy religion if anything else.

They see islam as an existential threat...
They look down at hindus and buddhist.

Yes, that is why he tried to ban all people of East Asian descent from entering the USA?

That's why he is posting Neo-Nazi videos showing East Asian people committing crimes in Britain right?

I guess East Asians are also beaten to death on the streets of the USA after being mistaken for "terrorists", right?

Read my above post

 

[Nilgiri]

Uh, have we ever talked before?

He was Loki before, dunno if that rings a bell. Also lot of ppl have read what you have had to say I would imagine without exactly interacting.

Your response says that you are the only user who read and understood my post. Thank you.

I quite look forward to your inputs/analysis (I don't agree with everything of course....but you have consistency and I have never seen you resort to personal attacks etc, wish it could be said for more in this forum) .

An oasis in this parched desert comes to mind Most people now (esp online) don't get nuance and expansive debating...most are after quick reactionary potshots....so you will find most of the responses geared that way unfortunately.

Where are you getting this from? Conservative Christian Americans don't embrace Hindus or Buddhists that's for sure, but they have a much deeper hatred for Muslims if anything else. They see Islam as an enemy religion if anything else.

Its funny he thinks Trump is a conservative christian in the first place. Trump is a populist first and foremost that latched onto this base (among other bases) because direction-wise it is quite clear how to sustain momentum on any given "point scoring" agenda rather than having to meander in and out of all the issues and be another dull figurehead sort.

Trump is an equal opportunity offender largely, its clear he has no real directed hate against "Hindus, Buddhists, East Asians blah blah".... Radical Islam (and to large degree illegal esp hispanic immigrants) is just crystallised enough (more on a cultural level rather than theological level) that again it plays into his expedient populism strategy among his base and near-base and increasingly past his base.

Anyway topcat is the kind of guy that wants the world to mould to his perspective rather than let the world shape his perspective....its largely futile discussing such topics with him.

 

[24 Hours]

Cant depend on atheist country like usa if myanmar werent pro china im pretty sure they wouldnt give a shit

The US has become less religious overtime, but it's far from an atheist country

They see islam as an existential threat...
They look down at hindus and buddhist.

That certainly sounds a lot worse than looking down on someone. Calling something an existential threat requires a lot of hatred.

Its funny he thinks Trump is a conservative christian in the first place. Trump is a populist first and foremost that latched onto this base (among other bases) because direction-wise it is quite clear how to sustain momentum on any given "point scoring" agenda rather than having to meander in and out of all the issues and be another dull figurehead sort.

Trump is an equal opportunity offender largely, its clear he has no real directed hate against "Hindus, Buddhists, East Asians blah blah".... Radical Islam (and to large degree illegal esp hispanic immigrants) is just crystallised enough (more on a cultural level rather than theological level) that again it plays into his expedient populism strategy among his base and near-base and increasingly past his base.

Anyway topcat is the kind of guy that wants the world to mould to his perspective rather than let the world shape his perspective....its largely futile discussing such topics with him.

Yeah that seems pretty obvious, at point he says "I think Islam hates us" and at another point he calls it "one of the world's great faiths"

 

[Banglar Bir]

07:15 PM, December 01, 2017 / LAST MODIFIED: 09:51 PM, December 01, 2017
Pope calls refugees 'Rohingya' after emotional meeting in Dhaka

Pope Francis attends an inter-religious conference at St Mary’s Cathedral in Dhaka, December 1, 2017. Reuters
AFP, Dhaka
Pope Francis referred to refugees who have fled Myanmar for Bangladesh as "Rohingya" on Friday, using the politically sensitive name for the persecuted minority for the first time on an Asia tour dominated by their plight after meeting some of them in Dhaka.
In a brief but strongly worded speech that followed an emotional encounter with a small group of the refugees who have fled to Bangladesh, he asked for forgiveness for all that the Rohingya have suffered "in the face of the world's indifference".

"Today the presence of God is also called Rohingya," the pope said on the sidelines of a gathering with the leaders of different faiths in Dhaka.

"Your tragedy is very hard, very great, but it has a place in our hearts. In the name of all those who have persecuted you, who have harmed you, in the face of the world's indifference, I ask for your forgiveness."

More than 620,000 Rohingya have flooded into Bangladesh in the last three months, fleeing a violent military crackdown in mainly Buddhist Myanmar that the United Nations has described as ethnic cleansing.

Among those the pope met was Shawkat Ara, a 12-year-old Rohingya orphan who broke down in tears shortly after the pope spoke to her and gently touched her head.

"My parents were killed. I don’t have any joy," she told AFP, saying she had lost her entire family in an attack by the military in Myanmar.

Pope Francis is known for championing the rights of refugees and has repeatedly expressed his support for the Rohingya, a persecuted Muslim minority whom he has described as his "brothers and sisters".

But the usually forthright pontiff walked a diplomatic tightrope during his four days in Myanmar -- the first ever papal visit to the country -- avoiding any direct reference to the ethnic cleansing allegations in public while appealing to Buddhist leaders to overcome "prejudice and hatred".

Hours after arriving in Bangladesh he addressed the issue head-on, calling for "decisive" international measures to address the "grave crisis".

But as in Myanmar, he avoided using the term "Rohingya", drawing criticism from some rights activists and refugees.

The word is politically sensitive in mainly Buddhist Myanmar because many there refuse to see the Rohingya as a distinct ethnic group.

- Religious freedom -
The 80-year-old Roman Catholic leader has frequently sought to influence a world he sees as indifferent to the plight of refugees forced to leave their homelands, whether through poverty or conflict.

Last year he took three Syrian families, all Muslim, back to the Vatican after visiting them on the Greek island of Lesbos, a hotspot for asylum seekers.

He has praised Bangladesh for giving refuge to the Rohingya, who have brought with them stories of horrific abuse at the hands of the Myanmar military and local Buddhist mobs, including rape, arson and murder.

Earlier the pope led a giant open-air mass in Dhaka attended by around 100,000 Bangladeshi Catholics who sang hymns in Bengali and chanted "viva il papa" ("long live the pope") as he was driven through the crowd in an open-sided popemobile.

Bangladesh has a tiny Christian population but they turned out in large numbers for Friday's service, many having queued for hours to get into the park.

Some 4,000 police and security forces were deployed for the mass in the mainly Muslim country, which has suffered a number of attacks on religious minorities by Islamist extremists in recent years.

"I feel like I am blessed to join the Pope's prayers," said 60-year-old widow Pronita Mra, who had travelled from her village in northeastern Bangladesh.

"I'll pray for my late husband and parents so that they go to heaven. I hope the Pope will pray for peace and harmony among all communities in Bangladesh."

Christians make up less than 0.5 percent of officially secular Bangladesh's population of 160 million and community leaders say it has become more difficult to practise their faith openly.

But speaking to Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu leaders, Francis praised the country's commitment to religious freedom, which he said "stands as a subtle yet firm rebuke to those who would seek to foment division, hatred and violence in the name of religion".
http://www.thedailystar.net/city/dh...s-refugees-prays-their-return-myanmar-1499128